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Yeah, there were days like when Pantani beat Tonkov in the TT of the Giro to secure the win that really threw my belief. I think the ol' Gas Bus was full on that day.Escarabajo said:
I think the other thing that Manzano really pointed out, and why people reacted to him so strongly, was the utter insanity of it all. The sheer number of drugs and the recklessness with which they were administered staggered belief for some. No one wanted to believe it was that bad, but these confirmations really hammer home how bad some teams can be.
That won't really ever change. No matter how many scandals there are, the vast majority of fans will continue to react to almost every scandal the exact same way.red_flanders said:
With absolute shock as they truly believed the sport was clean "after the last one".
Which is why throughout my (admittedly not very long) life, throughout the years, no matter how much evidence I present that not much has changed, I'm usually greeted with the "You're wrong, I just know most are clean now" attitude.
The same way that everyone "knew" everyone was clean after the 98 scandals. Until they found out with the 99 scandals that it wasn't true. But then they "knew" it was all clean by then. Until they found out it wasn't after the 2001 Giro scandals. But then they "knew" it was clean then. Until the.....(rinse and repeat)
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Yes and after Pat's grand proclamation about a passport enduced, clean era, I expect a major bust in France or Italy, during 2010.
Manzano
When I first read/heard/saw Manzano's accusations (I live in Spain), I didn't believe him for this simple reason:- I thought no doctor (how naive I was!) would give anyone such an evil mixture of chemicals, hormones & vetinary medication. As time went on, and these "medications" became everyday words in the cycling community, I felt Manzano was owed an apology from all who'd doubted him. Instead, he was the pariah, the one who suffered while the "doctor" and the people who supplied the products were walking around free, instead of being locked up and the key thrown away. The anti-doping authorities are still chasing & punishing the wrong people.issoisso said:
Due to the fact I won my point on what doping does for a cyclists performance & what it would have done for Armstrong. Sweet FA.Alpe d'Huez said:
EPO & doping in general is so overly exaggerated & overrated, its unbelieveable.
When the sports gets 100% clean, we will still see clean riders producing remarkable performances, times etc without the use of doping.
I want all the upcoming juniors who go on to turn professional to remember, if your going to start honking EPO/HGH etc, you won't come ahead of Cavendish in the sprint, if your going to start honking EPO/HGH etc, your not going to beat Cancellara in TT, if your going to start honking EPO/HGH etc, your not going to take a clean Contador's crown in the Tour, if your going to start honking EPO/HGH etc, your not going to be as great as Armstrong...
Its all people talk about. Sorry, its not the be all, end all... Your wasting your time talking about what such huge influence it has on success in cycling... F all... Agreed its against the rules, doesn't mean its great..
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Bingo. Exactly why I posted this thread--the follow up has to be there so people can see how crazy the current system is. The people trying to fix it are constantly attacked, while the scumbags enabling it go free.quiensabe said:
Its unfortunate such an evil mixture of chemicals, hormones & vetinary medication wouldn't have worked for any rider in the Kelme team, trying to claim a Tour De France. But there you go. The history of honking dopers states that fact. Maybe you can go ask the Kelme-Costa Blanca team, maybe they will tell you what this crap did for there potentials & performances in the Tours, Classics???.. Suddenly they were beating everyone under the sun. Right?. WRONG. Doping doesn't work.quiensabe said:
Live & let die.
totally
Yeah Deadlift, you're totally right. What's Lance on? His bike! 6 hours a day!
And totally, doping doesn't work at all. Didn't work for Lance, Di Luca, Flandis, Heras, Hamilton, Museeuw, Riis, Zabel, Ullrich - all those guys. They're winnings were down to hard work! It's just spending money for the placebo effect. I am so happy you've trolled your way here to enlighten us.
Yeah Deadlift, you're totally right. What's Lance on? His bike! 6 hours a day!
And totally, doping doesn't work at all. Didn't work for Lance, Di Luca, Flandis, Heras, Hamilton, Museeuw, Riis, Zabel, Ullrich - all those guys. They're winnings were down to hard work! It's just spending money for the placebo effect. I am so happy you've trolled your way here to enlighten us.
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Thanks for the info. I guess my impression was mistaken. Do you know if his popularity rebounded at all after his return from suspension and before his retirement? he won a few big races after his suspension (paris-tours, tour stage...). maybe this helped get some of his popularity back?petethedrummer said:
I want all the upcoming juniors who go on to turn professional to remember, if your going to start honking EPO/HGH etc, you won't come ahead of a clean Cavendish in the sprint, if your going to start honking EPO/HGH etc, your not going to beat a clean Cancellara in TT, if your going to start honking EPO/HGH etc, your not going to take a clean Contador's crown in the Tour, if your going to start honking EPO/HGH etc, your not going to be as great as Armstrong...Grilled said:
I may end it there... Not sure... History proves riders who took EPO didn't see success straight away in competetion nor did they ever stay on top when honked up against clean riders, but performances actually faultered, went backwards under the influence... Maybe a rider needs to dope for a decade before we see any viable results in the big events, not sure. Credibility factor over the long term usage of EPO in terms of consistant performances in the big events?. Not good. Maybe the hunger factor of reaching the top, the been there, done that, were probably bigger factors than doping in succeding & faultering at the highest level shown to be the case by so many of the top riders who doped...
Forget about what there saying in the laboratories, the graphs, the pie charts, its in competition where the real stats are that count, not guys in white coats putting rats through there paces on treadmills, honking the rats to there eyeballs on EPO... & telling us that rats can bonk 6 hours longer doped up & certainly not a bunch of narrow minded forum warriors who can't see past there noses....
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Guignol is a muppet... and there is a french sarcastic TV show named "The Guignols of the News" or "News puppets".gregod said:
from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Les_Guignols_de_l'info
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Alpe d'Huez said:
Hugh Januss said:I am very sorry sir, he wasn't on mine yet. But he is now.
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cool. thanks for the information. i'll try to check it out on youtube.poupou said:
a question about virenque's popularity; i seem to recall that he was the housewives' favorite. I think it was this group that his "admission" did not have much impact. Is this correct?
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All ribbing aside, I think it's important that people know there is an ignore feature, and how to use it. This helps keep the forum self-policed, and helps keep my inbox from being filled with complaints about posts and members. The ignore feature is easy to use, and pretty effective:
Simply click on someone's name. This will lead you to their profile. From there, look for the drop down "User List" menu. In that menu you'll see an option to "Add to Ignore List".
Simply click on someone's name. This will lead you to their profile. From there, look for the drop down "User List" menu. In that menu you'll see an option to "Add to Ignore List".
My understanding is that because he's always drawn a lot of attention, even after his suspension he was both very popular, and unpopular in France.gregod said:
Are you talking about the 2009 Astana drip bags?Mellow Velo said:
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