JV talks, sort of

[Ferminal]

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Set the Wayback Machine to 2006. JV made a tentative offer to Floyd Landis to join Slipstream for a huge dollar figure. The understanding between JV and Floyd was that Floyd would continue doing what he was doing. To fund the contract, JV intended to enlist the help of the so-called Champions Club. He gave a presentation to the club members at that year's Tour de France, and there he lied to them about Landis being clean despite knowing that Floyd was doping and would continue to do so if he rode for Slipstream. The deal was scuppered by Floyd testing positive.

I guess old mate was lucky then that CVV (or Lim) was quite experienced in the Floyd program?

 

[TourOfSardinia]

Radio silence on Tom D.'s B sample

 

[Dear Wiggo]

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Radio silence on Tom D.'s B sample

 

[Benotti69]

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Radio silence on Tom D.'s B sample

If JV keeps silent, Tygart keps silent and Tom D keeps silent they are hoping it might go away and since JV dropped TD. he is hoping to get to 2016 and then he can fob it off and say TD is no longer with TeamJV.

 

[Benotti69]

What does a 37year old rider need coaching from a former pro who doped his whole career?

Tom D being coached by Leipheimer. That, imo, points to one thing. Not surprised really JVs clean team was always PR.

It also points to this sport never cleaning up with the old always being involved in the sport. Leipheimer, Hincapie, VdV, Basso sand JV are all guys who made good and a lot of money from their cheating. What does a young rider think looking at these guys? *** no way i'll dope! Yeah sure.

 

[fmk_RoI]

Why do Garmindale riders have to pay for their own personal coaches: Danielson with Leipheimer, Hesjedal with Millar? Doesn't the team have coaching staff?

 

[Benotti69]

Best to use guys with a long experience of bloodbags........

 

[the sceptic]

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Radio silence on Tom D.'s B sample

at least JV has been exposed as a snake oil salesman once and for all.

 

[Benotti69]

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Radio silence on Tom D.'s B sample

at least JV has been exposed as a snake oil salesman once and for all.

Yep when we said he and the team was gone from the sport if they had a positive and yet he is still here selling snakeoil.

I expect JV to use the "done too much good for too many people" line or similar in the future.

 

[Benotti69]

worth posting here from Danielson thread

And going back to JV and what was known officially and unofficially. I'd clean forgot the statement from the team:

“Tom Danielson notified Slipstream Sports that he was informed by USADA that he has returned an adverse analytical A sample using carbon isotope testing. In accordance with Slipstream Sports’ zero tolerance anti-doping policy, he has been suspended from competition, effective immediately. He awaits the results his B sample. Slipstream respects and will adhere to the process of the anti-doping authorities and will not comment further.”

Compare that with what JV told VN:

“The amount of official information that I have is very small,” Vaughters said. “I was never officially informed by USADA that he tested positive. I haven’t been informed by the UCI, either. I have no idea where the B sample is or isn’t. Not a clue. I don’t know if Tom is taking the case to arbitration. From an official standpoint, the only thing I know is that on August 3, Tom Danielson tweeted that he had tested positive for synthetic testosterone. When I called [USADA general counsel] Bill Bock, he confirmed that there had been an adverse A.”

Well spotted Fmk

 

[42x16ss]

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Why do Garmindale riders have to pay for their own personal coaches: Danielson with Leipheimer, Hesjedal with Millar? Doesn't the team have coaching staff?

Not necessarily. At WT level all a coach should really need to do is tweak an athletes plan and make the 50-50 decisions for them in terms of training load and periodisation. Those guys are just getting mates who know them well to do it.

I'm not condoning it, as there's probably some sourcing/supply/advice going on but it's understandable.

 

[Jacques de Molay]

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Compare that with what JV told VN:

“The amount of official information that I have is very small,” Vaughters said. “I was never officially informed by USADA that he tested positive. I haven’t been informed by the UCI, either. I have no idea where the B sample is or isn’t. Not a clue. I don’t know if Tom is taking the case to arbitration. From an official standpoint, the only thing I know is that on August 3, Tom Danielson tweeted that he had tested positive for synthetic testosterone. When I called [USADA general counsel] Bill Bock, he confirmed that there had been an adverse A.”

Well spotted Fmk

Wasn't the bolded part missing from the original VN article?

Read that paragraph again without the bolded section. Seems like a contradiction when it's added, no?

 

[Jacques de Molay]

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Set the Wayback Machine to 2006. JV made a tentative offer to Floyd Landis to join Slipstream for a huge dollar figure. The understanding between JV and Floyd was that Floyd would continue doing what he was doing. To fund the contract, JV intended to enlist the help of the so-called Champions Club. He gave a presentation to the club members at that year's Tour de France, and there he lied to them about Landis being clean despite knowing that Floyd was doping and would continue to do so if he rode for Slipstream. The deal was scuppered by Floyd testing positive.

