Landis letter re drug use in cycling

[Anonymous]

Yes, when someone asks for evidence rather than just joining the cult, they should retire

What did Ligget say that was wrong? Give us evidence? Sacriledge?

facepalm...

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

That Ligget comment is just pathetic. He really does need to retire. It's just sad that he had the voice and talent he once did, and now he's reduced to this. David Duffield knew when to slowly fade into the background, and did so gracefully. it's a shame Phil didn't follow the same path.

Oldman is right about releasing more info. If the FDA has a top investigator on this, it's best for Floyd to go on vacation and not answer the phone. If he's just trying to move the tide via PR, then I'd say he's still done enough already and doesn't need to say any more either.

 

[Aerodynamic]

That is THE MOST over-the-top ridiculous Omerta enforcement I have ever seen. Liggett needs to retire, he's far too senile to be the spokesperson for this sport.

How is he trying to enforce omerta? I thought his comments were reasonable. He's obviously believes what he is saying. And it's true that the claim of a bribe to overrule a specific positive test is the most troubling part of Landis claims.

A lot of people in the sport are confused about why Landis would come out with this now. It's not extraordinary that many people doubt him given the circumstances. I think we can forget this when cheering for one side or another.

 

[Aerodynamic]

That Ligget comment is just pathetic. He really does need to retire. It's just sad that he had the voice and talent he once did, and now he's reduced to this. David Duffield knew when to slowly fade into the background, and did so gracefully. it's a shame Phil didn't follow the same path. .

That sounds like the type of ad hominen statement that you criticise the other side for, isn't it? He doesn't have to be too old and crazy because he questions a man who wrote books and took donation funds for years to prove his innocence.

And why do you want the feds involved in this along with legions of reporters? That's not good for cycling just at a time when it has cleaned up significantly. Why do you want to go back?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Yes, when someone asks for evidence rather than just joining the cult, they should retire

What did Ligget say that was wrong? Give us evidence? Sacriledge?

You stated earlier that you have your 'homework' done.

You still haven't answered my earlier question. Would you like me to repeat it yet again? I assume others are as tired of reading it as I am writing it.

And teacher will not be impressed if you have not your homework done.

 

[gree0232]

That Ligget comment is just pathetic. He really does need to retire. It's just sad that he had the voice and talent he once did, and now he's reduced to this. David Duffield knew when to slowly fade into the background, and did so gracefully. it's a shame Phil didn't follow the same path.

Oldman is right about releasing more info. If the FDA has a top investigator on this, it's best for Floyd to go on vacation and not answer the phone. If he's just trying to move the tide via PR, then I'd say he's still done enough already and doesn't need to say any more either.

And if teh investiogator looks at the fact that everyone Landis has accussed without a shred of evidence is denying his claims and concludes that this was an angry vendetta or an attempt at blackmail????

Then what?

 

[gree0232]

You stated earlier that you have your 'homework' done.

You still haven't answered my earlier question. Would you like me to repeat it yet again? I assume others are as tired of reading it as I am writing it.

And teacher will not be impressed if you have not your homework done.

That is because your question is lost in the sauce. The ONLY question I have seen you ask is whether you think I should be worried about you reposting my posts?

And, as Lance would say, drive on with your bad self. There is your answer for the third time.

If there is another, I am not going to go searching for it. Ask it.

If it deals with Andreau? Well, two of them vs, eight witnesses who testify under oath with a different version = Armstrong wins based on preponderance of evidence.

If it deal with the 'positives', then you have the Vrijman report and the fact that Pound rather than Armstrong winds up censured over that one. The Preponderance of the evidence supports Armstrong.

In one case after another it is always the same.

And Landis? Accusations sans proof? Phil Ligget is a jack hole for pointing that out to

Just please keep the crying to a minimum when Lance rides this year's tour (Oh the injustice!).

 

[Bala Verde]

Lemond supports Landis, in a way:

Sporza in dutch

I believe Landis when he says that cycling is corrupt [...] Floy wants to come clean, and I support him in that [..] I undertsand that many people will doubt his story, because he has changed it a number of times. However, I am in favour of a radical change"

 

[BroDeal]

well landis's original press conference was sheduled for saturday during the TT until someone blew the whistle on it.. maybe its still going ahead

FLandis should give a press conference if he wants the story to spread. The TV and radio media need audio and video. A few sound bites would be very helpful.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Well, Kimmage has weighed in. I'm suspecting Walsh is still trying to absorb it all before commenting.

Cycling News needs a knowledgeable pit bull reporter to go to races and ask hard questions of some of these riders.

I think I have your answer... The mighty S westemeyer! Dan B needs to set her free off her leash!

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Congratulations to Roland Rat. By making the 2000th post, you win a virtual T-Shirt. Wear it, burn it, wipe with it, whichever you prefer. But do so proudly:

Great , even tough i am only on post 2000something now.

 

[BroDeal]

That Ligget comment is just pathetic. He really does need to retire. It's just sad that he had the voice and talent he once did, and now he's reduced to this. David Duffield knew when to slowly fade into the background, and did so gracefully. it's a shame Phil didn't follow the same path.

Ligget and Sherwen stopped being real commentators a long time ago. Now they are Armstrong spokesman. Their commentating act is a parody of what it used to be. Everything they say is a set up for one of their old metaphors or catch phrases.

 

[battery89]

Haven't seen it mentioned - is the FLandis press conference that was meant to happen during ToC's TT still going to happen?

 

[auscyclefan94]

Ligget and Sherwen stopped being real commentators a long time ago. Now they are Armstrong spokesman. Their commentating act is a parody of what it used to be. Everything they say is a set up for one of their old metaphors or catch phrases.

