Kimmage unleashes hell, counter-sues Verbruggen & McQuaid

[sniper]

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...tion-against-Kimmage-Verburggen-persists.aspx

McQuaid comes to his senses and drops out......Verburggen continues.

Yet more evidence that Hein has completely lost his mind

ffs, what an epic bunch of clowns.

 

[ScienceIsCool]

I'm surprised I haven't been apologized to already...

I'm sorry. Are you quite alright?

John Swanson

 

[hiero2]

I'd say that Arcade Fire swing back the suck in that direction and make Canada quite unforgivable.

I mean, sh!t, even the Weakerthans hate Winnipeg

Hmm. Lookee this. Chewie, I am beginning to recognize a particular expression of the artful side of trolling. In the flesh, so to speak, even the corporeal identities have no reality here, other than as drivers for the keyboard. I'm sure you understand.

I'd long held misgivings, but now - well let's just say I have seen the light.

Cheerio, bro. Good luck on the bars. I don't think you will need any luck, tho, you are, imo, an honorary graduate of the college of Sophis.

H

 

[hiero2]

ffs, what an epic bunch of clowns.

Hein, McQuaid? The C-whatever-it-is? Or the posters on CN? You have a one-size-fits-all expression there, mate.

 

[RobbieCanuck]

I'd say that Arcade Fire swing back the suck in that direction and make Canada quite unforgivable.

I mean, sh!t, even the Weakerthans hate Winnipeg

Chewie, those are fighting words. I grew up in Winterpeg.

I doubt the Weakerthans hate the Peg, because the they belong to a rich history of great musicians launched in Winnipeg such as Neil Young, Randy Bachman, Burton Cummings, Lenny Breau and Chantelle Kreviazik to name a few.

You can say what you want but most Peggers present or former do not forsake their home town. We ain't as polite as we appear to real or perceived slights!

 

[proffate]

Chewie, those are fighting words. I grew up in Winterpeg.

I doubt the Weakerthans hate the Peg, because the they belong to a rich history of great musicians launched in Winnipeg such as Neil Young, Randy Bachman, Burton Cummings, Lenny Breau and Chantelle Kreviazik to name a few.

You can say what you want but most Peggers present or former do not forsake their home town. We ain't as polite as we appear to real or perceived slights!

I believe he was referencing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLlsjEP7L-k

 

[RobbieCanuck]

I believe he was referencing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLlsjEP7L-k

Thanks for the reference. If the song is a parody then I am on board.

If the Weakerthans are wanting us to take the lyrics seriously or at face value then it is a very cynical song and I am very disappointed in them. It could apply to any City.

The Guess Who hardly suck, the Jets are 9 - 3 in their last 12 games and the Golden Boy cannot see the North End (where I admit there is some very serious social issues).

Maybe Kimmage could write an expose on the Weakerthans

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Hmm. Lookee this. Chewie, I am beginning to recognize a particular expression of the artful side of trolling. In the flesh, so to speak, even the corporeal identities have no reality here, other than as drivers for the keyboard. I'm sure you understand.

I'd long held misgivings, but now - well let's just say I have seen the light.

Cheerio, bro. Good luck on the bars. I don't think you will need any luck, tho, you are, imo, an honorary graduate of the college of Sophis.

H

Here's what I appreciate: I love it when I can't tell if I'm being insulted or not.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

I'm sorry. Are you quite alright?

John Swanson

Peachy now.

 

[MarkvW]

Thanks for the reference. If the song is a parody then I am on board.

If the Weakerthans are wanting us to take the lyrics seriously or at face value then it is a very cynical song and I am very disappointed in them. It could apply to any City.

The Guess Who hardly suck, the Jets are 9 - 3 in their last 12 games and the Golden Boy cannot see the North End (where I admit there is some very serious social issues).

Maybe Kimmage could write an expose on the Weakerthans

Anybody who thinks that the Guess Who suck has already had his brains sucked out of his poopy little head.

 

[manafana]

How is Hein not in a prison is beyond me given all the stuff their is evidence he has done, wouldn't you know he is part of the IOC, and very close to our own Pat Hickie too all guys who would sell their mum for a pocket watch.

 

[DirtyWorks]

How is Hein not in a prison is beyond me

You need to get in his situation. A Dutch guy living and sometimes working in a country with a very permissive regulatory framework, and most likely committing white collar crimes across borders on any given day.

At any given moment, criminal jurisdiction alone would be a huge puzzle for someone to sort out and no country wants to spend resources testing, or for that matter, drawing the ire of the IOC.

For example, who would prosecute a bribe from Japan (keirin) transferred to Switzerland(?) to a guy that is not a Swiss citizen. What crime is committed when you demand a country agree to relax anti-doping law as a part of an Olympic bid? (Paris)

 

[RobbieCanuck]

I think this case Kimmage ./. UCI will lead to nothing, he can´t be successful, UCI are not stupid, they likely have done everything in the past to make sure there is no evidence for anything. In court, evidence is what is needed, and Kimmage doesn´t have more than speculation, hearsays and so on.

