Le Tour 2018 stage 10: Annecy > Le Grand-Bornand 158,5 km

[Zinoviev Letter]

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I've said it many times, I'll say it again

If you're not contending for the podium after a few short seasons of turning pro, you're unlikely to ever be because you won't improve much more.
I've said it in the context of "But Tejay and Talansky are the next generation of winners", I've said it before that with Kreuziger and others, and I've been saying it since last year in the context of Jungels. As shocking as it may seem, he's not likely to get much better than this which was already his level last year

Chris Horner would disagree with you.

Horner, Wiggins, Froome, Cobo, Dumoulin, Indurain, Hesjedal etc etc etc

 

[tobydawq]

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I've said it many times, I'll say it again

If you're not contending for the podium after a few short seasons of turning pro, you're unlikely to ever be because you won't improve much more.
I've said it in the context of "But Tejay and Talansky are the next generation of winners", I've said it before that with Kreuziger and others, and I've been saying it since last year in the context of Jungels. As shocking as it may seem, he's not likely to get much better than this which was already his level last year

Generally I agree but I'm still intrigued to see what Fuglsang can do in this race.

 

[GuyIncognito]

Of course there are exceptions. I said it's not likely, I didn't say it's impossible.

"Most adults are at least 5 feet tall" isn't disproven by some people being shorter than that

 

[movingtarget]

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I've said it many times, I'll say it again

If you're not contending for the podium after a few short seasons of turning pro, you're unlikely to ever be because you won't improve much more.
I've said it in the context of "But Tejay and Talansky are the next generation of winners", I've said it before that with Kreuziger and others, and I've been saying it since last year in the context of Jungels. As shocking as it may seem, he's not likely to get much better than this which was already his level last year

Chris Horner would disagree with you.

And Cobo and Vino and Sean Kelly and Jalabert and Frank Schleck and Hesjedal and Rodriguez and De Gendt and the list goes on................

 

[Bot. Sky_Bot]

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Interesting that Bernal was the only Sky dom to survive to the end of the climb. Even so though, we now know that nobody else has domestiques capable of shedding them or even sticking around with them: everyone left in the group was a leader except for Bernal and Latour.

Also I’m a bit surprised that the GC men dropped by Martin’s dig lost 50 seconds.

There was 4 Sky's at the top of Colombiere. But, yes I'm not sure who was the 4th behind Froome, Bernal and Thomas.

 

[Amazinmets87]

Assuming that GVA will not be allowed to go in future breaks?

 

[Robert5091]

Chapeau Ala & GvA! Both guys rode into a headwind too. Uran still suffering from Sunday obviously.

Ol' man Valverde third on GC - chapeau!

 

[Frihed89]

It's been this way for most all of the post-doping era.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

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I've said it many times, I'll say it again

If you're not contending for the podium after a few short seasons of turning pro, you're unlikely to ever be because you won't improve much more.
I've said it in the context of "But Tejay and Talansky are the next generation of winners", I've said it before that with Kreuziger and others, and I've been saying it since last year in the context of Jungels. As shocking as it may seem, he's not likely to get much better than this which was already his level last year

Yet you are wrong. This does not go for everyone.

Froome was *** before 27. Dumoulin was a time trial specialist before 2015. Hesjedal was a fringe top 10 GC rider before Giro win. There are plenty more examples of riders turning GT top contenders at late(r) age. Even when they were already promosing young.
Hell even Nibali wasn't that special in his frst GT's, attacking, but finishing outside the top 10.

 

[AlexNYC]

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I've said it many times, I'll say it again

If you're not contending for the podium after a few short seasons of turning pro, you're unlikely to ever be because you won't improve much more.
I've said it in the context of "But Tejay and Talansky are the next generation of winners", I've said it before that with Kreuziger and others, and I've been saying it since last year in the context of Jungels. As shocking as it may seem, he's not likely to get much better than this which was already his level last year

I've heard this so many times, and it's an interesting idea, but I've always wondered if confirmation bias isn't at play here. I.e., we tend to focus on the cases where this is proven to be correct and ignore all the others where it isn't. There are too many examples that directly contradict this.

 

[Sestriere]

Great performance by Movistar today! They are leading the team classification now.

 

[Bot. Sky_Bot]

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Great performance by Movistar today! They are leading the team classification now.

Who cares about the team classification?

