Lemond - Trek lawsuit

[Hugh Januss]

I'll be honest. I glaze through most of your posts. They are generally heavy on the adjectives that try to animate everything in a paranoid slant. Messages just do not compute.

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=4454&page=4
Wow I just had this incredible feeling of deja vu.

 

[Kennf1]

I'd just ask - has anyone read a copy of the presentation that Trek gave to its employees when it cancelled the deal with Lemond over "his" bikes? I remember reading it at the time that all of this happened - I followed a link from an article that cyclingnews had about it all. It makes most interesting and illuminating reading ... To be honest, I was disgusted at the attitude that it displayed and it actually made me cancel an order that I had at my LBS for a Top Fuel. Basically, I considered that the company's behaviour was so borderline that I didn't want to support them in any way.

I read it when it became public, and had the same reaction, and I sent Trek an e-mail expressing my disgust. Don't think John Burke, Sr. would have stooped that low. Blame it on Jr. I also read the full complaint in the lawsuit (both the state and federal ones).

 

[hfer07]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/m...-11-07_greg_lemonds_lawsuit_against_trek.html

I just want to thank you for the link
The battle, the speculations, the dirt, the war of words, and any additional element to this endless lawsuit can be well used "in the courtroom".....

 

[BikeCentric]

Let's see how the Lemond brand does after the dissolution of this deal. He will certainly have a chance to prove himself. That would be true vindication and maybe he can do something to further the cause of a clean sport in the process.

Part of the point of the lawsuit is that LeMond's brand name has been tarnished by Trek during this dispute which is why he is seeking compensation via lawsuit!! Seriously man why are you posting if you don't even know what we're talking about?

 

[BikeCentric]

Let's see how the Lemond brand does after the dissolution of this deal. He will certainly have a chance to prove himself. That would be true vindication and maybe he can do something to further the cause of a clean sport in the process.

Yes let's just see how well his brand does now that his name has been publicly tarnished in a (alleged) smear campaign by a large corporation! See how that doesn't make sense?

However, I will certainly acknowledge that part of the damage to LeMond's brand name has been self-inflicted.

 

[scribe]

Part of the point of the lawsuit is that LeMond's brand name has been tarnished by Trek during this dispute which is why he is seeking compensation via lawsuit!! Seriously man why are you posting if you don't even know what we're talking about?

Going forward, people will either purchase Lemond bikes or they will not. You (or Lemond) can't honestly say that Trek has successfully steered consumers away from Lemond on a permanent basis.

How can you even question someone else's comments if you don't know what the hell you are even talking about? (my attempt at ad hominem. How'd I do?? )

 

[BikeCentric]

Me either. I have him on ignore, but other people insist on addressing him. I just read through this thread, and he jerks chains as well as any troll I have ever seen. Problem is, they cannot get rid of him. They tried, and unfortunately, there is always a way around bans. He knows them. If everyone would just put him on ignore, and then do so again when he chooses another name, everything would be fine.

As an expert in Trollkraft, what is your opnion on this fellow we speak of TFF? Is he:

A.) just a particularly demented rabid fanboy

B.) on drugs/crazy

C.) a paid PR flak

D.) some combination of the above

E.) other

 

[BikeCentric]

Going forward, people will either purchase Lemond bikes or they will not. You (or Lemond) can't honestly say that Trek has successfully steered consumers away from Lemond on a permanent basis.

That allegation among others will be decided in court in the lawsuit. It is part what LeMond is claiming.

As I said, I do think they (Trek) have done some damage to his name brand and I think he's got some self-inflicted wounds as well.

 

[Sprocket01]

As I said, I do think they (Trek) have done some damage to his name brand and I think he's got some self-inflicted wounds as well.

And ironically Armstrong's success boosted the sales of LeMond's bikes and other business interests. He made LeMond a lot of money.

 

[Sprocket01]

As an expert in Trollkraft, what is your opnion on this fellow we speak of TFF? Is he:

A.) just a particularly demented rabid fanboy

B.) on drugs/crazy

C.) a paid PR flak

D.) some combination of the above

E.) other

Eh, wasn't I given a warning for this type of talk? Crazy? On drugs?

Which reminds me, TFF said I had a terminal mental illness yesterday. It's lucky I'm not thin skinned.

I think you better stick to the topic, pal.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Eh, wasn't I given a warning for this type of talk? Crazy? On drugs?

Which reminds me, TFF said I had a terminal mental illness yesterday. It's lucky I'm not thin skinned.

I think you better stick to the topic, pal.

Are you saying that choice B needs to be divided into two seperate choices?

 

[peloton]

Eh, wasn't I given a warning for this type of talk? Crazy? On drugs?

Which reminds me, TFF said I had a terminal mental illness yesterday. It's lucky I'm not thin skinned.

I think you better stick to the topic, pal.

Read your own posts, you will find the answer.

 

[Sprocket01]

Are you saying that choice B needs to be divided into two seperate choices?

Yes. That was it.

 

[scribe]

And ironically Armstrong's success boosted the sales of LeMond's bikes and other business interests. He made LeMond a lot of money.

At risk of staking out in agreement with sprocket....

It is difficult to deny that Armstrong has raised the game with cycling in America. Along with that comes increase in sales and increase in pricepoints/improved profit lines.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Going forward, people will either purchase Lemond bikes or they will not. You (or Lemond) can't honestly say that Trek has successfully steered consumers away from Lemond on a permanent basis.

How can you even question someone else's comments if you don't know what the hell you are even talking about? (my attempt at ad hominem. How'd I do?? )

When the name Lemond is mentioned on this Forum and indeed anywhere else in the cycling community - what happens?

