Landis letter re drug use in cycling

[Roland Rat]

Yeah and figure the fact that Lance and Brunyeel have financial agreements with the UCI. UCI is biased against Landis. This is true bullying/robber baron tactics in sport.

Remember 2006 when Lance supported Floyd's "innocence" claims. I'm sure that maybe he was pressured to proclaim innocence so that he wouldn't spill the beans about USPS doping systems in the 2002-2005.

This will spell the start for sponsors pulling out biggest of them probably, in my opinion, being BMC.

My opinion, that is all

I don't think we need to worry about the cycling industry sponsors like BMC, it's the non-cycling ones that are most at risk. Like Radioshack, hahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

 

[Animal]

Do I need to pull up some of the other idiotic posts by the other posters, take your blinders off son.

I have no idea what you are claiming you are doing.

You just keep popping up and being called an idiot.

Well done!

 

[sportzchick]

Because South Australia is the capital of doping in Australia.

French, another rider, O'Grady, Jonker etc. That French saga showed what SA is really like. Unfortunately he was the scapegoat. There were more involved.

yeah whatever you say.....

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

True - but it was a recreational drug (Ecstasy) that he took and not a PED - except for bogeying the night away in a German nightclub - he wasn't racing at the time as he was out injured.

Oh, I know, and the irony is that today it is not illegal OOC.

I understood your posting to say he had not been sanctioned for the ecstasy, but I gather now you mean he was never sanctioned for Puerto.

Susan

 

[frizzlefry]

I have no idea what you are claiming you are doing.

You just keep popping up and being called an idiot.

Well done!

Dont blame me that you cant comprehend English. Thats your fault, not mine.

 

[Anonymous]

Do I need to pull up some of the other idiotic posts by the other posters, take your blinders off son.

okay, you caught a couple of fish. Now go tell your mom how good you did trolling in the interwebs and let the adults have a discussion.

 

[Jamsque]

Stop feeding the troll, guys.


I hope Pat McQuaid loses his damn job over this. The man is an absolute disgrace. If the UCI is going to go after guys that confess the sport will never get any cleaner.

 

[issoisso]

Dont blame me that you cant comprehend English. Thats your fault, not mine.

BEHOLD! THE APOSTROPHE!

*bows*


But I've gotta hand it to you. When it comes to Bating, You're a Mastur. You do it often, always with Lance in mind.

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

Frizzle Fry, I have already warned you once. STOP IT.

Discuss the topic please and do not bait other users.

Everyone else, please ignore any attempts to bait and stay on topic.

Thank you.

Susan

 

[goldcycle26]

I don't think we need to worry about the cycling industry sponsors like BMC, it's the non-cycling ones that are most at risk. Like Radioshack, hahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

Well obviously Radioshack is going to face some fallout but the reason why I stated BMC is because Floyd "accused" Andy Rihs of being informed/paying for FLandis doping. He is a primary owner in the BMC team especially with his owning of the BMC brand; that brand is pretty badly cursed. Tyler Hamilton, Floyd Landis, Vino, etc... No one is gonna cut them a break hahahahaha

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I'm sure it will have negative press against LA, but more than that? JU and MP were different people. They were easy targets due to their mindset (Jan a decent guy, Pantani a crazy guy) Lance won't go down easy, he has dealt with this before.

And naming too many people... we seen this before, didn't we? A recent example: Boogerd, Menchov, all names in Human Plasma. We all know its extremely likely that that is a true story as well, effect: zero.

Now we have this coming form a known liar.. of course it's true, as it confirms every rumor and scrap of evidence we have seen so far. But we aren't the judge and jury. The lawyers will rip Landis to pieces.

Anyone who had some knowledge of Lance's whereabouts could make up a story like this... it simply isn't proof. The same with the photo's: even if he finds a blood bag with Lance's name: I could make one myself... So easy to shoot holes in this case.

And before I get mobbed again: Of course this is the real deal, it's just how the lawyers and spin will approach this one.

Let's hope I'm overly pessimistic.

But remember: Betsy is a much more believable witness. lance brushed that one aside with no real lasting effect. Landis isn't nearly as good a witness as Betsy.

Forget the sanctions - they might never come.

But it was media pressure that ruined both Ullrich & Pantanai because they were pulled from events Giro 99 & Tour'06.

Lance will not get to ride this Tour - somewhere there is a crack, probably Garmin or BMC will withdraw riders, forcing TRS to do likewise - in the media thats guilty.

You're right about Betsy - but all she ever wanted to do was tell the truth and move on - of course LA painted her as a 'hater', but she successfully sued 'The Guardian' when they published a piece where Lance called her a liar. But the media in the US didn't cover that.

With Floyd this will be a different event.

 

[Sasquatch]

Frizzle Fry, I have already warned you once. STOP IT.

Discuss the topic please and do not bait other users.

Everyone else, please ignore any attempts to bait and stay on topic.

Thank you.

Susan

Hey Susan, why is part of your tag censored. Writer/**********

 

[Cerberus]

Oh, I know, and the irony is that today it is not illegal OOC.

I understood your posting to say he had not been sanctioned for the ecstasy, but I gather now you mean he was never sanctioned for Puerto.

Susan

Which isn't entirelly accurate either. Formal suspension or not he was forced out of the sport. That is a sanction even if it's not official.

 

[Doctor Blood]

Any Chance that the Tour recinds certain invites?

There is a history for ASO to not invite certain teams based on past transgressions/reputations
Of course they have also turned a blind eye in the past and under neww manegement so to speak.............

