thegripo said:
> snipped the useless fake babble <
If Lemond doped or not is irrelevant. but refusing to even consider it, is. I personally believe he was as clean as possible, mainly because he raced at a time where IT SEEMS you could win a Gran tour without doping, and because EPO was still not around. (although blood doping, anphetamines, etc, were)
I considered it. Armstrong had since 2001 with huge money available to discover LeMond's doping. He couldn't. Lawyer's, huge entourage, paid assistants, mechanics, doctors, etc and no doubt Private investigators to dig the dirt.
So the only positive thing Amrstrong has done for cycling is to dispel any idea that LeMond doped.
Now why would you argue otherwise?
This has been pointed out numerous times the issue is raised about LeMond's doping and every single time those trying to look uninterested whether he doped or not failed to convince the clinic of anything but they are fanboys.
thegripo said:
Still, I think he did everything in his power to win the TDF.
190 riders start the race and do everything in their power to win. Non argument.
thegripo said:
what about the aerobars, helmet, bike in TDF 89? that was a kind of shady thing. yes right, it's no doping, but it WAS getting every possible little thing to win. He looked for and found a small edge that no one was using, and used it for his advantage. I remember before the final TT, discussions about if they were legal. Now we know it's a huge advantage to race on a TT bike.
Fignon had the exact same equipment as LeMond. Fignon against he advice he wa given chose not to use it. Another non argument. Using latest tech = doping. Fail.
thegripo said:
So it is a FACT that greg was willing to do tricky things to win. You can argue it's not the same as doping, but I think you see my point.
Racing a bike down an Alpine pas at 70km per hour is crazy. Doesn't mae LeMond a doper. Fail.
thegripo said:
i think it's dangerous to blindly put all faith and "saintify" one person. Be it Lemond, Tygart, and/or LA.
No one is blindly puting their faith in anyone. I repeat in case you haven't finished high school and are coming down off dope. Armstrong had since 2001 with huge money available to discover LeMond's doping. He couldn't. Lawyer's, huge entourage, paid assistants, mechanics, doctors, etc and no doubt Private investigators to dig the dirt.
What has Tygart got to do with it? Tygart did not work alone. USADA has more than 1 person. Or is it only his name on your intern brief?
thegripo said:
The whole sport needs to be reformed.
For sure and to take down someone as big as Armstrong is as good a starting point as any. Hell it is probably the best place you can start. The guy that bribed the Federation and doped his way to riches getting stripped and thrown out of all sanctioned sports for the rest of his life might make others think before they dope.
thegripo said:
Current UCI is gotta be kicked out, separate entity (USADA like) to be responsible for antidoping control, putting all blame on a pr*ck like lance armstrong I think does not help...
I think they forgot to put the other 4 names from the USADA investigation on your little intern brief. Ferarri, Bruyneel (won more TdFs as a Ds than wonderboy did as a rider), Del Moral, Ceyla and Marti were all big players in doping and now are gone from the sport. Next McQuaid and Verbruggen
I think the USADA have done a fantastic job considering their meagre resources up agaisnt 5 very powerful and wealthy cheats.