Kreuziger going down?

[Poursuivant]

Look forward to the release or blood profile of Froome and the "how to calibrate" e blood spinner documents.

Good times at the UCI independent doping arm! Sounds like a cack!

Lol, you're obsession with Sky is a tinsy bit weird. Every conversation heads in that direction. Are you like this in real life? "Hello hog, what's up?"
"Up? Well the Sky is up. Team Sky. Did I ever tell you that Team sky doped. Froome. Cound. Roll eyes" ad nauseum.

 

[blackcat]

not exactly. remember how Jens and Gan/CreditAg/REogerLegeay, they BURIED their drugs by the side of the rode in98.

they dug them up at some time before 2006. But they only used a small proportion of them.

So they dug another hole, and buried them again.

the drugs are almost run out now, and Jens in 42, and almost retired

just on these holes, surely this will be a riddle for the anthropologists and archeologists on the continent to solve. Why are all these holes in France, and why are these holes full of Edgar.

holes in France = Edgar

atleast motoman never dug a hole. Marvel characters out of LEague of Extraordinary Gentlemen dont dig holes.

 

[blackcat]

Czechoslovakia wasn't in the USSR

client state

 

[Merckx index]

Did it apply to the top 10 of the TdF? No. But that wasn't the question I was being asked.

OK, consider yourself being asked that question now. Or let’s say the top 25 or so of each GT, and of other, shorter stage races, and of major one day races.

Care to make an estimate for then and now?

Also would appreciate your insights on why the long delay in taking action on Kreuziger. Two years?! It doesn’t take that long to build a sanctionable case, and if I understand the story correctly, they haven’t gotten nearly that far yet.

 

[Netserk]

Czechoslovakia wasn't in the USSR

Sorry meant Warsaw pact. All the communists.

 

[froooome]

Lol, you're obsession with Sky is a tinsy bit weird. Every conversation heads in that direction. Are you like this in real life? "Hello hog, what's up?"
"Up? Well the Sky is up. Team Sky. Did I ever tell you that Team sky doped. Froome. Cound. Roll eyes" ad nauseum.

Not normal.

 

[BYOP88]

Sorry meant Warsaw pact. All the communists.

Yugoslavia were 'reds' but weren't part of that pact.

 

[murali]

Don't be silly, all the letters predate the Dauphine.

just look at the dates of the letters. the delay made by UCI to respond indicates foul play.

we have enough corrupt officials in my country. i know corruption when i see one.
I m saying tht this looks like a clean case of corruption.
investigating money trail will prove everything.

the final letter has been send only after the dauphine. i m goin to bet tht it was processed immediately before the last day of TdS in which Kreu performed badly.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

Yugoslavia were 'reds' but weren't part of that pact.

red is red. Better dead than red my friend

 

[Donkey]

All ex-USSR = eastern Europe

then you better pray the so called eastern Europe will help Germany to feed your lazy southern country

 

[murali]

----cut----
Also would appreciate your insights on why the long delay in taking action on Kreuziger. Two years?! It doesn’t take that long to build a sanctionable case, and if I understand the story correctly, they haven’t gotten nearly that far yet.

^^^
Perfect argument.

to file a case in court, they will have to get limitation condoned. its that kind of old case.

 

[hrotha]

just look at the dates of the letters. the delay made by UCI to respond indicates foul play.

we have enough corrupt officials in my country. i know corruption when i see one.
I m saying tht this looks like a clean case of corruption.
investigating money trail will prove everything.

the final letter has been send only after the dauphine. i m goin to bet tht it was processed immediately before the last day of TdS in which Kreu performed badly.

Nope, you're wrong. Here's the timeline:

2013
June 28th - The UCI sends a letter to Kreuziger asking for an explanation for his values.
October 3rd - Kreuziger replies and sends two expert reports.

---HERE BE DRAGONS---

2014
May 30th - The UCI contacts Kreuziger to let him know his explanation has been rejected. A BP process would therefore start at some point. Kreuziger starts working on his defense.
June 6th-15th - Contador beats Froome at Dauphine.
June 14th-22th - Tour de Suisse. Kreuziger starts and finishes because of reasons.
June 28th - Tinkoff-Saxo decides to go public.

So, as you see, you're wrong. You might know corruption when you see it, and there might be corruption at play here, but I would question your ability to see things objectively in this case.

 

[argyllflyer]

OK, consider yourself being asked that question now. Or let’s say the top 25 or so of each GT, and of other, shorter stage races, and of major one day races.

Care to make an estimate for then and now?

Also would appreciate your insights on why the long delay in taking action on Kreuziger. Two years?! It doesn’t take that long to build a sanctionable case, and if I understand the story correctly, they haven’t gotten nearly that far yet.

Dodgy passport results collected in 2011 and 2012. Data taken in early 2013 suggests an issue with the 2011/12 data I assume or jars with his baseline readings. He is notified in mid 2013 of the problem with his data. It is not 2 years. The year's delay since then is accounted for by his own appeal to the initial findings and the UCI's own experts then taking time to consider it - and reject it.

 

[Big Doopie]

Should have nailed him based on the Ferrari links.
Anyway better late than never.

Bingo. We have a winner.

 

[JV1973]

OK, consider yourself being asked that question now. Or let’s say the top 25 or so of each GT, and of other, shorter stage races, and of major one day races.

Care to make an estimate for then and now?

Also would appreciate your insights on why the long delay in taking action on Kreuziger. Two years?! It doesn’t take that long to build a sanctionable case, and if I understand the story correctly, they haven’t gotten nearly that far yet.

2005 top ten TdF? I don't know, but I don't think its 80% clean or anywhere close to that. Maybe the inverse or more!

