JV talks, sort of

[DirtyWorks]

Since you're outing people, who's Race Radio? I only know his first name.

John Swanson

John, I respect your contributions here but, please don't pursue this. The anonymity is best for all regardless of their role in elite cycling.

Congrats on finishing b school JV. I hope you put the training to good use.

 

[blackcat]

In addition to my previous answer, to more precisely address your answer of "what makes me think he told authorities the truth?" Pretty simple: Why wouldn't he? The agreement he signed basically said "tell the truth and you get 6 mos, tell a lie and we catch you, lifetime ban" ....So, by default it would be really stupid not to tell the full truth. In for a dime, in for a dollar.

I assume one needs to sign something when they take a urine drug test and put the seal over the two jars?

now, mebbe specifically (gees this is bad grammar, lemme try again)
p'raps this can be interpreted as an imprimatur and an assertion of truth. Every **** test one takes, every signature, this is a specific truth?

if one tells a lie, is one only lying to themself?

I think the question should be, why would he (now tell the truth).

who would he tell the truth, when the pattern of behaviour that doping imposes is an existence of continued lies.

 

[sniper]

Thanks. Did not realize that.

of course you didn't.
meanwhile one of your your usual responses to uncomfortable questions/comments is to point out the anonimity of the messengers.

4. Our team is and always has been 100% clean - and will remain that way. That statement can withstand any level of scrutiny and I look forward to standing in front of God himself and saying the same thing.

Honestly, how can you know? At best this suggests you're not a very catholic man.

My good fellow, I don't like those guys any more than you do, but I don't have any bullets that kill them.

I think Benotti's point is not that you should kill them, but that there's a good possibility that the cyclists under their tutelage (such as Wiggins under Leinders) are not as clean as you think. It should concern you, but instead you seem to promote the idea that former dopers are the right people to rebuild clean cycling.

Belinda Hoare ‏@belinda8888 20 Feb 2013
@Vaughters No better people to rebuild a clean sport than those who have 1st-hand knowledge of not only the stains, but how they got there.

Jonathan Vaughters ‏@Vaughters 20 Feb 2013
@belinda8888 thank you. You should tell that to @psych_ling.

Well, i do like Cookson.

it's slightly disappointing to not see you concerned about how things are at UCI. Zorzoli handing out emergency TUEs to Sky should be of major concern to you. It should be a friggin wake up call.
If you've dedicated your life to anti-doping, that is.

It's interesting. A Dutch newspaper claims your Garmin riders are going to get 6 month bans.
You say that is not true now, nor will it be in the future.
September / October (a future date from July 5th) they sign affidavits and get 6 month bans.

Do you find it incredible that a Dutch newspaper knew more about what your team's riders were going to do and the ban they were going to receive (at a future date) than you did?

let's see if it's crickets after this one.

 

[Race Radio]

Since you're outing people, who's Race Radio? I only know his first name.

Yup, its Race

 

[D-Queued]

Yup, its Race

Damn, I got to this thread too late and missed that gimme.

Dave.

 

[Benotti69]

Yep. That was true on the day i said it. It changed later. life's a ****er.

this attitude is what comes across as "yep we dope, but we are smart dopers, we do our own internal testing, we know the limits, we know how not to test positive, we play the shystem and that is what we do ****ers"...

You JV, come across as someone who thinks the sport was ok before EPO and you want it back at that level, doping wise, but it wasn't ok before epo.

 

[ScienceIsCool]

Yup, its Race

I know, right? I'm totally stumped by the last one though. Is it Smith?

My point is that it's not okay for JV to selectively play by the rules (of the forum) and out one of the "little people" just because he angry and he can get away with it. It's bullying and it's the kind of thing Lance would do.

I'm betting that if I spilled your identity I'd get a lot of heat for it. But I guess I should be surprised that the forum is run like the UCI. Hey, JV. Maybe donate a server to the CyclingNews IT team and you won't get banned for anything ever.

John Swanson

 

[Race Radio]

I know, right? I'm totally stumped by the last one though. Is it Smith?

My point is that it's not okay for JV to selectively play by the rules (of the forum) and out one of the "little people" just because he angry and he can get away with it. It's bullying and it's the kind of thing Lance would do.

I'm betting that if I spilled your identity I'd get a lot of heat for it. But I guess I should be surprised that the forum is run like the UCI. Hey, JV. Maybe donate a server to the CyclingNews IT team and you won't get banned for anything ever.

John Swanson

JV is not outing anyone, Digger's name was already public due to the Kimmage fund.

 

[ScienceIsCool]

...and your identity is public because of the Papp incident?

John Swanson

 

[Benotti69]

JV is not outing anyone, Digger's name was already public due to the Kimmage fund.

That members dont post under their real names here has no bearing on what they do elsewhere.

MartinVickers who posts on here, a pseudonym, but uses his real name on twitter, when someone posted his twitter name they got banned. Twitter being 'public' social media.

JV is being petty by posting in such a manner and it agains shows the mindset of JV.

 

[Granville57]

I know, right? I'm totally stumped by the last one though. Is it Smith?

That's Mr Radio to you, sir.


Re: JV vs Digger
That's been going back and forth for quite some time. JV has used Digger's first name on multiple occasions in the past both here in The Clinic and on Twitter.

I'm not suggesting that such things should be condoned within the confines of CN forums, but this is hardly the first incident of such between JV and Digger. Evidence of such can easily be found earlier in this very thread.

