Lance appearing on Oprah next week

[carl spackler]

Penitent is not something LA does

A penitent person is imho is not one who blames the parent for their own bad behavior. .... it starts to be gone when actual money is paid to those who were hurt. And a penitent person does even more, not just the minimum of paying whatever is left after the giant legal team yet again beats up those saying they've been hurt.

I agree with this. Look at the case of Landis, vs Armstrong. Landis is trying to pay back people. Armstrong is trying to not have to pay back people

 

[Page Mill Masochist]

Oprah recorded two-and-a-half hours for a 90-minute interview, which is really about 75 minutes minus the ads. She has twice as much material as she needs.

She can't change what was recorded yesterday, but she can edit what she has as either pro-Lance or anti-Lance.

Oprah is not stupid. She doesn't know cycling, but she can read the universal outpouring of Lance scorn, mockery and hatred from the press.

So my guess is that her team will edit in the direction of anti-Lance. They will look for whatever Marion Jones moments they possess.

The result won't be to the Clinic's satisfaction, but it may not help Lance either.

 

[mountainrman]

There's all manner of give and take in this, though, even at the USADA end of things. Hincapie et al got laughably small bans in exchange for grassing up Armstrong, where their offences on a standalone basis warranted the maximum possible penalty for a first offence.

This is justified (though it is subjective) on the grounds that this is a price worth paying to bring down Armstrong given the severity of his offences. If reducing Armstrong's ban to something short, so that he can get back in Triathlons in a year or so, is the "market price" for information to bring down the UCI, then Travis will have some serious thinking to do. If Lance makes the offer and Travis turns it down then questions would be asked - if only by Lance's fanboys - as to whether Travis's actions were truly impersonal, or whether he was just out to get Lance. Lance may have no further to fall, but Travis certainly has.

Without following through to try and bring down the UCI, then all those free passes just to bust Armstrong is not a good contribution from Travis. If the UCI can be brought down and replaced by a reputable body then there is hope for cycling, and the deals that have been made so far will have been worth it.

It was disgraceful that Travis allowed lifetime doper and lietenant Hincapie to lead the peloton onto the Champs Elysees, knowing he was busted - which incidentally is in breech of agreements with ASO who ask for riders to be withdrawn who are suspected as Hincapie clearly was at the time - he had already withdrawan from the olympics. Nicole Cooke I gather is very unimpressed about what allowing him to ride says to clean riders.

And as for Travis the reports from those present at Denver seem to say Lance came ready to do a deal to agree to dish dirt in exchange for reduction of ban , and Travis refused to deal except at 8 years - no practical difference from a lifetime ban. So Travis already has questions to answer - not least he was saying to the press "not too late to confess" and the opposite behind closed doors.

 

[mountainrman]

UK showing of Lance Interview on Discovery

IMPORTANT MESSAGE FOR THE UK

According to this article http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013/jan/15/lance-armstrong-comes-clean-oprah it is being shown on discovery channel UK - which Sky subscribers have! - I will be recording.

Sky News channel carries some CBS news, and there were snippets of the Tygart interview (no more than on the web) but I have yet to see any advert for the interview in full.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

It was disgraceful that Travis allowed lifetime doper and lietenant Hincapie to lead the peloton onto the Champs Elysees, knowing he was busted - which incidentally is in breech of agreements with ASO who ask for riders to be withdrawan who are suspected as Hincapie was.. Nicole Cooke I gather is very unimpressed about what that says to clean riders.

And as for Travis the reports from those present at Denver seem to say Lance came ready to do a deal to agree to dish dirt in exchange for reduction of ban , and Travis refused to deal except at 8 years - no practical difference from a lifetime ban. So Travis already has questions to answer - not least he was saying to the press "not too late to confess" and the opposite behind closed doors.






.

Who does Travis answer to? From what I can tell he decides what when and where.

 

[skidmark]

It was disgraceful that Travis allowed lifetime doper and lietenant Hincapie to lead the peloton onto the Champs Elysees, knowing he was busted - which incidentally is in breech of agreements with ASO who ask for riders to be withdrawn who are suspected as Hincapie clearly was at the time - he had already withdrawan from the olympics. Nicole Cooke I gather is very unimpressed about what allowing him to ride says to clean riders.

And as for Travis the reports from those present at Denver seem to say Lance came ready to do a deal to agree to dish dirt in exchange for reduction of ban , and Travis refused to deal except at 8 years - no practical difference from a lifetime ban. So Travis already has questions to answer - not least he was saying to the press "not too late to confess" and the opposite behind closed doors.

