Landis threatened?

[BroDeal]

I think you could have given Papp 4 gallons of blood, I don't think it would make a difference . You either have the ability and the dope or you don't

Keep building that strawman. I'm sure there are a few weak minded readers who will buy it.

 

[Colm.Murphy]

Looks like a pretty clear case of someone who a couple years ago was hopping mad that anyone would even suggest that Armstrong was using dope but has now fallen back into the defensive position that everyone does it so it does not matter. These days that seems to be the last refuge of an Armstrong scoundrel.

Agree. It is like a mass retreat of rationalization, landing these folks on the final square on a board where all the moves are taken and they eventually must admit their false god was just a fatherless, cross-eyed hick from suburban Plano who was a construct of timing, opportunity, solid work ethic and chemistry.

And he took them for one hell of a ride.

 

[python]

Agree. It is like a mass retreat of rationalization, landing these folks on the final square on a board where all the moves are taken and they eventually must admit their false god was just a fatherless, cross-eyed hick from suburban Plano who was a construct of timing, opportunity, solid work ethic and chemistry.

And he took them for one hell of a ride.

true, except in this particular case the story line and the style of the poster are amazingly similar to one recently banned who sold the same line for many years pretending that admitting texas doping is the pass badge allowing to propagate 'respect' for his talent without being a fanboy. the character would engage in endless rounds of questions that were answered many times and demand links as a strawman of last resort.

 

[Colm.Murphy]

true, except in this particular case the story line and the style of the poster are amazingly similar to one recently banned who sold the same line for many years pretending that admitting texas doping is the pass badge allowing to propagate 'respect' for his talent without being a fanboy. the character would engage in endless rounds of questions that were answered many times and demand links as a strawman of last resort.

Yes. It really would be quite an amazing psychology study. They ALL have common, predictable behaviors and can repeat the party lines with mechanized precision.

As a marketing and branding loyalty exercise, it approaches religious or political zealotry. Quite an achievement also in that it transcends borders, classes, and religious and political views.

 

[BroDeal]

Yes. It really would be quite an amazing psychology study. They ALL have common, predictable behaviors and can repeat the party lines with mechanized precision.

As a marketing and branding loyalty exercise, it approaches religious or political zealotry. Quite an achievement also in that it transcends borders, classes, and religious and political views.

Let's just hope they never accept the offer of a free personality test.

 

[Colm.Murphy]

Let's just hope they never accept the offer of a free personality test.

I like how you think:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-799954787514590907#

 

[flicker]

Looks like a pretty clear case of someone who a couple years ago was hopping mad that anyone would even suggest that Armstrong was using dope but has now fallen back into the defensive position that everyone does it so it does not matter. These days that seems to be the last refuge of an Armstrong scoundrel.

What you say is absurd. Almost all pros dope, in all sports. In GTs sadly doping is essential. That is why I troll the Armstrong threads and Landis threads. My point is if you pick on those 2 you must pick on all. Be fair in your judgements they all dope. I have been watching cycling since the 70s and they all doped then, including certain amatuer national champions I raced against.
It is accepted behavior by most. The best I can say for those out there who hate USPS, DISCOVERY, RADIO SHACK and all the riders who have ridden for them is get the rock out of your shoe or choose another sport.

 

[oldschoolnik]

My point is if you pick on those 2 you must pick on all. Be fair in your judgements they all dope.

Why? Why must I pick on all? Big Mig won 5 TDF and as far as I know never had a bad word to say about anyone, Jan Ullrich, won 1 TDF and a host of other events also probably w/ help from EPO - but seems like a really nice guy too (at least by his media image) and he certainly never chased another pro down in the TDF - then lied about it - because he publicly criticized his coach. With Big Texas, you cross him, even indirectly, under threat of perjury, like Frankie and his wife and big Tex sets out to DESTROY you, your career, tells everyone you have mental issues, etc... Plus Bg Tex has been one of the most vocal enforcers of OMERTA - those are just a few reasons why I feel fine picking and choosing who I call a douchebag and who I don't and Big Tex is douchiest of douches around.

 

[flicker]

My point is if you pick on those 2 you must pick on all. Be fair in your judgements they all dope.

Why? Why must I pick on all? Big Mig won 5 TDF and as far as I know never had a bad word to say about anyone, Jan Ullrich, won 1 TDF and a host of other events also probably w/ help from EPO - but seems like a really nice guy too (at least by his media image) and he certainly never chased another pro down in the TDF - then lied about it - because he publicly criticized his coach. With Big Texas, you cross him, even indirectly, under threat of perjury, like Frankie and his wife and big Tex sets out to DESTROY you, your career, tells everyone you have mental issues, etc... Plus Bg Tex has been one of the most vocal enforcers of OMERTA - those are just a few reasons why I feel fine picking and choosing who I call a douchebag and who I don't and Big Tex is douchiest of douches around.

Well then now I guess it is time to send old BIG TEX up Calvary Hill on a cross eh Pontius Pilate.

