Lance Refuses to give Blood Sample to USADA

[flyor64]

"Lunch time ... I just loves me some boobie.... I hope theis never ends " 12:33 pm

I know we often type LOL, ROFL, and LMFAO in forums, IMs and so on.

But I actually laughed out loud on this one...so kudos to you sir

+1 to the comedy GOLD comment from before

 

[sashimono]

Wouldn't freezing it and then thawing it compromise it somewhat?

Yes. Refrigerated blood is only good for a month. If it is frozen the red cells are destroyed.

It can be separated, treated with antifreeze, and stored longer but nobody in cycling would do it.

 

[Race Radio]

Yes. Refrigerated blood is only good for a month. If it is frozen the red cells are destroyed.

It can be separated, treated with antifreeze, and stored longer but nobody in cycling would do it.

That is incorrect.

Kohl talked about the Humanplasma lab freezing his blood. His manager would then go to Vienna, defrost it, and transport it to the Tour for a rest day fill up. Red Blood cells can be frozen and stored for 10 years.

 

[BikeCentric]

Yes. Refrigerated blood is only good for a month. If it is frozen the red cells are destroyed.

It can be separated, treated with antifreeze, and stored longer but nobody in cycling would do it.

Treated with antifreeze? Can you elaborate or provide links on that? I have never heard of this procedure and cannot find anything on it with web searches.

 

[350Watts]

That is incorrect.

Kohl talked about the Humanplasma lab freezing his blood. His manager would then go to Vienna, defrost it, and transport it to the Tour for a rest day fill up. Red Blood cells can be frozen and stored for 10 years.

Plasma is fine to freeze but red blood cells do tend to rupture when thawed.

 

[350Watts]

Treated with antifreeze? Can you elaborate or provide links on that? I have never heard of this procedure and cannot find anything on it with web searches.

Pretty much exactly what he stated, antifreeze+extras, buffered polyethylene glycol with an anticoagulant.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

How long will the blood last before it goes off?

......What was needed next was for scientists to find a way to get the maximum amount of RBC’s infused into a subject’s body at the most appropriate time. First, it was determined that by freezing the RBC’s after they were centrifuged you could completely halt the aging process of the cells. This process will allow you to store blood for up to 10 years with only 10% to 15% of the RBC’s being lost

http://www.texarkanacollege.edu/~mstorey/beckham.html

 

[350Watts]

This really is a ridiculous thread, he didn't refuse, the USADA much like the UCI is incompetent (pretty much in all facets).

 

[workingclasshero]

This really is a ridiculous thread, he didn't refuse, the USADA much like the UCI is incompetent (pretty much in all facets).

that's armstrong's take on it, we haven't heard the other side.

now this may well be the right way to describe this situation but i really feel people have to stop taking lance armstrong's inane twittering as an encyclopedia, it's not a facts only outlet

 

[BikeCentric]

Pretty much exactly what he stated, antifreeze+extras, buffered polyethylene glycol with an anticoagulant.

Alrighty, best not to leave that out for the cats to drink eh?

 

[Polish]

2014 Lance

This really is a ridiculous thread, he didn't refuse, the USADA much like the UCI is incompetent (pretty much in all facets).

Lance's blood refused to enter the sample bag...is that better

For all we know, 2009 Lance ducked into the shower
and traded places with time-travel Lance from 2014.

Of course, 2014 Lance is/will be also dirty, but they have mastered the art of
clogging old school extraction devices by then. The grammar police
are/will be really nasty then fyi....

 

[Sprocket01]

i really feel people have to stop taking lance armstrong's inane twittering as an encyclopedia, it's not a facts only outlet

Er, who has done that? The problem is the thread title: "Lance Refuses to give Blood Sample to USADA", which there is currently no evidence for. This is where your complaint should be directed.

At any rate it turns out LA did all his blood draws ten years ago, so he would have nothing to fear from a blood test at this stage of the season.

 

[Sprocket01]

The question is now - who's freezer is it in and are they prone to power cuts?

 

[sashimono]

That is incorrect.

Water has a very weird property where its volume increases when it freezes. So it tends to bust its container, i.e. a cell, when frozen.

