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craig1985

craig1985

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Mrs John Murphy said:
Quite a lot of english speaking journalists give that impression and quite a few fans do too. Which is why BMC, Sky and HTC are able to get away with the **** they pull. There was an article last week (I forget where) which juxtaposed 'squeaky clean HTC' with dirty Saxo. Or the complete free pass that Vaughters is always being given.

You also only need to go and read some of the more mainstream blogs/comment threads in mainstream press to see plenty of fans who have this attitude. The reality is that there are lots of people who look at the passport first before deciding whether they like or dislike a particular rider.

Katusha are no worse than any other team in the peloton when it comes to doping - and I am pretty sure that if they were British, Australian or American they would get a far more favourable press and much more sympathy.
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That's one of things that I hate and I have no idea where it came from. If you ever read Australian cycling journalist Rob Arnold, he is a bigger Cadel fanboy than ACF, at least ACF is open to the idea that perhaps Cadel dopes, while Arnold maintains that he is 100% clean. You can't call HTC clean anyway, in the first year of Bob Stapleton's management two riders tested positive and Gonchar was fired.

Actually two riders who I think are clean(ish) are Italian in Damiano Cunego and Marco Pinotti.
 
D-Queued

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Actually two riders who I think are clean(ish) are Italian in Damiano Cunego and Marco Pinotti.
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For heaven's sake, even the Lanterne Rouge is/was a doper.

Oops, I guess I should have saved that observation for the 'Steve Bauer says there is no doping in cycling thread'

Good grief.:confused:

Dave.
 
craig1985

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For heaven's sake, even the Lanterne Rouge is/was a doper.

Oops, I guess I should have saved that observation for the 'Steve Bauer says there is no doping in cycling thread'

Good grief.:confused:

Dave.
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I don't hold the view that just because you hold a WT contract, that you're clearly a doper. FWIW (and going too OT) I think Cunego was on the juice back in the days when he won his Giro, but judging by his performances in the last couple of years, he has in my view got slower or less successful, and he might actually have some ability as a cyclist. As for Pinotti, it's just a hunch in my view, that with his strong anti doping opinions (saying Basso insulted everybody's intelligence after the '06 Giro, that's just one example), he would look like one rather large hypocrite. And it's not based on that Pinotti speaks very good English either (if he isn't fluent).

I thought the late Xavier Tondó was clean, but he did race in Portugal for the bulk of his career. Probably shouldn't speak ill of the dead either.
 
hrotha

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TourOfSardinia said:
Was it to promote omerta that Katushka insisted on an all Russian team for the TdF this year?
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No it wasn't.

Come on, being Russian doesn't equal being a member of the mob. Their foreign riders are every bit as capable of keeping omertà, just as their Russian riders are equally likely to be actually clean. Kolobnev has been living in Spain for ages, speaks perfect Spanish, his press officer is a hot Spanish lady and most of his training buddies are Spanish. He's not in the KGB.
 
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Katusha's TdF squad had training camp in highland.

As we see this was not a benefit for their form.

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I don't know if this was talked here, but in russian press just before this positive of Kolobnev was a little scandal.

As we know, Team Katusha was based on pro-conti team 'Tinkoff Credit Systems'.

Owner of the team 'Tinkoff Credit Systems' Oleg Tinkov 3 years ago leaved cycling after transition of the team.

And now on his blog on Livejournal he accused Andrei Tchmil, that he failed everything in Katusha. He declared thar TCS Team had more number of wins with 10 times lower budget. In several hours Katusha's PRs prepared response press relise.

Tcmil never was so close to failure.


Links on this topic:

1. Post in blog of Tinkov is here (in russian, but google translate in help) http://olegtinkov.livejournal.com/162526.html

2. Response to accusation is here (also in russian) http://www.katushateam.com/2011/pyc/main.php?mod=news&m=07&n=731
 
craig1985

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hrotha said:
No it wasn't.

Come on, being Russian doesn't equal being a member of the mob. Their foreign riders are every bit as capable of keeping omertà, just as their Russian riders are equally likely to be actually clean. Kolobnev has been living in Spain for ages, speaks perfect Spanish, his press officer is a hot Spanish lady and most of his training buddies are Spanish. He's not in the KGB.
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Pics?

Grabs coat.
 
hrotha

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craig1985 said:
Pics?

Grabs coat.
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Galic Ho

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they are on the same the AFL players are, the "exercise in a pill" gear, that gets their metabolism up and strips every millimeter of non-functional body mass (in Wigans case, his brain is shrinking too) so you even so Thor Hushovd leaner than he has every been, and losing his cheeks, and Thor aint your Jacky Durand type.

All elite athletes in any sport now are leaner than they ever have been, because in most sports, besides >200 metre swimming, being leaner and smaller for the functional body mass and strength is better, because of the power/weight. Only think about low bodyfat% is the vulnerability to sickness and their health. But on the park, 1kg/2lbs less, at same strength, is usually better.
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Agree. Power to weight means a big advantage if the numbers are on your side. AFL players are a lot leaner, but our Rugby League guys are the most noticeable. There use to be a lot of big mean who had higher body fat percentages. Now they are muscle and little extra body fat. I too think Thor is a bit thinner than normal. Well he looks thinner. Maybe he's on Zabriskie's gluten free vegetarian diet? Personally, I've felt stronger at 65-67kg than I did when I was 63kg and below. More muscle mass.

When I was 65-67kg I was actually thinner than when I was 63kg. However there was a limit to when I felt slightly weaker...but that was upper body strength. 67kg and doing all round body resistance training I was a bit stronger upper body wise. Got down to 65kg and my cardio felt much higher...then again I was training differently during both weights. However both measurements I was stronger in all regards than when I was 63...but my body fat was 6% at the heavier weights.

Distance swimmers need body fat. Fat is lots more bouyant than functional muscle. Floating high in the water when you are fatigued (non sprint events) is far more important than just pumping out power.

Cheers guys for posting that photo. Lucky *******...well I guess unlucky now. That's one reason to be clean and riding. Seeing her at every race would be definit bonus.
 
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so thats no positives at the tour then. Cycling is clean. Hurrah. The battle is over.
 
craig1985

craig1985

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Luke Schmid said:
Two years is the only punishment
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I agree. I don't think the threat of a life ban will actually stop somebody from doping, people will still try and get ahead. I mean until recently, if somebody was caught doping they were banned for life from completing at the Olympics even when their ban was up, still never stopped people from doping (although you can argue that track cycling side, the Olympics is not the pinnacle for road cyclists). Unless Kolobnev has confessed and named names etc. I don't see why he should get a reduced ban, and I don't think Kolobnev is too high profile in Russia, but could be wrong.

This is almost as farcical as Vino getting banned for a year by the KCF (Kazakhstan Cycling Federation).
 
python

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it’s a weird case and a weird substance.

if wada appeals and his case is anything similar iljo kaisse, he’ll get 2 years.

if otoh, it’s similar to graydon oliver’s, he’ll skate

if his case is similar to guillermo cañas, no one will know for years ….

all 4 cases involved the same ancient diuretic, hydrochlorothiazide, but with vastly different outcomes.

if the above-listed cases can point to anything sound, it’s the mess around interpreting the principle of strict liability

negligence equals doping though doping is very rarely caused by negligence.
 
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UCI Have now confirmed no positives at the Vuelta either.

So the Tour was clean, and now the vuelta was clean. Hurrah :rolleyes:
 
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