 

[hrotha]

That members dont post under their real names here has no bearing on what they do elsewhere.

MartinVickers who posts on here, a pseudonym, but uses his real name on twitter, when someone posted his twitter name they got banned. Twitter being 'public' social media.

JV is being petty by posting in such a manner and it agains shows the mindset of JV.

The difference being MartinVicker's Twitter account wasn't already known to belong to the same person. Everybody knows about Digger and the fund, and his name is already out there.

This would be like banning someone for saying "Jonathan" instead of "JV".

 

[Digger]

Regarding jv and him only 'outing' my name after the fund....he can do what he likes.
But this is a tweet from July 2012...when wiggins went on his rant in the press conference during that tour. That was two months before any fund.
@Vaughters: @Digger_forum Karol: It's YOU Wiggo was talking about.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Everybody knows about Digger and the fund, and his name is already out there.

Whilst I mostly agree, I do not think you can rely on everybody knowing about the fund, or linking a name to it, or knowing anything about him long-term.

I think it sets a bad precedent.

 

[sniper]

Regarding jv and him only 'outing' my name after the fund....he can do what he likes.
But this is a tweet from July 2012...when wiggins went on his rant in the press conference during that tour. That was two months before any fund.
@Vaughters: @Digger_forum Karol: It's YOU Wiggo was talking about.

It's childish really (like the quotation marks he started using yesterday after he'd been told not to use your real first name.)
All give aways, imo, in terms of his credibility, which to me is zero (at least when it comes to the larger doping questions).
Vaughters has been denigrating to non-believers from the very start, in here, on twitter,.
That's the complete opposite you would expect if he is the clean crusader he says he is.
Hypocricy levels right up there with Brailsford, Wiggo, and other enablers.
Dedicated his life to anti-doping? My ***.

 

[Netserk]

JV is not outing anyone, Digger's name was already public due to the Kimmage fund.

So El did nothing wrong in your opinion when he outed Dim? Just quoted public information.

 

[IzzyStradlin]

Hey JV, is it weird that Ryder and Dr William Pettis both live in Hawaii now? I mean, I know HI is probably a nice place to live....but does that worry you? Seem a little too close?

 

[Benotti69]

The difference being MartinVicker's Twitter account wasn't already known to belong to the same person. Everybody knows about Digger and the fund, and his name is already out there.

This would be like banning someone for saying "Jonathan" instead of "JV".

Digger's name is out there, but not here, unless he himself uses it, IMO.

JV using it is petty and part of Vaughter's obfuscation to the real story.

 

[stutue]

I think it sets a bad precedent.

Oh I don't know. Vaughters is here using his real name...public...quotable....accountable.....for every single word he says.

It seems people only want transparency as long as it flows in just the one direction.

 

[mrhender]

Oh I don't know. Vaughters is here using his real name...public...quotable....accountable.....for every single word he says.

It seems people only want transparency as long as it flows in just the one direction.

I may be wrong and will surely be corrected if so..
But he himself chose to post here with his real identity up-front...?

This forum is based on the possibility of anonymity right?
If someone decides to reveal their true identity, then fine, but they cannot force this decicion on others.. It has to be your own choice here...

As for transparency, I would argue that it might as well can be transparency with agenda, and that is not necessarily better than anonymity (with or without agenda)......

 

[BYOP88]

Oh I don't know. Vaughters is here using his real name...public...quotable....accountable.....for every single word he says.

It seems people only want transparency as long as it flows in just the one direction.

Just out of interest when you signed up for this account why didn't you use your real name and why are you using an avatar of a guy from Trainspotting?

 

[Digger]

This thing about him saying last night that he didn't know that rule seems odd - he clearly reads on here regularly - he'd have read about me and Martin...and he'd surely have read a few weeks ago, the last time we went at it, when one or two members asked why jv was being allowed use my name.

 

[JV1973]

This thing about him saying last night that he didn't know that rule seems odd - he clearly reads on here regularly - he'd have read about me and Martin...and he'd surely have read a few weeks ago, the last time we went at it, when one or two members asked why jv was being allowed use my name.

It's part of a much greater conspiracy. Clearly.

You still haven't answered my question, "Digger"

Btw - For those of you who think "Digger" outed his name in the Kimmage thing, no.... that was a fake name. He lied. Again. He's too much of a coward to reveal his real name and had a meltdown when someone actually figured out who he was.

The champion of the people and truth: Digger

The paragon of hypocrisy: Digger

 

[JV1973]

Oh I don't know. Vaughters is here using his real name...public...quotable....accountable.....for every single word he says.

It seems people only want transparency as long as it flows in just the one direction.

Brings a whole new element to the table, eh? When you actually have to live with what you've done and said in a public setting...

Transparency is a one way street for the champions of hypocrisy, like Digger and the rest of the anonymous bully gang that reside here.

But that's what this place has become. Unfortunately. At least unfortunately for the posters that I see asking real and pertinent questions.

 

[red_flanders]

It should not be surprising that people who are public figures and make their living as such, in particular in cycling, would use their real name when posting to the forum.

It should not be surprising that users who are not in cycling as a career and who are not public figures, do not post with their real names.

One, they're not relevant. Two there are legitimate safety issues which people would be foolish to ignore.

So this is a lot of horse manure which doesn't get at the point of the thread. Seems dumb to go on about it, unless one is intentionally trying to change the subject and make it about the person instead of the content of their posts.