 

[CPAvelo]

Well then now I guess it is time to send old BIG TEX up Calvary Hill on a cross eh Pontius Pilate.

Astonishing. Comparing LA to JC?

 

[Oldman]

Well then now I guess it is time to send old BIG TEX up Calvary Hill on a cross eh Pontius Pilate.

He lacks the character for a biblical crusifixion. That's why folks are so vehment on both sides-he is charismatic to the point of Jim Jones and his followers have gulped the Kool-aid. He's no longer without sin but just an average sinner among others. The folks on the other side want to emphasize his wanton manipulation for profit that borders on Roman exploitation of the sport. Jesus was just a carpenter that got sold out.

 

[flicker]

He lacks the character for a biblical crusifixion. That's why folks are so vehment on both sides-he is charismatic to the point of Jim Jones and his followers have gulped the Kool-aid. He's no longer without sin but just an average sinner among others. The folks on the other side want to emphasize his wanton manipulation for profit that borders on Roman exploitation of the sport. Jesus was just a carpenter that got sold out.

Everything you say is true except for one thing. We all sin. We must forgive and live in peace. We must help one another. Lance has put himself on the cross. I will not judge Lance though. Not my job.

 

[CPAvelo]

Everything you say is true except for one thing. We all sin. We must forgive and live in peace. We must help one another. Lance has put himself on the cross. I will not judge Lance though. Not my job.

To bring accuracy to the religious analogies, it would be more accurate to compare LA to Adam in the garden after eating the forbidden fruit. Adam never really owned up to his transgression, and when caught he pointed the figure to blame Eve. When this whole affair plays out, I expect similar behavior from Lance.

 

[this_is_edie]

To bring accuracy to the religious analogies, it would be more accurate to compare LA to Adam in the garden after eating the forbidden fruit. Adam never really owned up to his transgression, and when caught he pointed the figure to blame Eve. When this whole affair plays out, I expect similar behavior from Lance.

so Bruyneel is Armstrong's eve?

 

[Benotti69]

LA/BigTex as has been said is easily judged in my eyes....

he could've rode as a doped TdF winner (indurain/ullrich/riis) and did his thing winning, but as has been said he set out to destroy everyone who dared speak against the omerta or anything he held to be cool/right/proper.....

for what he did to Bassons he deserves everything they throw at him and more....and for what he has encouraged others to do in the name of the omerta, then destroyed them when they wanted a better deal, ie another team etc..

i believe he had a hand in former teammates getting caught.....the guy is sc*m....guys like him take a damaged sport and drag it further down.

it is my opinion that the guy has about much interest in curing cancer as oil companies in solar energy.....he uses it to enrich himself financially and egotistically....

i would like to see how much his cancer charity makes and spends, how much he gets out of it....bet that would be almost as difficult as catching him doped

 

[Oldman]

so Bruyneel is Armstrong's eve?

Lance didn't give up a rib to create Bruyneel. No something dearer to the core of most men and located further South.

 

[MacRoadie]

i would like to see how much his cancer charity makes and spends, how muchhe gets out of it....bet that would be almost as difficult as catching him doped

And that, my friends, is the sound of another thread imploding...

 

[Oldman]

Everything you say is true except for one thing. We all sin. We must forgive and live in peace. We must help one another. Lance has put himself on the cross. I will not judge Lance though. Not my job.

Not to flog a dead analogy but reading an interview with Oprah's alleged love interest, Steadman Graham the parallel characterizations are so close as to suggest LA and Oprah share the same Public Relations analyst:
According to Stedman Graham, the Chicago area needs to sit up and take stock of the benefits "The Oprah Winfrey Show” has brought to the city now while they still can. Winfrey's Chicago-based talk show ends in September, 2011.

During an interview with Fox News Chicago, Graham said he doesn’t think Chicagoans appreciate Winfrey.

“I don’t think they understand the value of who she is as a human being and what she’s done,” he told the anchors. “Because a prophet has no honor in its home town.”

Mr. Oprah Winfrey – he doesn’t mind if you call him that, he said – added, “From an insider’s point of view, I don’t think she gets the just due based on who she really is and what’s she done for the Chicagoland area.”

First of all, he notes, “she’s brought a lot of international attention to Chicago” with her talk show. And secondly, there’s the humanitarian work that she does, like her school in South Africa, he said.

Substitute Cycling for Chicago and Cancer for the school and it reads similarly to every justification for LA's defenders. Both celebrities (and let's call LA what he thinks he is-a celebrity) stress their triumph over humble beginnings, disfunctional/abusive family relationships, health problems and whatever. They never say the obvious; they must shroud their current incarnation with layers of non-disclosure contracts with their staff and they have few real friends. They also never state the super-obvious: they revel in the power of their wealth and influence.

