JV talks, sort of

[Benotti69]

B69, I should have ended my previous post with a

I thought you were sarcastic but added some extra.

 

[Afrank]

I've unstuck this thread, the idea behind stickying it was good in theory but hasn't worked out like it should have in practice. So we can once again use this thread as the main JV discussion thread.

 

[Benotti69]

Spit in the soup @Spitinthesoup · Oct 31

I still can't believe Vaughters didn't do anything to keep Morton.
Hands down the most interesting guy of the peloton

Also kind of weird that a 'clean team' basically says: “Sorry dude, we need results.”

Nothing weird about it at all..........aint that right JV

 

[Arnout]

That's like saying any business that makes money is evil.

 

[Benotti69]

That's like saying any business that makes money is evil.

Dont know how you made that leap?

Is cycling a business or a sport?

Some treat it as a business where everything goes and you do what is needed to win! These guys dont try and sell it as a sport where cheating has no place....but then there are guys like JV who sell us a clean sport but treat it as a business just like the rest.

 

[Granville57]

Spit in the soup @Spitinthesoup · Oct 31

I still can't believe Vaughters didn't do anything to keep Morton.
Hands down the most interesting guy of the peloton

Also kind of weird that a 'clean team' basically says: “Sorry dude, we need results.”

Nothing weird about it at all..........aint that right JV

What's really weird is the way in which that Tweet completely distorts reality.

I’m not really interested in the WorldTour for next season. I told my agent I wasn’t really interested in doing the same thing next year.

Vaughters said that he understood what the rider was going through.

“Lachlan in one form or other has raced with me since he was 16 years old. I am friends with Lachlan’s family. I think he is a great kid. I want to support his career and so on, but with the mentality that he has – and I say that not in a negative sense…it is just Lachlan is a smart guy, he is creative, he is a little bit of a free spirit.”

“He needs to rediscover why he wants to be a professional bike rider. I think if you ask him today, the constraints of the WorldTour, the rigidity of it, the scheduling, the organisation – all of that is really hard for him,” he said.

“I think he is just the guy who likes to go out, ride his bike fast, and just love it because he loves it. But I think he sort of lost that love a little bit in the extreme professionalism of WorldTour.”

“I always believed in his talent” he said. “So if he takes a year away, races for a smaller team and gets the fun and the love back and wants to come back into the WorldTour, I am totally open to that. Without question.”

Not that a random tweet shouldn't be given the same weight, but there was a wonderful little story covering all of this just a couple of months back.
http://cyclingtips.com.au/2014/09/vaughters-morton-needs-to-go-back-and-rediscover-why-he-loves-his-bike/

 

[Benotti69]

What's really weird is the way in which that Tweet completely distorts reality.
Not that a random tweet shouldn't be given the same weight, but there was a wonderful little story covering all of this just a couple of months back.
http://cyclingtips.com.au/2014/09/vaughters-morton-needs-to-go-back-and-rediscover-why-he-loves-his-bike/

I take JV's little stories with a pinch of salt......

 

[Arnout]

Dont know how you made that leap?

Is cycling a business or a sport?

Some treat it as a business where everything goes and you do what is needed to win! These guys dont try and sell it as a sport where cheating has no place....but then there are guys like JV who sell us a clean sport but treat it as a business just like the rest.

No. JV has always maintained that he wants his team to be clean and competitive. Whether you believe his team is clean is irrelevant in this.

I completely fail to see why a clean team should aspire to keep riders they don't need on the payroll? It's you who juxtaposes a clean sport with a business and I can only infer that you think the clean sport is good and the business is bad.

To which I say, being clean or not is unrelated to keeping subpar talents on the team. Isn't the idea of a sport to pitch different teams or individuals against each other in order to see which or who is best? Once you start demanding that teams, in the name of whatever you wanna call it, do not kick out the individual who in their opinion will not help achieve that goal, you're undermining the idea of sport.

But hey, Gran Fondo's are fun too.

 

[Granville57]

I take JV's little stories with a pinch of salt......

Should work well with those margaritas.

Do you seriously give more credence to a random tweet than a Shane Stokes interview, where Lachlan, himself, claims that it was his own decision to leave the team?

 

[Benotti69]

Should work well with those margaritas.

Do you seriously give more credence to a random tweet than a Shane Stokes interview, where Lachlan, himself, claims that it was his own decision to leave the team?

A rider wanting to stay in the sport is hardly going to bad mouth a WT team.

 

[Benotti69]

No. JV has always maintained that he wants his team to be clean and competitive.........

Snakeoil salesman

I completely fail to see why a clean team should aspire to keep riders they don't need on the payroll?

Thomas Dekker

 

[Arnout]

Snakeoil salesman

That's your opinion. It's completely evading my point though and it doesn't defend your notion that clean and business can be juxtaposed like you did.

Thomas Dekker

What?

You think I care about Dekker because of nationality? Think again.

 

[Benotti69]

That's your opinion. It's completely evading my point though and it doesn't defend your notion that clean and business can be juxtaposed like you did.

ot in cycling can it be a successful(wins) business and cleans.

What?

You think I care about Dekker because of nationality? Think again.

Dekker has hardly been a good buy and i fail to see why he has been kept apart from his knowledge of the workings on Rabo.......

 

[Granville57]

A rider wanting to stay in the sport is hardly going to bad mouth a WT team.

How about a talented rider who has zero interest in riding for a WT team?
What is he preserving at that point? (Did you read the interview?)

If Morton starts getting results because he commits himself to winning, and then wanted to return to the World Tour, he'd have teams lining up for him.

Teams want to win.
Sponsors want to win.
Winning riders will get contracts.

A person in his position can say whatever he wants. He doesn't seem to care much either way. That's what gives him his freedom.

 

[simo1733]

ot in cycling can it be a successful(wins) business and cleans.



Dekker has hardly been a good buy and i fail to see why he has been kept apart from his knowledge of the workings on Rabo.......

Dekker is the most believeable reformed doper in the peloton.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Dekker is the most believeable reformed doper in the peloton.

yep and Dekker could even move pretty far up the rankings if all chemicals were removed from the peloton.

 

[Benotti69]

Dekker is the most believeable reformed doper in the peloton.

Or he was using so much on Rabobank that now micro doping is barely keeping him fetching bottles.

 

[Benotti69]

Wonder is JV disappointed that Dr. Emilio Magni is not coming to Garmin with Cannondale and instead is going to Astana......

 

[Granville57]

Wonder is JV disappointed that Dr. Emilio Magni is not coming to Garmin with Cannondale and instead is going to Astana......

So a doping doc not going to JV's team also makes JV look bad?

 

[sniper]

does anybody know who are Garmin's doctors and physiologists at present? Can't find anything on the website.

 

[Benotti69]

So a doping doc not going to JV's team also makes JV look bad?

Nope, just wonder did Astana offer more than Garmin.....or maybe JV's program doesn't need other docs. He has a GT, GT stage wins, and some monuments with current docs

 

[Granville57]

Nope, just wonder did Astana offer more than Garmin...

It would appear to be more related to the reunion between Magli and Nibali. Clean cycling, and all that.

 

[SirLes]

JV has tweeted re Magni

@Vaughters: http://t.co/LF9L7ZtfkB ...love this "chose to leave...."..Yah... Riiiiight....

 

[Benotti69]

JV has tweeted re Magni

@Vaughters: http://t.co/LF9L7ZtfkB ...love this "chose to leave...."..Yah... Riiiiight....

You did not expect JV to say any else did you?

 

[SirLes]

I didn't expect anything really. Thought it might be of interest.