JV1973 Appreciation Society

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Where are you from, Doc?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Where are you from, Doc?

My main address is in Tenerife - at my modest gynecological facility - I do spend a lot of time on the road of course.

Thisis where I reside for most of the year.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Supposin I was actually doing as you claimed. What do you think you are gonna do?

< settles down with sandwich and a beer> ............WTF where is TFF .....what time is showtime?

 

[Hugh Januss]

My main address is in Tenerife - at my modest gynecological facility - I do spend a lot of time on the road of course.

Thisis where I reside for most of the year.

Do you by any chance drive a Ferrari when you are on the road?

 

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Sadly I had to go to google and check out what a "noob" is....
Between this, learning what American Centric is (sortof) and that Lego have Stormtroopers it has been an educational week!

Dang. You reminded me I need to get back on track to my goal of creating 20 urban dictionary entries.

 

[Anonymous]

Supposin I was actually doing as you claimed. What do you think you are gonna do?

Supposin you just stay away from the topic and you'll never know.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

I'm late to the conversation, too darned busy working. Trying to push to get local cyclocross special covered on the tube here when the season starts. Anyone know where BroDeal is? What about BigBoat? Would imagine they'd have some quality input.

Curious to here JV say with a straight face the IM between he and FA was 2nd or 3rd hand info he didn't honestly believe was completely true.

I'd also like to think if he thinks the omerta is still in place in cycling, and if his riders knew another rider was doping, and winning as a result, they'd keep their mouth shut about it, or actually speak up about it.

I'd like to know if JV really thinks the peloton is clean with a "few bad apples". Also like to know if he feels a U23 rider today could emerge into pro cycling today, and be competitive at the highest level of the sport his entire career, on bread and water.

Maybe more riders are clean than I envision. Maybe CVV and BW are two of them, and all of Garmin is clean. I hope so. I may not be as "jaded" as BC, but I refused to believe that Kohl was an anomaly and lying. JV's honest interest in cleaning up the sport, and having the moxie to come on here is cool, but when scandal after scandal happens over and over, I can't look away.

 

[blackcat]

jaded lol.

JV loses credibility on the Contador assertion. Sorry. Good faith in anti-doping would inquire to Werner Franke. Not to drop the guy in it, publicly, cos that would be poor diplomacy and counter-intuitive expediency. But atleast to get the other side on Puerto. That is good faith.

Wiggins could not get over a speed bump, and the only GT he makes a classification ride his aim, his crit goes up, albeit only one point. So, lets see at Cofidis, FDJ, CA, and Columbia, what his crit did in previous GTs. Has it ever gone up?

(using license there with hyperbole )

 

[Hugh Januss]

JV's post on that thread....

Uh oh he's baaack. Thank-you, I think everybody has read those. See what they are trying to do now is work out how much of it they believe. Certainly someone like you who has said that it is ok to lie under oath if it serves the greater good does not believe everything that they are told?

 

[Hugh Januss]

The point is Blackcat appeared not to have read it:



It turns out Wiggins crit also did go up a notch, at the same time in the tour, in the last Grand tour he was in, only that time he had deliberately eased off in the last week to save himself for the Tof, so it clearly wasn't for doping reasons. This confirms he did not dope - it's just his nature response.

Blackcat should be more careful he is wants to have a shred of credibility with people involved in the sport.

Or did he mean from before this year, back when he was pack meat? If you would just try to puzzle these things through on your own maybe you wouldn't have to bother the whole class with them.
It's hard but really try to think with your whole brain.

 

[blackcat]

The point is Blackcat appeared not to have read it:



It turns out Wiggins crit also did go up a notch, at the same time in the tour, in the last Grand tour he was in, only that time he had deliberately eased off in the last week to save himself for the Tof, so it clearly wasn't for doping reasons. This confirms he did not dope - it's just his nature response.

Blackcat should be more careful he is wants to have a shred of credibility with people involved in the sport.

oh, I don't care about the Giro. That was the first race he showed he could hang uphill.

I want to see how he goes when he is in the autobus. IE, the previous Tours and Giros.