That seems like a ridiculous argument to me. I'm no lawyer, but my personal ideas about justice would suggest the following, in general:

- confess before you're even caught: be rewarded for coming forward by getting the maximum reduction

- confess after you're caught but before you're convicted: be rewarded somewhat for cooperation and honesty (those who chose to be interviewed by USADA are somewhere in the range between the first and second, although of course I still suspect some of them didn't tell the whole truth)

- confess after you're caught and convicted: minimal reward, at best. The only reason a person in this situation would confess then but not before is because they thought they could get away with it even up until the last moment. There's not even a hint of remorse in that situation. That is where Armstrong is at. A reduction of a lifetime ban to 8 years seems entirely appropriate to me.

 

[mountainrman]

IMPORTANT MESSAGE FOR THE UK

According to this article http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013/jan/15/lance-armstrong-comes-clean-oprah it is being shown on discovery channel UK - which Sky subscribers have! - I will be recording.

Sky News channel carries some CBS news, and there were snippets of the Tygart interview (no more than on the web) but I have yet to see any advert for the interview in full.

OK UK people - I can confirm it is there.

For those who have sky - Set your recorders to discovery channel 2.0 am Friday "oprah winfrey and lance armstrong" the program is now there.

@glenn_wilson
Nobody in as far as I can tell - other than media and pubic opinion.

 

[Lukenwolf]

According to reports in German media they had to split it into 2 65minutes parts, so either he'll talk a helluva lot of bovine excrement or the whole thing will be more than the minimum-admission that most people expect.

 

[mountainrman]

According to reports in German media they had to split it into 2 65minutes parts, so either he'll talk a helluva lot of bovine excrement or the whole thing will be more than the minimum-admission that most people expect.

On discovery it is 1.25 long from 2.00a to 3.25a GMT

Suggest other countries publish the times of the program and station if they have found it broadcasted there.

Oprah says on a number of sites she was surprised about how forthcoming he was ( she would not reveal details of what he said) - that she had come ready to have to punch hard, but found she did not have to push to get information. (my paraphrase)

I think lance senses he only gets one chance at this.

The fact his lawyers "advised against it" implies he did more than the minimum.

 

[hfer07]

based on that I watched this morning on CBS- I'm fully convinced that Mr LA DID NOT CONFESS anything at all- Even Ms Ophra Winfrey acknowledges her "dissatisfaction" from the answers she obtained from him. Apart from that- what turned out to be more reveling was the "advisers & team review" of what was discussed during the interview- so we'll see tones of editing & short answers.

Honestly not surprised at all-knowing Mr LA's nature-but at the same time-good because the more he fights this matter-the deeper he's digging his own grave...

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-400_162-57563952/lance-armstrong-admits-doping-to-oprah/

 

[Lukenwolf]

Punching hard and Oprah W. are not exactly two things that belong in the same sentence, are they? If he would have the ball to come clean, he would have done the interview with Greg Lemmond or Paul Kimmage and he would bloody well have started with an apology.

 

[GJB123]

It was disgraceful that Travis allowed lifetime doper and lietenant Hincapie to lead the peloton onto the Champs Elysees, knowing he was busted - which incidentally is in breech of agreements with ASO who ask for riders to be withdrawn who are suspected as Hincapie clearly was at the time - he had already withdrawan from the olympics. Nicole Cooke I gather is very unimpressed about what allowing him to ride says to clean riders.

And as for Travis the reports from those present at Denver seem to say Lance came ready to do a deal to agree to dish dirt in exchange for reduction of ban , and Travis refused to deal except at 8 years - no practical difference from a lifetime ban. So Travis already has questions to answer - not least he was saying to the press "not too late to confess" and the opposite behind closed doors.

Blahblahblah, same usual drivel, beating a dead horse, etc., etc., etc.

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

What I want to know is if Armstrong is going to pay for the therapy of all of his fanboys and girls inside and outside the media. It's got to be pretty tough on the professional shills and cheerleaders like Sherwin, Liggett, Harmon, Westemeyer, Friebe etc who spent years sucking up to the one balled wonder.

Either, they knew he was doped and they went along with the lie, which shows their lack of moral compass and just how devoid of any integrity they are, or they believed him, in which case they were so clearly divorced from reality, and so stupid that they shouldn't be allowed out without the supervision of an adult.

 

[The Gnome]

I don't believe it is to be edited too much...the big O. said she wanted to run the entire two and a half hours so will be two nights now...one thing that surprised me is to prepare for the interview she read 7 deadly sins and Walsh's LA Confidential...find that abit hard to believe but was surprised to even hear those mentioned...guess maybe an intern or assistant gave her a synopsis or something...hard to tell how this will go...she said this morning she was very surprised at how he responded, that he came prepared...

my gut feeling from the start has been the admission will be entirely clothed in cancer talk...he felt he had to do it for all the cancer people ect...all of his real success has always come from over exploiting the cancer stuff so my bet is he will go hard on that...yes, he did some things he wasn't proud of but it was all in the name of all those sufferers...