My point when I said 80-85% clean in 2005, is that there were plenty of guys slogging away in the grupetto clean in 2005. That was not true in 1996. by 2005, it was possible to be a professional cyclist without doping, albeit a mediocre one. In 1996, that was not a possibility, the grupetto would leave you for dead. It was an invisible, but still significant cultural change.

The bio-pass cases go through multiple levels. Computer/regression models first, then panel of 3 expert opinions, after panel of of 11 expert opinions. Each time an opportunity for the athlete to present a defense. It's a long process, but it's not something you'd want to get wrong. Still, it should be streamlined or expedited, I agree.

 

[red_flanders]

I agree. You should contact Pippa and open an investigation. This clearly could hurt the credibility of the Commonwealth.

I'm very open to what you have to say, but in between the silliness there are some legit questions here.

Responses like the above make me far less likely to believe your more thoughtful ones. Which is really too bad.

 

[JV1973]

Nope, you're wrong. Here's the timeline:

2013
June 28th - The UCI sends a letter to Kreuziger asking for an explanation for his values.
October 3rd - Kreuziger replies and sends two expert reports.

---HERE BE DRAGONS---

2014
May 30th - The UCI contacts Kreuziger to let him know his explanation has been rejected. A BP process would therefore start at some point. Kreuziger starts working on his defense.
June 6th-15th - Contador beats Froome at Dauphine.
June 14th-22th - Tour de Suisse. Kreuziger starts and finishes because of reasons.
June 28th - Tinkoff-Saxo decides to go public.

So, as you see, you're wrong. You might know corruption when you see it, and there might be corruption at play here, but I would question your ability to see things objectively in this case.

Thank you, Hrotha.

 

[Walkman]

Nope, you're wrong. Here's the timeline:

2013
June 28th - The UCI sends a letter to Kreuziger asking for an explanation for his values.
October 3rd - Kreuziger replies and sends two expert reports.

---HERE BE DRAGONS---

2014
May 30th - The UCI contacts Kreuziger to let him know his explanation has been rejected. A BP process would therefore start at some point. Kreuziger starts working on his defense.
June 6th-15th - Contador beats Froome at Dauphine.
June 14th-22th - Tour de Suisse. Kreuziger starts and finishes because of reasons.
June 28th - Tinkoff-Saxo decides to go public.

So, as you see, you're wrong. You might know corruption when you see it, and there might be corruption at play here, but I would question your ability to see things objectively in this case.

Good post.

 

[JV1973]

I'm very open to what you have to say, but in between the silliness there are some legit questions here.

Responses like the above make me far less likely to believe your more thoughtful ones. Which is really too bad.

No, there really aren't any legitimate questions in there. There are plenty of poorly thought out and untrue accusations.

Anyhow, sorry to hear you feel that way.

as always, any intelligent questions to me will be answered the best that I can.

 

[Big Doopie]

I just hope Contador doesnt test positive in the tour..

Since you seem only worried that he get caught, I can assume you've given up hope that he would actually be clean.

Lol. Typical clentadopologist.

And they are rampant on these forums.

 

[del1962]

Timeline

Kreuziger worked with Ferrari from late 2006 through 2007

March 2011 until August 2011 and April 2012 until end of Giro

May 16th 2013 Kreuziger admits working with Ferrari

June 2013 UCI notify him of blood anomolies, which he is asked to explain

Kreuziger submits his explanation on 3 October 2013

30 May 2014 gets a letter saying CAFD do not accept his explanation giving him until 9/6/2014 to decide how to proceed.

 

[murali]

Nope, you're wrong. Here's the timeline:

2013
June 28th - The UCI sends a letter to Kreuziger asking for an explanation for his values.
October 3rd - Kreuziger replies and sends two expert reports.

---HERE BE DRAGONS---

2014
May 30th - The UCI contacts Kreuziger to let him know his explanation has been rejected. A BP process would therefore start at some point. Kreuziger starts working on his defense.
June 6th-15th - Contador beats Froome at Dauphine.
June 14th-22th - Tour de Suisse. Kreuziger starts and finishes because of reasons.
June 28th - Tinkoff-Saxo decides to go public.

So, as you see, you're wrong. You might know corruption when you see it, and there might be corruption at play here, but I would question your ability to see things objectively in this case.

You are damn good with dates. now, why dont you try adding processing delays into this.


btw, the repeating of June 28 in the 2 years is purely coincidental, i guess. and the fact that alien is benefitting from this is again a coincidence. then you have this small fact:

Since Roman Kreuziger received the UCI’s letter of 30 May he has sought the services of a third independent expert.

May 30th is the date in letter. not the date of receiving the letter. if kreu had received the letter before TdS, then he wouldn't be in TdS + Majka would be training for TdF by now.

once is chance, twice coincidence, third time is definitely enemy action.
thts why i said, i know it when i see it.

 

[hrotha]

The repeated June 28th date is a sign of a conspiracy, even though June 28th 2014 is the date Tinkoff-Saxo made it public. So I guess they're in the conspiracy too. And I guess that May 30th letter took three weeks to reach Kreuziger.

I give up, murali. You win.

edit - Maybe JV knows about this: are regular mail letters the only venue to deliver news by the UCI, or are they just the official, legally-binding notifications? In other words, would Kreuziger have received an email/phone call immediately?

 

[murali]

its not i win or you win.

this is fishy. and thats all i am saying.

if it seems that too many things are conspiring to work together before a key event, then they are more likely to be true.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Since you seem only worried that he get caught, I can assume you've given up hope that he would actually be clean.

Lol. Typical clentadopologist.

And they are rampant on these forums.

Just go away.