Immediately you have people saying he is "crazy", "bitter" or "jealous" and that he just badmouths Lance.

Now earlier RR asked this question:

Could you please give us specific quotes? I have seen nothing that is distasteful and antagonistic. If there are so many quotes out there it should be easy for you to find them....don't feel bad, Trek had the same problem.

What I do find distasteful is Armstrong hiring a PR firm to spread lies about Greg. I think we can all agree that this is low class.

No one has been able to answer.

Indeed in an earlier post you said that Greg's business dealings had been a disaster - I will ask a rhetorical question, what do you know about Lemond the business man and where did that information come from?

 

[Sprocket01]

At risk of staking out in agreement with sprocket....

It is difficult to deny that Armstrong has raised the game with cycling in America. Along with that comes increase in sales and increase in pricepoints/improved profit lines.

LeMond doesn't deny this. He said he had everything to gain finanically from Armstrong winning tours. He says its the prinicple of what happened that he objects to.

To me this shows that he is using the Trek dispute to further his wider agenda. Indeed I think it's almost in the open - certainly his fanboys here seem to accept and appreciate what he is trying to do in the wider scheme of things. It's not really a secret that he is trying to bring down Armstrong for some reason, and will use any means to do this.

 

[BikeCentric]

At risk of staking out in agreement with sprocket....

It is difficult to deny that Armstrong has raised the game with cycling in America. Along with that comes increase in sales and increase in pricepoints/improved profit lines.

Okay so if Armstrong's popularity increased sales of LeMond's bikes than why would Trek cancel a sucessfull line? Another question that the lawsuit seeks to answer. And yes, I know for a fact that LeMond's bikes were successfull because I sold them myself for a few years and yes I would agree that it was the "Armstrong Factor" that began in 1999 to increase the sales of road bikes dramatically.

All that being said in the industry at the time there was not a huge overall increase in bikes being sold, it was more of a product shift away from mountain bikes and towards road bikes.

 

[scribe]

When the name Lemond is mentioned on this Forum and indeed anywhere else in the cycling community - what happens?

Immediately you have people saying he is "crazy", "bitter" or "jealous" and that he just badmouths Lance.

Now earlier RR asked this question:

No one has been able to answer.

Indeed in an earlier post you said that Greg's business dealings had been a disaster - I will ask a rhetorical question, what do you know about Lemond the business man and where did that information come from?

Every bit of press Lemond has gotten the past few years has been negative. It isn't a forum phenomena.

The Lemond brand is on it's way out and that speaks of Greg's management of the brand. It has been spiraling for some time. It isn't the 'bike to have' at any level. We can split hairs as to how that has come to pass exactly. You might think it is Armstrong who is doing it. I don't agree.

 

[Anonymous]

As an expert in Trollkraft, what is your opnion on this fellow we speak of TFF? Is he:

A.) just a particularly demented rabid fanboy

B.) on drugs/crazy

C.) a paid PR flak

D.) some combination of the above

E.) other

Oh, he is a total fooking loon. That isn't trollkraft he is practicing, that is Sociopathic mental illness, and there is no cure.

 

[Sprocket01]

Dr. Maserati,

personally I didn't say he has personally attacked LA - I presume that is addressed to Scribe - though I do recall LeMond saying he thought LA was not a very nice person, which I suppose is a personal attack. But the nature of targeting LA I think is personal, even if personal attacks are not part of it. You turn up at his comeback cancer awareness press conference and start heckling? I mean, what the hell is that? And now his dragging LA's wife into it and all this for a dispute which in reality he lost no money out of? It's very personal indeed.

But it's not just Armstrong that he has insulted, this is true. His outburst against Contador at the Tour this year was unfortunate. I suppose that's just his style.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

.......

I agree with your first line.

However can you confirm how Lemond tried to "bring down Armstrong" - a quote would be really nice.

 

[JayZee]

Let's see how the Lemond brand does after the dissolution of this deal. He will certainly have a chance to prove himself. That would be true vindication and maybe he can do something to further the cause of a clean sport in the process.

This is an interesting point. Lemond, as with any damaged party, has an obligation to mitigate his damages. In other words, Lemond should be doing all he can to re-establish his business. To the extent that Lemond does nothing he risks having his damages reduced based on his failure to mitigate his damages. Lemond can't just let the brand die and blame it all on Trek.

So with that in mind, anyone have any insight into that angle? Is Lemond looking for a replacement for Trek? Of course if Lemond makes the effort and still can't get the brand re-established because of the harm caused by Trek, then that just helps Lemond's case.

I would think that there is still some decent value in the Lemond brand. I think their bikes were pretty well received and those I knew who had the most recent iterations really liked them.

 

[Anonymous]

Another little tidbit is that he has recently added the user name Sprocket02 just in case he loses his privileges with this incarnation. Seriously, "Ignore" is the only solution. We cannot rely on the site because they are powerless to solve it at this time. He knows how to beat the forum software.

 

[Sprocket01]

I agree with your first line.

However can you confirm how Lemond tried to "bring down Armstrong" - a quote would be really nice.

Obviously it's my subjective reading of his behaviour. I don't have a quote of him saying "I am trying to bring down Armstrong". For a start that would be used against him in court.

 

[Sprocket01]

Another little tidbit is that he has recently added the user name Sprocket02 just in case he loses his privileges with this incarnation.

I certainly have not. And even if I had, how would you know I had? Unless you tried to set up an account and it said that name had been taken? Were you going to pretend you were me or something? The black arts, huh?

None of your posts have been on topic.