Landis letter re drug use in cycling

[Dr. Maserati]

I just hope this is the one thing which finally turns the tide. Festina didn't do it, Puerto fizzled mostly (despite all the evidence), Humanplasma... nothing.

This thing has the potential to blow up so forcefully to bring about change.

Unfortunately, just like Festina, it's mostly about one team. Saxo, Astana etc. are going to gain from it. Virenque bites the dust while Ullrich rides on. Let us not kid ourselves about Schlecklet and Bertie.

Ah, but Festina and Puerto - they were the few bad apples, non anglo types Pat reminds us.

It was always easy to throw the riders under the bus - occasionaly a DS got caught too - but it was how you played the game, Sainz whined and got shafted Riis brought in a team anti-doping programme.

This time though it goes all the way to the top.

 

[bianchigirl]

Sure this has already been suggested but surely there's someone here who can join the dots - put together certain riders travel plans/movements with the Landis information?

 

[Race Radio]

From what I've read... Landis has stated he's got no documentation or evidence.

So what you have is someone making accusations... someone who already has very damaged credibility (due to his previous statements about being clean.)


The point with Canseco is that there was no investigation started due to his claims. Did they prove to be correct? Largely they did. Do I think Landis is lying? No I don't... I think virtually everyone who has finished in the top 10 of a grand tour the last 20 years was doped up to the gills... I think they're all guilty.

But I simply don't think anything at all will come of it. No suspensions, no missed race days, nobody will be fired. Perhaps Landis gets hit with a perjury charge... but that's it.



Roger Clemmons was implicated with a used syringe with his blood on it containing HGH... and nothing came of it. In this case there isn't any physical evidence. I can't see anyone going down because of it. It may affect public opinion... but that's it.

You don't get it. This is far beyond the Landis' letter. The Feds are involved. Jeff Novitzky is working the case. This is not going away

 

[2beacoup]

And that, for me, is the most significant part of Landis's accusations. The accusations against individual riders probably won't amount to much, since there's no way to prove it (except by measuring the size of Hincapie's ears). But the corruption allegations should lead to a inquiry and house-cleaning.

The fish stinks from the head! But what do we ask for? That McQ and Co. resign and refund the money? Who will charge them? Who will replace them..?

 

[thehog]

And that, for me, is the most significant part of Landis's accusations. The accusations against individual riders probably won't amount to much, since there's no way to prove it (except by measuring the size of Hincapie's ears). But the corruption allegations should lead to a inquiry and house-cleaning.

You know Floyd has more evidence. Like photos. No one is going to say s+it because he's going to publish the photos. Most don't know what he's got and can't second guess it.

I told the story about Hincapie before on this forum. Nice guy and doesn't dope now but he was worse than Lance with his intake.

 

[mr. tibbs]

I just moved up 723 places in the world rankings.

I lol'd. Great post.

And sorry to the rest of you for the non-contribution.

 

[kurtinsc]

The Lance fanboys are coming out of the woodwork. I love it.

I don't think it's really a fanboy statement.

I firmly believe that Lance has doped most of his career.

But I still don't think anything will come of this due to the lack of physical evidence and Landis not exactly having sterling credabilty.

PR wise it might hurt Lance... but I'd be shocked if he faced any legal issues at all, or a suspension of any kind.

 

[Hekla.]

You don't get it. This is far beyond the Landis' letter. The Feds are involved. Jeff Novitzky is working the case. This is not going away

Yeah it looks like Landis could be facing some hard time. Why would he do this to himself?

In a way I think Armstrong will be pleased that Floyd has taken himself out of the picture.

 

[Hekla.]

You know Floyd has more evidence. Like photos. No one is going to say s+it because he's going to publish the photos. Most don't know what he's got and can't second guess it.

I told the story about Hincapie before on this forum. Nice guy and doesn't dope now but he was worse than Lance with his intake.

I heard the evidence is nothing more than a picture of a motorbike. Not very damning.

 

[woodburn]

Floyd should have listend to Greg in 2006. Everything he said came true. It'd be nice of Floyd apologized for the whole USADA scandal, too. Somewhere I think Greg is having a good morning.

 

[Roland Rat]

Ahh... a Nation awakes....

Where's the popcorn?

 

[CycloErgoSum]

Strange response. Sounds like Paddy believes some things should stay buried. He must think that sleeping dopers should lie.

 

[Cerberus]

I don't think it's really a fanboy statement.

I firmly believe that Lance has doped most of his career.

But I still don't think anything will come of this due to the lack of physical evidence and Landis not exactly having sterling credabilty.

PR wise it might hurt Lance... but I'd be shocked if he faced any legal issues at all, or a suspension of any kind.