Did you see dims other vid about the question on payments to uci? Funny...

PL said that todays big bear stage was the best race he had ever seen in USA.

What will AC be thiking about all this?

 

[Anonymous]

A lot of people in the sport are confused about why Landis would come out with this now.

its been made clear countless times. the statute of limitations is 8 years so for prosecutions to be made for 2002 it has to be done now.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

A lot of people in the sport are confused about why Landis would come out with this now.

That right there is why you, and Liggett are sorely mistaken. Floyd didn't "come out" with anything. Over the last several weeks he wrote private letters to USA Cycling and USADA confessing to what he did and what he saw. He never said a word to the press, or anyone in public. It was someone along the way who leaked the information. The first thing Floyd said when tracked down was that he needed to clear his conscience, and wanted to help clean up the sport and was frustrated that doping controls were so easy to defeat. It's a shame that people like Liggett, and yourself, give no credence to this.

For Liggett to make the statements he did, not saying it should be looked into because Floyd showed no indication for it to go public, nor saying it should be investigated because it seemed detailed and had a ring of truth, not to comment and admit that time and time again the sport has been shown to have a serious doping problem, even when leaders such as Pat McQuaid claim it is being cleaned up. He did none of that. Not one word. Instead he said it was bad for cycling that Floyd spoke up the way he did.

It isn't speaking up about doping that's killing the sport, by Floyd, Millar, Papp, Kohl or anyone else, it's doping itself. How this isn't painfully obvious to you is maddening.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

That is because your question is lost in the sauce. The ONLY question I have seen you ask is whether you think I should be worried about you reposting my posts?

And, as Lance would say, drive on with your bad self. There is your answer for the third time.

If there is another, I am not going to go searching for it. Ask it.

If it deals with Andreau? Well, two of them vs, eight witnesses who testify under oath with a different version = Armstrong wins based on preponderance of evidence.

If it deal with the 'positives', then you have the Vrijman report and the fact that Pound rather than Armstrong winds up censured over that one. The Preponderance of the evidence supports Armstrong.

In one case after another it is always the same.

And Landis? Accusations sans proof? Phil Ligget is a jack hole for pointing that out to

Just please keep the crying to a minimum when Lance rides this year's tour (Oh the injustice!).

Ok then - I will ask again.....

How many people were in the hospital room when Lance admitted to taking PED's?

You also suggest they all gave evidence - this is of course wrong, but there is little point in showing you that when you don't even know the very basics of the case.

 

[auscyclefan94]

I am a bit behind on this issue but kimmage said that he knew about this for ages.

 

[Anonymous]

I am a bit behind on this issue but kimmage said that he knew about this for ages.

Joepa also hinted at it indirectly in his blog a fair while ago. I think it was semi-common knowledge that Floyd was going to release something soon.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Of course this place is filled with speculation, but there was a thread here a few months ago with people showing strong belief that Floyd was going to confess. The fact it really happened shouldn't be that big of a surprise to anyone who followed his career.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Kimmage and Mcquaid interview

Very interesting. not sure if everyone has heard it.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

If it deal with the 'positives', then you have the Vrijman report and the fact that Pound rather than Armstrong winds up censured over that one. The Preponderance of the evidence supports Armstrong.

Only on a technical, and legal level.

As I said in previous posts, anyone reading the Ashenden interview will draw the conclusion that Lance doped, whether it's possible to sanction him for that is what Vrjiman reused him from. But Vrjiman is an attorney looking at that alone, Ashenden a physiologist who looked into whether Lance actually used EPO or not, and concluded without doubt that he did.

 

[Cal_Joe]

Well, Kimmage has weighed in. I'm suspecting Walsh is still trying to absorb it all before commenting.

Cycling News needs a knowledgeable pit bull reporter to go to races and ask hard questions of some of these riders.

Yeah, good luck with that. Dr. Peabody and Sherman peeked into the future and this is what they found...

Scene: Switzerland, the day before some race….

Pit Bull (to Cyclist #1): Have you ever doped? Do you know anyone in this race that has? Have you seen any blood bags in the team bus or any syringes?

Cylist #1: Um, er would you like to see the cassette I will be using for the mountain stages?

Pit Bull: I want to hear the tape cassettes of the strategy plans for your team where you discuss how to mask EPO.

Cyclist #1: Um, er would you like to see the new wheels I will be using at the time trial?

Pit Bull: Is that where you hide the testosterone patches? In the wheels?

Cyclist #1: Kindly **** off before I pull a Theo on you.


Pit Bull (to Cyclist #2): Have you ever witnessed transfusions? Do you collect syringes from the team hotel rooms for future “insurance”?

Cyclist #2: The seventh stage will be very demanding with the many Cat 1’s and the Cat 2’s.

Pit Bull: Do you find that certain patches irritate your skin? What is the best masking agent for (pick a drug)?

Cyclist #2: In case you haven’t heard, Cuddles is no longer cuddly and he is in the room across the hall. It would be interesting for your head to meet Cuddle’s forearm.



Omerta is too instilled to end this week or year.

 

[Parrot23]

10 Livestrong points for you, flicker. May be redeemable at the RadioShack store for:

a) 10 minutes of sniffing Lance's chamois
b) A night spooning with Bob Roll
c) Autographed copy of "My Battle Against Senility" by Phil Liggett
d) Paul Sherwen's "Guide to California's Agriculture"

LOL

e) all of the above while Fatty McQuacky watches.

 

[Parrot23]

The Team Shack bus starts to get serious. Bruyneel yelling on the side: "Focus".