 

[Roland Rat]

Well obviously Radioshack is going to face some fallout but the reason why I stated BMC is because Floyd "accused" Andy Rihs of being informed/paying for FLandis doping. He is a primary owner in the BMC team especially with his owning of the BMC brand; that brand is pretty badly cursed. Tyler Hamilton, Floyd Landis, Vino, etc... No one is gonna cut them a break hahahahaha

True. I think the risk then is that Rihs gets banned from team ownership/management, but we've seen how Pat is appraching this, so I can't see that happening.

 

[euanli]

Stop feeding the troll, guys.


I hope Pat McQuaid loses his damn job over this. The man is an absolute disgrace. If the UCI is going to go after guys that confess the sport will never get any cleaner.

This is my reaction, he seems to be the one circling ever up in their wagons

 

[Parrot23]

More "inspiring" stuff from McQoolAid



“All this proves is that he’s a liar: he has stood up in court and denied these things,” McQuaid said. “He’s got absolutely no credibility. I’m annoyed at something like this” coming out during the Tour of California, he added.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/20...robed-by-u-s-anti-doping-agency-update2-.html

 

[danjo007]

I don't think we need to worry about the cycling industry sponsors like BMC, it's the non-cycling ones that are most at risk. Like Radioshack, hahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

i fail to see how that is so funny you moron.
its people like you who would rather see the sport of cycling go down the tubes, than work through it, and get some respect back in the sport.

do you actually ride a bike? im guessing you do, and are not very good at it.
it might explain your attitude round here.

 

[trompe le monde]

Somehow I feel like this may be the equivalent of a large Platonic cave. Before we were strapped in chains forced to look at the reflections of Lance-constructed shadows and now Floyd, tragic hero and unintended philosopher king, has liberated us from the shackles and brought us out of the cave to see the light.

Only question is how many shadow makers will this uncover and what efforts will Lance use to try and cram the believers back into his falsely constructed cave?

 

[Eyjafjallajokull]

2002: I was instructed on how to use Testosterone patches by Johan Bruyneel during the During the Dauphine Libere in June, after which I flew on a helicopter with Mr Armstrong from the finish, I believe Grenoble, to San Mauritz Switzerland at which point I was personally handed a box of 2.5 mg patches in front of his wife who witnessed the exchange. About a week
later, Dr Ferrari performed an extraction of half a liter of blood to be
transfused back into me during the Tour de France.

If true that's interesting. I was involved in a discussion a few days back where I claimed that Armstrong rode the Giro clean last year but saw that all the GC guys were doped so may have then decided to use blood transfusions at the tour. But I was assurred that it couldn't possibly be done that quickly - it would take months or planning and you couldn't possibly do it during one of the busiest periods of the season when you have to train so hard.

But Landis says it can be all be done within a few weeks. That means either I am right, or this confirms Landis is lying.

 

[Roland Rat]

This is my reaction, he seems to be the one circling ever up in their wagons

I think Pat's misjudged this one. People pretty much know what has gone on in the past, we just needed hard evidence to support it. I think the tide has turned against LA and JB, and the only way the UCI could get out of it was to be uncommittal initially, pending "further investigation". To come right out and accuse FLandis like this shows they are corrupt and self-serving, and hopefully the media will take this one up now they have a nice juicy "corruption in sport" story to progress.

By the way, any sightings of Kimmage yet?!

 

[Mongol_Waaijer]

words cannot express how outraged I am at the actions of Fat Pat McQuaid.

He's the head of an organization supposedly committed to clean and fair competition, and the moment a confession that threatens their "golden goose" comes along he's on the defensive, chucking mud right back.

If he was remotely professional and had a shred of integrity his reaction would be along the lines of "these allegations will be taken seriously and looked at in detail" etc.

The sheer hypocrisy of a man heading an organization that allegedly took bribes to protect an athlete from a positive test dismissing the accuser of a malicious agenda is breathtaking. What kind of agenda do those being accused have?

For me the UCI reaction is the most depressing part of this story.

I hope McQuaid goes down with Lance and The Hog.

 

[Eyjafjallajokull]

So what's the verdict in general then? Do I have to read the whole thread?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

The court ruled that whether or not he doped is irrelevant. The contract was badly worded, which meant that as long as he won the event, it didn't matter whether or not he broke the event's rules. He was the winner and therefore entitled the bonus. Done. Finito.

Or, as Lance's legal counsel Tim Herman put it to the media: "This ain't no doping issue, this is a matter of texas contract law".

Of course, as soon as they won, they immediately put out a press release stating it had been proven in court Lance didn't dope, and other similar lies.

One big point with regards to the SCA case was that as long as Lance was the 'recognized' winner he was entitled to the bonus.

If they retroactively strip him of his victories - in theory back to 2002 SCA could have a valid claim.

 

[goldcycle26]

Somehow I feel like this may be the equivalent of a large Platonic cave. Before we were strapped in chains forced to look at the reflections of Lance-constructed shadows and now Floyd, tragic hero and unintended philosopher king, has liberated us from the shackles and brought us out of the cave to see the light.

Only question is how many shadow makers will this uncover and what efforts will Lance use to try and cram the believers back into his falsely constructed cave?

Maybe this will give Hamilton, Andreu, Vaughters greater incentive to come out agains LA and Brunyeel. Hamilton and Andreu have absolutely nothing to lose.

David Walsh had his facts down. He's gonna hav a field day.