How has this claim not gained any traction?

Delicious if true, but is there any sort of corroboration that this scenario unfolded as described?

Source? Link? Anything at all?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

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Set the Wayback Machine to 2006. JV made a tentative offer to Floyd Landis to join Slipstream for a huge dollar figure. The understanding between JV and Floyd was that Floyd would continue doing what he was doing. To fund the contract, JV intended to enlist the help of the so-called Champions Club. He gave a presentation to the club members at that year's Tour de France, and there he lied to them about Landis being clean despite knowing that Floyd was doping and would continue to do so if he rode for Slipstream. The deal was scuppered by Floyd testing positive.

How has this claim not gained any traction?

Delicious if true, but is there any sort of corroboration that this scenario unfolded as described?

Source? Link? Anything at all?

Not proof at all but an interesting quote:

Several of Mr. Landis's former teammates have come to his defense. Jonathan Vaughters, a Tour de France veteran, said he spoke to Mr. Landis yesterday and believes the testing system has failed. Mr. Vaughters said any number of factors, from Mr. Landis's alcohol consumption, to the regular cortisone shots he was receiving for his injured hip, to his exhaustion from the stage before must have contributed to the "perfect storm" that caused the positive test. He noted that Mr. Landis had taken several tests during the Tour as a leader and stage winner and passed them.

"The Tour de France is finally cleaned up," Mr. Vaughters said. "Floyd won a clean race and now he's going to get hosed. It's just really unjust."

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB115410108601920455

 

[Jacques de Molay]

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Not proof at all but an interesting quote:

Very interesting!

JV is as JV does. Absolutely classic.


Btw, who the hell are "Mr. Landis" and "Mr. Vaughters"?
I thought they were maybe referring to a different sport or something.

Mr. Ricco and Mr. Rasmussen will certainly be entertained by JV's quote.

The Tour was clean by 2006! Yet his own soon-to-be squad, by their own admission, were still at it.

That's some serious pretzel logic right there.

 

[blackcat]

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gees JV talks some sheit dont he, you think now he will have finally realised that with the internets and going on the record it is quite simple to triangulate the conflicts in his testimony. I always go back to the Roger Legeay ones, because they are the first I remember, and the first that I believed in, then sought to get a confirmation or refutation by triangulating it on-the-record, and could only find ambiguity and JV contradicting himself over and over agian, plus those technological instrument errors time and time again at the most inconvonvenient and suspicious of times.

edit: I think the term is machine calibration error MCE acronym

Not proof at all but an interesting quote:

Several of Mr. Landis's former teammates have come to his defense. Jonathan Vaughters, a Tour de France veteran, said he spoke to Mr. Landis yesterday and believes the testing system has failed. Mr. Vaughters said any number of factors, from Mr. Landis's alcohol consumption, to the regular cortisone shots he was receiving for his injured hip, to his exhaustion from the stage before must have contributed to the "perfect storm" that caused the positive test. He noted that Mr. Landis had taken several tests during the Tour as a leader and stage winner and passed them.

"The Tour de France is finally cleaned up," Mr. Vaughters said. "Floyd won a clean race and now he's going to get hosed. It's just really unjust."

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB115410108601920455

Very interesting!

JV is as JV does. Absolutely classic.


Btw, who the hell are "Mr. Landis" and "Mr. Vaughters"?
I thought they were maybe referring to a different sport or something.

Mr. Ricco and Mr. Rasmussen will certainly be entertained by JV's quote.

The Tour was clean by 2006! Yet his own soon-to-be squad, by their own admission, were still at it.

That's some serious pretzel logic right there.

 

[blackcat]

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Mr. Ricco and Mr. Rasmussen will certainly be entertained by JV's quote.

The Tour was clean by 2006! Yet his own soon-to-be squad, by their own admission, were still at it.

That's some serious pretzel logic right there.

they stopped doping in 06

the statute of regulations regulated<verb> so

 

[danielovichdk2]

hehe

 

[Irondan]

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hehe

Johan................ &#128528

 

[Semper Fidelis]

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hehe

PWNED.

 

[thehog]

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hehe

Johan................ &#128528

Maybe JV wasn't as clean after USPS as he makes claim...

 

[Benotti69]

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hehe

Johan................ &#128528

Maybe JV wasn't as clean after USPS as he makes claim...

no maybes, then or now......

 

[Irondan]

Lance made me do it!!

 

[42x16ss]

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hehe

F$%K ME that is epic.

Could this be the start of Bruyneel going nuclear

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I am as happy as the next person to out JV as a BS artist, but I am a messy person and yet when I leave a place, I clean it out.

I cannot buy the idea that any doper leaves doping refuse lying around in an apartment they have vacated.

Just does not gel. I don't think JV is as smart as most other people seem to think either, but this is a level of dumb I can't agree with.