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Lance Refuses to give Blood Sample to USADA

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Sprocket01 said:
Yes it was good information.

15% seems a rather high number to lose from your red blood cell count, so I think we can safely say nobody holds onto it for ten years. I wonder how much is lost in a year? Others seem to think the thawing process can cause problems.

It also doesn't answer the question of how they get it to France in the first place if it's in deep freeze (or even if it is not). Blood bags through customs? And where would they keep it in France? Does it have to be done in a professional clinic? It's a murky and complicated business alright.

Do you ever answer questions or just ask them? Have you discovered Google? Of course we can all agree that the space aliens have something to do with the process?
 

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Race Radio said:
Do you ever answer questions or just ask them? Have you discovered Google? Of course we can all agree that the space aliens have something to do with the process?

I don't get what you mean. It's a cycling forum. I'm interested to know about these controversial issues that go hand in hand with the topic of the clinic. What's wrong with asking people about it? I think many people would like to know.

Maybe you could tell us if you think LA has all his blood in France already? Or, if he doesn't, what method of shipping does he use for this frozen cargo?
 

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Sprocket01 said:
Maybe you could tell us if you think LA has all his blood in France already? Or, if he doesn't, what method of shipping does he use for this frozen cargo?

Someone just asked you do you answer any questions or just raise them - and you answered by asking another question! That answers that then.

Ideally to transport blood it is best kept between 4 & 12c IIRC. But as we saw with the Rasmussen case correct storage is not the biggest priority.
But of course if you had access to a Private Jet, now that would make things a lot easier.

Edit: transportation of blood between 1c & 6c.
 
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Someone just asked you do you answer any questions or just raise them - and you answered by asking another question! That answers that then.

Ideally to transport blood it is best kept between 4 & 12c IIRC. But as we saw with the Rasmussen case correct storage is not the biggest priority.
But of course if you had access to a Private Jet, now that would make things a lot easier.

I have to respectfully disagree. He does not so much ask questions as he makes ridiculous statements thinly disguised as questions. Sorry to go off topic, but I really think you are giving sprocket a little to much credit here.
 
HoustonHammer said:
Sprocket - I've been meaning to ask you for an expert's critique on a slightly separate subject. Did you think Dustin Hoffman's performance in Rain Man was realistic? I've always felt it was a bit over the top, but I don't have any personal perspective...

I'd be interested to hear Sprocket's take on that as well, but in the mean time Kirk Lazarus has some advice for him:

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/bc...lm-clip-nobody-goes-full-***-from-ilike2party
 
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Far be it for me to stick up for Armstrong but the title of this thread was pure trolling.

Totally agree. Interesting how you got ignored on that one. :rolleyes:

Same old voices, loud, long, same old agenda, any excuse.

In case some of you didn't know, it's very clear you are convinced LA is on some good juice, and was for all his wins. How many times do you need to say it??
 
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Totally agree. Interesting how you got ignored on that one. :rolleyes:

Same old voices, loud, long, same old agenda, any excuse.

In case some of you didn't know, it's very clear you are convinced LA is on some good juice, and was for all his wins. How many times do you need to say it??

Well, if Lance didn't publicly (yes twitter is public) abuse someone then the thread wouldn't exist... Not our fault he's a twit.

The whole thread is a bit of a laugh, few people are taking it seriously, and those who are are posting decent information in regards to blood storage.

The fact that Lance thinks his veins are good makes the fact that no blood was drawn all the more ridiculous *hint* *hint*
 
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I think we can all agree that transporting anything is not a challenge for Armstrong? On this most rational people would agree?

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HoustonHammer said:
Sprocket - I've been meaning to ask you for an expert's critique on a slightly separate subject. Did you think Dustin Hoffman's performance in Rain Man was realistic? I've always felt it was a bit over the top, but I don't have any personal perspective...

Dad let's me ride slow in the driveway.

I'm an excellent rider.

Dad lets me drive slow on the driveway every Saturday. 'Course the seats were originally brown leather now they're a pitiful red.

It's a 1949 Buick Roadmaster. Straight 8. Fireball 8. Only 8,985 production models. Dad lets me drive slow on the driveway. But not on Monday, definitely not on Monday.

Uh oh, fifteen minutes to Judge Wapner.

'Course, three minutes to Wapner.

Ten minutes to Wapner. We're definitely locked in this box with no TV.

It's definitely very small in here.
 

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Right, you're saying he takes it in his private jet. Well why didn't you just say that when I asked the first time?

However, does he usually use a private jet for translantic flights? I know celebs hop around the US on those things, but that's not always the case for longer trips. But even if he does, it still has to go through customs, and the French authorities are always searching his stuff. Still seems a very risky business indeed.

And we're now saying he freezes it and later thaws it himself and not a special clinic? That is surprising.
 

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Sprocket - I've been meaning to ask you for an expert's critique on a slightly separate subject. Did you think Dustin Hoffman's performance in Rain Man was realistic? I've always felt it was a bit over the top, but I don't have any personal perspective...

I didn't rate the performance. It's easy to get an Oscar for playing someone that is supposed to be *** or dying or something. Hollywood love all that.
 