 

[GuyIncognito]

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I've said it many times, I'll say it again

If you're not contending for the podium after a few short seasons of turning pro, you're unlikely to ever be because you won't improve much more.
I've said it in the context of "But Tejay and Talansky are the next generation of winners", I've said it before that with Kreuziger and others, and I've been saying it since last year in the context of Jungels. As shocking as it may seem, he's not likely to get much better than this which was already his level last year

Yet you are wrong. This does not go for everyone.

Good thing I didn't say it goes for everyone, then.

Read again. Carefully

 

[Robert5091]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tour-de-france-stage-10-finish-line-quotes-2/

Jakob Fuglsang (Astana) - "Our tactic was to follow the wheels today and have a look around to see how the other guys are feeling"

I think most GC guys had the same idea.

 

[yaco]

Alaphalippe is one of my favorite riders, though it was a surprise to see him win a stage with a HC and 2 Category one climbs.

 

[Eyeballs Out]

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Great performance by Movistar today! They are leading the team classification now.

Who cares about the team classification?

Sky do usually

 

[Salvarani]

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Kittel, Cavendish and Groenewegen make the time limit with only 30 seconds to spare

Next couple of stages even more brutal.

 

[wheresmybrakes]

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Great performance by Movistar today! They are leading the team classification now.

Who cares about the team classification?

Movistar, because nobody else can be arsed with it! :lol: :lol:

 

[RattaKuningas]

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http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tour-de-france-stage-10-finish-line-quotes-2/

Jakob Fuglsang (Astana) - "Our tactic was to follow the wheels today and have a look around to see how the other guys are feeling"

I think most GC guys had the same idea.

Seems like a sensible thing to do. Eventhough nothing happened, riders like Jungels, Majka, Zakarin and a little bit Valverde (who was dropped for a short time when Bernal started to chase Dan Martin, but managed to get back on when the descent started) have already been exposed and everyone will keep that in mind going forward.

 

[AlexNYC]

I think some of main GC riders were ready to try something today, but Sky's pace and the head wind would have made any attack nearly suicidal.

 

[Bot. Sky_Bot]

Kwiato, after the stage, so relaxed, even bored, with no sweat: "Everything under control, tomorrow we will have the same stage as today's."
Great, Kwiato.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

movingtarget - more unnecessary dogpiling on Cobo. El Bisonte was a pretty good espoir in Spain, had some prospects, built up through 26 and 27, handicapped by the Saunier Duval withdrawal of course, and even with next to no support on Fuji-Servetto managed a Vuelta top 10 in 2009. There are more factors at play with him due to both his team association history and his psychological history too, as we all know.

Dekker_Tifosi: That 2007 Giro was kind of won by Nibali's teammate though - team roles play a lot of the part, after all on paper Nairo Quintana's 36th in the 2012 is far less impressive than him being the top climber for Movistar and dragging Valverde around through week 3.

Sky_Bot: Unzué is surprisingly bothered by the team classification. Lord knows why other than place of car in cavalcade.

yaco: in fairness though, the Tour has started giving out some pretty ordinary HCs. At 6km in length I'm not sure about this one as a 'legit' HC. It's certainly no Madeleine.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

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Great performance by Movistar today! They are leading the team classification now.

Who cares about the team classification?

Hilaire Van der Schueren

 

[Amazinmets87]

Endurance athletes peak later than fast-twitch. First few seasons are a good indicator but lack of a podium doesn't mean you aren't a future GT winner

 

[Bot. Sky_Bot]

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movingtarget - more unnecessary dogpiling on Cobo. El Bisonte was a pretty good espoir in Spain, had some prospects, built up through 26 and 27, handicapped by the Saunier Duval withdrawal of course, and even with next to no support on Fuji-Servetto managed a Vuelta top 10 in 2009. There are more factors at play with him due to both his team association history and his psychological history too, as we all know.

Dekker_Tifosi: That 2007 Giro was kind of won by Nibali's teammate though - team roles play a lot of the part, after all on paper Nairo Quintana's 36th in the 2012 is far less impressive than him being the top climber for Movistar and dragging Valverde around through week 3.

Sky_Bot: Unzué is surprisingly bothered by the team classification. Lord knows why other than place of car in cavalcade.

yaco: in fairness though, the Tour has started giving out some pretty ordinary HCs. At 6km in length I'm not sure about this one as a 'legit' HC. It's certainly no Madeleine.

OK. Really, I have no idea.