I want to know why Wiggins is the only rider whose crit rises naturally in a GT.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Even if he did, he already has this informion from Vaughters and therefore would have no need to ask the question about his crit.

If you meant information, no I don't think we have seen anything from before this year.

 

[blackcat]

has there been an accurate study of Wiggins over a GT when he has been pack fodder in the autobus.

Said before, don't deny Wiggins competing on equal terms with Contador and Armstrong. And he is not getting as much intra-Tour recovery help at the other two.

But I just dont like spin and myth. It actually hurts the clean guys, by putting this result as the benchmark, when it is a fraudulent benchmark.

 

[blackcat]

If you meant information, no I don't think we have seen anything from before this year.

Hugh, actually, Wiggins released blood values, from his past. But, yes, you are right, we have never seen his crit prior to a GT, and on the final stage. That is what I want.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Hugh, actually, Wiggins released blood values, from his past. But, yes, you are right, we have never seen his crit prior to a GT, and on the final stage. That is what I want.

Yeah, thanks. "Anything" was a gross oversimpification. Sorry!

 

[Hugh Januss]

I'm sure that is nonsense - other tests on the rest day probably showed similar tiny movements. The Giro is instructive since after his crit notched up, he actually starting performing worse. Why would he dope in order to perform worse? Indeed, the same thing happened in the tour - he got dropped by Lance for the first time AFTER the rest day.

There is nothing more to say. We have the answers.

I think I have read that some guys after they "top up" actually go worse for a day or so until everything kind of gets back on trackIs that so or did I imagine reading it (I'm old, I forget stuff).

 

[blackcat]

But there was neither a jump or a massive dip in performance through the rest of the week, and he again was dropped on the Mont Ventoux by the other GC guys. He was just fading abit, like most people thought he would, as the tour neared the end, but there was no massive blow up. Just wasn't quite good enough this year.

Most experts think his profile is amongst the cleanest, which is why Cycling news gave it such prominents...
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wiggins-values-point-to-cleaner-peloton

As JV says, other values would have likely changed in a doping profile...

Ashenden says you can beat the passport. He can show you on one side of one 2 inch by 2 inch post-it note

 

[blackcat]

BPC, you really should be working in Washington or Tel Aviv as the propagandist par excellence.

You should be able to pick up a job on K-Street or the State Dep't. You really have a talent that should not be let wasted. It is your calling

 

[Hugh Januss]

But there was neither a jump or a massive dip in performance through the rest of the week, and he again was dropped on the Mont Ventoux by the other GC guys. He was just fading abit, like most people thought he would, as the tour neared the end, but there was no massive blow up. Just wasn't quite good enough this year.

Most experts think his profile is amongst the cleanest, which is why Cycling news gave it such prominents...
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wiggins-values-point-to-cleaner-peloton

As JV says, other values would have likely changed in a doping profile...

Oh, I would really like to believe that BW is totally clean and CVV as well, heck I raced with his dad. But in the face of all the evidence I find myself falling into the "really hard to convince" category. Better that than the "really easy to fool" category.

 

[Hugh Januss]

I don't think your political views about various governments and countries are relevant to this forum.

Oh go ahead accept the compliment and move on.

 

[Race Radio]

Ashenden says you can beat the passport. He can show you on one side of one 2 inch by 2 inch post-it note

Yes, But BanProCycling has stated that all questions have been answered, there is nothing to see here, please move along.....round up the usual suspects.

 

[blackcat]

I don't think your political views about various governments and countries are relevant to this forum.

ahhh, but they are, they are. They are context and anology, how your behaviour on this forum has parallel in power politics. No one brings out spin like yours from a naked platform. It started with Bernays, and no we have Armstrong tweets, and fools like you.

 

[Anonymous]

Ah Haaaa

It just occured to me that BPC is actually LA. It explains a lot.

 

[blackcat]

the reason he chose Ban Pro Cycling as a handle, because if we had a campaign to ban Ban Pro Cycling, it is a double negative and neutralises the movement.

 

[Anonymous]

the reason he chose Ban Pro Cycling as a handle, because if we had a campaign to ban Ban Pro Cycling, it is a double negative and neutralises the movement.

Yep. The complete nonsense is the giveaway.