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I didn't rate the performance. It's easy to get an Oscar for playing someone that is supposed to be *** or dying or something. Hollywood love all that.

Gotta get my cycling shorts at Mellow Johnny's.

You know what I think? I think this autism is a bunch of sh!t! Because you can't tell me that you're not in there somewhere!

Cycle shorts. Mellow Johnny's!

I'm gonna let ya' in on a little secret. Lance sucks.

'Course it's 10 minutes to Wapner.

You'll make it.

Yeah
 

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Right, you're saying he takes it in his private jet. Well why didn't you just say that when I asked the first time?

However, does he usually use a private jet for translantic flights? I know celebs hop around the US on those things, but that's not always the case for longer trips. But even if he does, it still has to go through customs, and the French authorities are always searching his stuff. Still seems a very risky business indeed.

And we're now saying he freezes it and later thaws it himself and not a special clinic? That is surprising.

Who is the we?

You are asking questions about the transportation and making it sound like it is near impossible. While the transportation of blood is difficult when there is the amount of money at stake then the logistics will be overcome.

He uses several Private Jets - and he uses them for Trans-Atlantic flights. Most small to medium airports in the EU have only part-time if any customs.
 
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jusus this has been discussed to death.

getting blood from the us to europe or from anywhere in the word to anywhere in the word is 123. it's done legally using special medical services arrangements and cargo..hospital to hospital clinic to clinic only a dolt will doubt that if armstrong can get a medical professional to lie in court on his behalf, he can't get a confidant md arrange a transfer. one only needs medical connections on both ends and $$ to grease the deal. armstrong may never even be involved in the arrangements except receiving his stuff back. big wheels like him have coordinating 'assistants'..like legal guy is bill stapleton, athletic figure head is carmichael etc etc including his medical guy who remains somewhere in the background.

but sprakah will suck this subject dry to continue trolling.
 

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the money is not all that great

Dr. Maserati said:
Who is the we?

You are asking questions about the transportation and making it sound like it is near impossible. While the transportation of blood is difficult when there is the amount of money at stake then the logistics will be overcome.

He uses several Private Jets - and he uses them for Trans-Atlantic flights. Most small to medium airports in the EU have only part-time if any customs.

Good Dr, the prize money is not that good lol - especially after you
share with your team/support. Maybe a couple hundred g's at best!
Would not even break even.

I would argue, in addition, that if Lance's Main Motivator is $moola$
why would he even THINK of doping. Risk/Reward equation there is
such that maybe even AC could do the math...ooops, maybe not;(
 

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Good Dr, the prize money is not that good lol - especially after you
share with your team/support. Maybe a couple hundred g's at best!
Would not even break even.

I would argue, in addition, that if Lance's Main Motivator is $moola$
why would he even THINK of doping. Risk/Reward equation there is
such that maybe even AC could do the math...ooops, maybe not;(

Do you think LA shared around the $2,000,000 he got for his participation in the Giro? Or the money he recieved for riding in Ireland or Australia?
He might throw them a 6 pack of Michelob Ultra®

In one year he was estimated to have made $28,000,000.
 

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Good Questions

Race Radio said:
Do you ever answer questions or just ask them? Have you discovered Google? Of course we can all agree that the space aliens have something to do with the process?

Mr Radio, you just asked three question youself;(

Anyway, Sprockets logistic question is VERY interesting!

This is not the 1980's, when Blood Transfusing was allowed.
Nor is it the 1990's when nobody really cared when you transfused boohoo.

Being a Doper at the TdF in 2009 is like being a human in
San Fransisco surronded by PodPeople:(:(
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And I understand TimeTravel, Space Aliens, or TransContinentalLAF
MiniJets are cute jokes - but really how DOES Lance dope in France??

Its easy for AC, he can drive his blood there...
 
Polish said:
I would argue, in addition, that if Lance's Main Motivator is $moola$
why would he even THINK of doping. Risk/Reward equation there is
such that maybe even AC could do the math...ooops, maybe not;(

I'm sorry but you have not taken Economics 101 if you don't think the risk/reward ratio is in favor of a pro cyclist doping. A pro cyclist who doesn't dope has a shot at maybe being a domestique for a few years and maybe getting paid about $40K per year for a few years doing so. A pro who gets on a full doping program and wins even 1 (ONE) big race has a very good chance of having let's say a 10-year career getting paid a bare minimum of $100K every year. Not to mention product sponsorship side deals. Keep in mind that many 10-year long pro careers have been made on the basis of 1 (ONE) Tour de France stage win. Heck, one could make the argument that a rider could dope to win, then get off the dope and struggle as pack fodder for years on the coat-tails of the one big win and just keep giving lip service to his managers that he'll "get it together soon and win another big one." A lot of riders have had careers like that, dope or no dope.

So the reality of a risk/reward analysis shows that it's actually pretty stupid to attempt to be a pro and NOT dope. Most people are better off pursuing a career at Wal-Mart from a long-term income view. And on the contrary, anyone who attempts a career as a pro cyclist has a giant potential reward for full-out doping with very little downside - because the downside of not doping (likely a short ignominious career) is the exact same downside of doping and getting busted (likely banned from the sport and never getting another contract chance if you were a small name to begin with).
 
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