OK, it rises pressure on "McVerbruggen", but if they stand together, and UCI commitees do so, Kimmage won´t influence UCI internal things.

Testimony under oath by witnesses in a court of law is called evidence if it is relevant, not hearsay and has probative value. Kimmage and his witnesses get on the stand and tell it like it was. It is a fairly simple process.

If you need documentary evidence you subpoena it and again subject to the basic rule it becomes evidence.

I don't understand how so many in this Forum don't understand the basic concept of evidence. It is not rocket science.

Kimmage is not suing the UCI but rather Phat and Verb.

 

[86TDFWinner]

Speaking of Kimmage, is his book "Rough Ride" worth checking out?

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Speaking of Kimmage, is his book "Rough Ride" worth checking out?

Def. worth a read (as is Breaking the Chain by Willy Voet if you haven't already).

Someone posted this a little while back:

https://soundcloud.com/an-irishman-abroad/episode-8-paul-kimmage

Well worth a listen if you have the time.

 

[Race Radio]

Court Order required Aaron Brown to tell where fund is, how much is in it and other historical data yesterday. He did not. Unless there is some unknown reason why Brown did not comply with the Court Order, Bill Hue will seek a Finding of Contempt.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Court Order required Aaron Brown to tell where fund is, how much is in it and other historical data yesterday. He did not. Unless there is some unknown reason why Brown did not comply with the Court Order, Bill Hue will seek a Finding of Contempt.

Is Senor brown still in Girona?

 

[MarkvW]

Well.... now we know for sure that Aaron Brown's gone with the money. Whoop--de--do.

 

[D-Queued]

Court Order required Aaron Brown to tell where fund is, how much is in it and other historical data yesterday. He did not. Unless there is some unknown reason why Brown did not comply with the Court Order, Bill Hue will seek a Finding of Contempt.

Still blows my mind that Bill is on 'our side' now.

Dave.

 

[Race Radio]

Is Senor brown still in Girona?

I don't think so but if you see him please let him know some property management folks there would like to get in touch with him

 

[mewmewmew13]

Still blows my mind that Bill is on 'our side' now.

Dave.

My mind is getting boggled from the years of Lance pitchforking..
was this guy on 'Lance love' in the past? pretty sure I remember this name but can't put a finger on it..

 

[frenchfry]

My mind is getting boggled from the years of Lance pitchforking..
was this guy on 'Lance love' in the past? pretty sure I remember this name but can't put a finger on it..

Bill was a conspiracy theorist with the Trust but Verify gang who sided with Floyd. He has some very unpleasant things to say about the lab technicians at LNDD which left me wondering how he could actually be a judge while lacking any kind of objective thought process.

 

[D-Queued]

Bill was a conspiracy theorist with the Trust but Verify gang who sided with Floyd. He has some very unpleasant things to say about the lab technicians at LNDD which left me wondering how he could actually be a judge while lacking any kind of objective thought process.

In providing strong vocal support for the FFF, as well as the attempts to rescind/limit/withdraw funding for USADA, demonstrated that he was not above promoting an obvious fraud.

Dave.

 

[MarkvW]

In providing strong vocal support for the FFF, as well as the attempts to rescind/limit/withdraw funding for USADA, demonstrated that he was not above promoting an obvious fraud.

Dave.

I think that he's a fair-minded man who's very much into procedural fairness. I don't think he promotes obvious fraud. I think he exalts his conception of procedural fairness over practical bicycle antidoping results, though.

Perhaps, in Clinic-speak saying that someone is "not above promoting an obvious fraud" is the same thing as saying "he acted in a manner that I disagree with."

 

[D-Queued]

I think that he's a fair-minded man who's very much into procedural fairness. I don't think he promotes obvious fraud. I think he exalts his conception of procedural fairness over practical bicycle antidoping results, though.

Perhaps, in Clinic-speak saying that someone is "not above promoting an obvious fraud" is the same thing as saying "he acted in a disagreeable manner, to the point of notoriety."

Fixed that.

I can provide a few quotes if you really want to be reminded of the details.

Please recall, though, that the good judge's willingness to identify himself with a clear fraud provided considerable perceived legitimacy to that fraud.

Unlike a Harvard IT guy (Tom Fine), or an Internet dude (DB), the good judge's endorsement carries considerable weight on (pseudo-) legal matters. Moreover, he was not above citing his legal credentials. And, he directly attacked the fundamentals of the anti-doping movement.

Meanwhile Floyd Fleeced Folks, Arnie Baker was involved with Internet hackers and Will Geoghan was intimidating witnesses.

As such, it isn't much of a stretch to suggest that Judge Hue facilitated a fraud.

Dave.