Well to reiterate Landis' word by itself means nothing, but if a criminal investigation is launched there might be people who'd rather not perjury themselves, or it could be true that he kept journals. I'm not going to say that Lance is done for, but he's hardly safe.

 

[Hekla.]

The Lance fanboys are coming out of the woodwork. I love it.

I've noticed there is a lot of trolling like this on the thread.

Firstly I don't think many 'fanboys' doubt that Armstrong doped in some way through his career. That is the nature of the sport. We just have a more sophisticated approach towards it. And it's nothing more than stating the obvious that Floyd does not have a lot of credibility given his position.

I'm at a loss why people would be enjoying the prospect of Armstrong getting bad PR out of this. Hating is not a healthy way to live. Armstrong is a human being like you and me. It's also very bad for the sport of cycling. Why would a fan of cycling enjoy this story?

 

[Straßenrennen]

Maybe lances donation came with a refund clause included....

 

[BikeCentric]

I'm behind on the thread so this may have been posted already, but complete stonewalling by fat Pat McQuaid here:

http://www.cbssports.com/worldsport...ing-and-fingers-armstrong?tag=headlines;other

 

[Race Radio]

I've noticed there is a lot of trolling like this on the thread.

Firstly I don't think many 'fanboys' doubt that Armstrong doped in some way through his career. That is the nature of the sport. We just have a more sophisticated approach towards it. And it's nothing more than stating the obvious that Floyd does not have a lot of credibility given his position.

I'm at a loss why people would be enjoying the prospect of Armstrong getting bad PR out of this. Hating is not a healthy way to live. Armstrong is a human being like you and me. It's also very bad for the sport of cycling. Why would a fan of cycling enjoy this story?

You just proved Moose correct, good job.

Basically you think lance is a doper but nobody should say anything about it. Got it

Even the Groupies have an Omerta

 

[Velodrama]

I've noticed there is a lot of trolling like this on the thread.

Firstly I don't think many 'fanboys' doubt that Armstrong doped in some way through his career. That is the nature of the sport. We just have a more sophisticated approach towards it. And it's nothing more than stating the obvious that Floyd does not have a lot of credibility given his position.

I'm at a loss why people would be enjoying the prospect of Armstrong getting bad PR out of this. Hating is not a healthy way to live. Armstrong is a human being like you and me. It's also very bad for the sport of cycling. Why would a fan of cycling enjoy this story?

You know what LA did to Filippo Simeoni, right?

 

[blackcat]

I've noticed there is a lot of trolling like this on the thread.

Firstly I don't think many 'fanboys' doubt that Armstrong doped in some way through his career. That is the nature of the sport. We just have a more sophisticated approach towards it. And it's nothing more than stating the obvious that Floyd does not have a lot of credibility given his position.

I'm at a loss why people would be enjoying the prospect of Armstrong getting bad PR out of this. Hating is not a healthy way to live. Armstrong is a human being like you and me. It's also very bad for the sport of cycling. Why would a fan of cycling enjoy this story?

truth for the sake of truth

 

[scribe]

I don't think it's really a fanboy statement.

I firmly believe that Lance has doped most of his career.

But I still don't think anything will come of this due to the lack of physical evidence and Landis not exactly having sterling credabilty.

PR wise it might hurt Lance... but I'd be shocked if he faced any legal issues at all, or a suspension of any kind.

TdF has a long record of excluding teams under investigation/suspicion. I'd be surprised if the field wasn't a lot narrower this year.

 

[TRDean]

TdF has a long record of excluding teams under investigation/suspicion. I'd be surprised if the field wasn't a lot narrower this year.

I hope you are right!!

 

[2beacoup]

Late justice for Mike Anderson. At least I hope so.

 

[scribe]

I've noticed there is a lot of trolling like this on the thread.

Firstly I don't think many 'fanboys' doubt that Armstrong doped in some way through his career. That is the nature of the sport. We just have a more sophisticated approach towards it. And it's nothing more than stating the obvious that Floyd does not have a lot of credibility given his position.

I'm at a loss why people would be enjoying the prospect of Armstrong getting bad PR out of this. Hating is not a healthy way to live. Armstrong is a human being like you and me. It's also very bad for the sport of cycling. Why would a fan of cycling enjoy this story?

He rubs people the wrong way. I've never really felt one way or the other about the guy, which alone has made posting in the clinic more like tip-toeing across a mine field.

 

[Hekla.]

You just proved Moose correct, good job.

Basically you think lance is a doper but nobody should say anything about it. Got it

Even the Groupies have an Omerta

Well I don't think it's right for someone to through around allegations in the press perhaps for money. Doping was pretty much the norm in cycling for many years - the public and the media won't understand that.

But I question why people enjoy stories like this.

 

[luckyboy]

Wow, 105 pages in one day?!

I really hope this sticks, and there is proper evidence on the way. Very exciting indeed.