 

[Polish]

Britannica has their own twitter

now this may well be the right way to describe this situation but i really feel people have to stop taking lance armstrong's inane twittering as an encyclopedia, it's not a facts only outlet

Encyclopedia Britannica has its own twitter:

http://twitter.com/BRITannica
.
.
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[350Watts]

that's armstrong's take on it, we haven't heard the other side.

now this may well be the right way to describe this situation but i really feel people have to stop taking lance armstrong's inane twittering as an encyclopedia, it's not a facts only outlet

Far be it for me to stick up for Armstrong but the title of this thread was pure trolling.

 

[BikeCentric]

The whole thing is probably a tempest in a teapot in terms of the individual incident.

The larger theme here is that LA's Twitter continues the campaign from Armstrong (and many other Pro Cyclists in general) to smear the credibility of the anti-doping testing authorities. I.E. the meme is that we've got a class of heroic, hard-working, super tough Pro Cyclists who are constantly being hounded and chastized by inept anti-doping authorities, sometimes with unjust career-destroying implications!

 

[BikeCentric]

Water has a very weird property where its volume increases when it freezes. So it tends to bust its container, i.e. a cell, when frozen.

So you are trying to say that red blood cells can't be frozen?

The New York Blood Center says they keep blood frozen and stored for up to ten years:

http://www.nybloodcenter.org/products/index.do?sid0=5&sid1=35&page_id=67

 

[hfer07]

What is annoying about the Twitter message is the arrogance used to tell the world that he is "ABOVE THE ANTI-DOPING SYSTEM" and even dares to mock it.
It's like the USADA could ever bust him.....

 

[Digger]

What's worse is that the agencies are not allowed defend themselves as they can't comment on individual cases, yet Lance can say and do what he wants.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

I can't think of anything positive to say about Twitter. Is its sole purpose to feed the ego's of those that need it? Who cares what the hell is going on at every moment of someone's life and what the hell makes them think that they are so important that anyone cares?)

+ 1 zillion

As to the test, one can actually be very dehydrated and veins not able to detect. He also could have had blood drawn from other areas of the body, but as we're only hearing Lance's side, who knows what really went on.

Also, not sure why they needed a full vial, instead of just a pin ***, or urinalysis.

If Lance doesn't like these tests, perhaps he could help push for inclusion of CO analysis testing, and donate money to the UCI for it too.

 

[fatandfast]

What's worse is that the agencies are not allowed defend themselves as they can't comment on individual cases, yet Lance can say and do what he wants.

There is no defense. If it's your job to get blood get the blood. Even if it puts a tiny bruise on King Armstrong's arm you leave with a sample. LA can tweet to his hearts content about their incompetence, and most of the time he is just hot air. This time he is right. With all that is at stake they have to get their act together. The whole US is afraid to get a Flu shot because of idiots like these. **** Pound or McQuaid should take time out of their busy schedule to jam the needle in Lance's arm. Everybody claims he is a pin cushion so it can't be that hard. There are " needle pros" all over Brooklyn that can do the job for 5 bucks.

 

[Digger]

There is no defense. If it's your job to get blood get the blood. Even if it puts a tiny bruise on King Armstrong's arm you leave with a sample. LA can tweet to his hearts content about their incompetence, and most of the time he is just hot air. This time he is right. With all that is at stake they have to get their act together. The whole US is afraid to get a Flu shot because of idiots like these. **** Pound or McQuaid should take time out of their busy schedule to jam the needle in Lance's arm. Everybody claims he is a pin cushion so it can't be that hard. There are " needle pros" all over Brooklyn that can do the job for 5 bucks.

It was a general comment about Lance running to twitter. Showergate being another case, as were the examples in this year's Tour. He gets in there first.

 

[SpeedWay]

So you are trying to say that red blood cells can't be frozen?

The New York Blood Center says they keep blood frozen and stored for up to ten years:

http://www.nybloodcenter.org/products/index.do?sid0=5&sid1=35&page_id=67

The only things he's saying for sure is that Pascal's law is weird - sort of like this thread.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

It was a general comment about Lance running to twitter. Showergate being another case, as were the examples in this year's Tour. He gets in there first.

Imagine if the USADA tester tweeted, "couldn't get blood from LA, veins too flat, had to listen to him whine the whole time. Will try again later."