 

[Oldman]

It was disgraceful that Travis allowed lifetime doper and lietenant Hincapie to lead the peloton onto the Champs Elysees, knowing he was busted - which incidentally is in breech of agreements with ASO who ask for riders to be withdrawn who are suspected as Hincapie clearly was at the time - he had already withdrawan from the olympics. Nicole Cooke I gather is very unimpressed about what allowing him to ride says to clean riders.

And as for Travis the reports from those present at Denver seem to say Lance came ready to do a deal to agree to dish dirt in exchange for reduction of ban , and Travis refused to deal except at 8 years - no practical difference from a lifetime ban. So Travis already has questions to answer - not least he was saying to the press "not too late to confess" and the opposite behind closed doors.

You find this disgraceful? What is unseemly is the defense from the fringe of fandom. How's the view from your world?

 

[mountainrman]

based on that I watched this morning on CBS- I'm fully convinced that Mr LA DID NOT CONFESS anything at all- Even Ms Ophra Winfrey acknowledges her "disatisaction" fron the answers she obtained from him. Apart from that- what turned out to be more reveiling was the "adavisers & team review" of what was discused during the interview- so we'll se tones of editing & short answers.

Honestly not surprised at all-knowing Mr LA's nature-but at the same time-good because the more he fights this matter-the deeper he's digging his own grave...

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-400_162-57563952/lance-armstrong-admits-doping-to-oprah/

She actually says "satisfied" both verbally and in the text of the same article you link and elsewhere so not sure where you got "dissatisfied" from.

She also says that though she did not manage to get all 112 questions in, she says he answered all the important ones.

She seems to express surprise at the manner of the confession...rather than the fact of it. Problem is both parties have agreed not to talk about it.

We will have to wait.

 

[Oldman]

She actually says "satisfied" both verbally and in the text of the same article you link and elsewhere so not sure where you got "dissatisfied" from.

She also says that though she did not manage to get all 112 questions in, she says he answered all the important ones.

She seems to express surprise at the manner of the confession...rather than the fact of it. Problem is both parties have agreed not to talk about it.

We will have to wait.

Some Talk Sports jocks that claimed a mole in Oprah's camp suggested no hard facts were presented and every statement was carefully considered prior to response. He was "contrite". Sounds like he's segueing to his whistleblower role and may angle to the heroism it takes to be that guy.

 

[hfer07]

She actually says "satisfied" both verbally and in the text of the same article you link and elsewhere so not sure where you got "dissatisfied" from.

She also says that though she did not manage to get all 112 questions in, she says he answered all the important ones.

She seems to express surprise at the manner of the confession...rather than the fact of it. Problem is both parties have agreed not to talk about it.

We will have to wait.

Satisfied about "the overall interview" NOT THE ANSWERS from his doping
but as you said- we'll have to wait until Thursday...

 

[VeloCity]

Sounds like he's segueing to his whistleblower role and may angle to the heroism it takes to be that guy.

Best thing he could possibly do at this point. I'd be willing to cut him considerable slack if he blows the lid on Verbruggen/McQuaid/UCI, just as pariah Landis' reputation was rehabilitated by his blowing up USPS et al.

 

[mountainrman]

Satisfied about "the overall interview" NOT THE ANSWERS from his doping
but as you said- we'll have to wait until Thursday...

Even the very best politicians struggle to fill a void of more than half an hour with a lot of words containing no useful information - so in 90 minutes - it is hard to believe there is nothing worth listening to!

Apparently he said jokingly at one point a long way in...."when are you going to cut me some slack? ask me a few easy questions about my morning run or kids or something"...which implies she did not let him stray of the subject!

Glad I can record it on discovery, rather than stay up all night!
Fast forward might be a useful button on the remote...

 

[Jack Ruby]

She also said she was surprised the some of the content of the interview was leaked prior to here plane landing in Chicago.

 

[silverrocket]

I dunno. I hear some duelling banjos

Nice one. Even their shirts are somewhat similar.

 

[thirteen]

a little OT, so please pardon the interruption...

does anyone know if it will airing in Belgium (Flanders region)?

 

[GJB123]

She also said she was surprised the some of the content of the interview was leaked prior to here plane landing in Chicago.

No doubt mountainrman wil ascribe that leaking fully to Travis Tygart and his dastardly USADA.

 

[hfer07]

a little OT, so please pardon the interruption...

does anyone know if it will airing in Belgium (Flanders region)?

just in case you don't get the broadcasting available there
http://www.cyclingfans.com/oprahs-lance-armstrong-interview-live