 

[CPAvelo]

LA/BigTex as has been said is easily judged in my eyes....

he could've rode as a doped TdF winner (indurain/ullrich/riis) and did his thing winning, but as has been said he set out to destroy everyone who dared speak against the omerta or anything he held to be cool/right/proper.....

for what he did to Bassons he deserves everything they throw at him and more....and for what he has encouraged others to do in the name of the omerta, then destroyed them when they wanted a better deal, ie another team etc..

i believe he had a hand in former teammates getting caught.....the guy is sc*m....guys like him take a damaged sport and drag it further down.

it is my opinion that the guy has about much interest in curing cancer as oil companies in solar energy.....he uses it to enrich himself financially and egotistically....

i would like to see how much his cancer charity makes and spends, how much he gets out of it....bet that would be almost as difficult as catching him doped

Indeed. To get full circle, this probably explains the letter from UCI to Landis. LA/Bruyneel underestimated Landis's ability to become a TDF champion and taught him the doping techniques too effectively. But, Landis never got his place at the table and feels burned by LA. If rumors have any credence, this present "sh!t storm" could have been avoided if Landis had been welcomed back into the fold and given a spot on the Radio Shack team. Supposedly, he just wants to race his bike. Evidently, LA/Bruyneel have no compassion for the prodigal son. Now Landis is their Judas, sans the 30 pieces of silver.

 

[Cobblestones]

Indeed. To get full circle, this probably explains the letter from UCI to Landis. LA/Bruyneel underestimated Landis's ability to become a TDF champion and taught him the doping techniques too effectively. But, Landis never got his place at the table and feels burned by LA. If rumors have any credence, this present "sh!t storm" could have been avoided if Landis had been welcomed back into the fold and given a spot on the Radio Shack team. Supposedly, he just wants to race his bike. Evidently, LA/Bruyneel have no compassion for the prodigal son. Now Landis is their Judas, sans the 30 pieces of silver.

It could also be: Landis on Team Retirement Shack = no Tour invite.

You'd think the very last thing the TdF wants to see is FLandis (followed by 'kyllingen').

 

[BroDeal]

true, except in this particular case the story line and the style of the poster are amazingly similar to one recently banned who sold the same line for many years pretending that admitting texas doping is the pass badge allowing to propagate 'respect' for his talent without being a fanboy. the character would engage in endless rounds of questions that were answered many times and demand links as a strawman of last resort.

Is that ChrisE, House, Homre, or Ali? I have a hard tim keeping track of the truly stupid.

 

[BroDeal]

It could also be: Landis on Team Retirement Shack = no Tour invite.

You'd think the very last thing the TdF wants to see is FLandis (followed by 'kyllingen').

It would have been easy enough to assure the ASO that FLandis would not be on the TdF squad. There has to be a reason why they would not shut FLandis up by hiring him. It's not like Armstrong and Bruyneel would have been using their own money.

One possibility is that Radio Shack's sponsorship agreement forbids hiring someone as notorious as Landis.

It would have been easy enough for Armstrong to work with McQuaid, who undoubtedly understands what FLandis could say, to facilitate Landis' return to the Pro Tour on one team or another, even if Landis could not be hired by RS.

I think Armstrong and Bruyneel were probably taking delight in watching Floyd spiral downward, thinking that they have survived so many near misses that they are invulnerable. Bruyneel's own philosophy about leaving dents indicates someone who enjoys the reputation that comes from hurting people and getting away with it.

 

[scribe]

It would have been easy enough to assure the ASO that FLandis would not be on the TdF squad. There has to be a reason why they would not shut FLandis up by hiring him. It's not like Armstrong and Bruyneel would have been using their own money.

One possibility is that Radio Shack's sponsorship agreement forbids hiring someone as notorious as Landis.

It would have been easy enough for Armstrong to work with McQuaid, who undoubtedly understands what FLandis could say, to facilitate Landis' return to the Pro Tour on one team or another, even if Landis could not be hired by RS.

I think Armstrong and Bruyneel were probably taking delight in watching Floyd spiral downward, thinking that they have survived so many near misses that they are invulnerable. Bruyneel's own philosophy about leaving dents indicates someone who enjoys the reputation that comes from hurting people and getting away with it.

Floyd got bagged under his own programme. I don't think it is a stretch to think LA/JB didn't have a financial obligation to pull him out of his own ****.

 

[CPAvelo]

Floyd got bagged under his own programme. I don't think it is a stretch to think LA/JB didn't have a financial obligation to pull him out of his own ****.

I agree about no financial obligation, but if the accusations by Landis are true and will be discovered via the Novitzky investigations, both big "ifs," then it seems a monumental miscalculation on LA/JB's part not to have found a way to keep Landis quiet.

 

[scribe]

I agree about no financial obligation, but if the accusations by Landis are true and will be discovered via the Novitzky investigations, both big "ifs," then it seems a monumental miscalculation on LA/JB's part not to have found a way to keep Landis quiet.

I've got this feeling there was no limit to what he would have asked for. It's really difficult to sate some individuals under certain circumstances. I'm not convinced LA goes down for this, but we shall see. If he doesn't, it was a shrewd move and probably the last possible hurdle for him to get bagged himself.