No sh!t. But you still have not answered the question.Deadlift said:Taking EPO won't make a human being start beating everyone under the sun, fact. Lance knew this.
Well there it is then. It won't make a rider beat everyone under the sun, pointless taking it then really... Look for something else within WADA regulation, which Lance did, instead of getting a ban.Ripper said:No sh!t. But you still have not answered the question.
..........Deadlift said:The question please?
Alpe d'Huez said:Deadlift - I'm not sure if you understand this, but one example of a doped rider not performing, is not solid evidence based on history as you insinuate. No reasonable person would make this same deduction unless they were completely uninformed. Please elaborate more on why you think "history" shows doping does not work. And be specific.
Well, either trolling (weird way to have fun) or your reasoning is incorrect.Deadlift said:Well there it is then. It won't make a rider beat everyone under the sun, pointless taking it then really... Look for something else within WADA regulation, which Lance did, instead of getting a ban.
Then why did he take it in 1999.Deadlift said:Taking EPO won't make a human being start beating everyone under the sun, fact. Lance knew this.
Serious question. Why are you doing this?Deadlift said:Taking EPO won't make a human being start beating everyone under the sun, fact. Lance knew this.
Thanks John. Seriously, it's against forum rules to continually post off-topic. Can we get this clown removed from this thread?ScienceIsCool said:Serious question. Why are you doing this?
You're posting in the wrong thread and making this one tough to read. If it's intentional, please stop. If it's unintentional, maybe start up a new thread so that we can avoid it.
John Swanson
Excellent information and compilation. I recommend this reading.sida-mot said:Not that I have much hope but Deadlift please read the summarization here:
http://forum.team-saxobank.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5013&whichpage=1
at least read the third post with the statistics...
I'd say history proves that if you are on a GT podium you are most likely on something or have been.
History proves that if you dope you fail.sida-mot said:Not that I have much hope but Deadlift please read the summarization here:
http://forum.team-saxobank.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5013&whichpage=1
at least read the third post with the statistics...
I'd say history proves that if you are on a GT podium you are most likely on something or have been.
Agreed, this is excellent. Have created a slideshare (in word format) document of it for reading and download.Escarabajo said:Excellent information and compilation. I recommend this reading.
By the way, when did Rujano test positive in 2003?
Looks like Polish forgot to change his username back to Deadlift before he continued his trolling.Polish said:History proves that if you dope you fail.
That list is loaded with fail.
Look at the scandals. Look at the names of the "winners"
Fail Fail Fail.
The sooner the younger riders realize that "Doping=Fail" the better.
Kids, stop listening to the "You have to Dope to win a GT" BS.
Sure, doping may make you temporarily faster - but you will fail.
Manzano was almost KILLED in a back room doping clinic for crying out loud.
Not True, I'll quote somebody else on Bike Radergregod said:I'm not so sure about this. Look at Richard Virenque. His popularity in France never suffered after his belated admission.
David Walsh also mentions the poll where Virenque was voted the 2nd mosted hated celebrity in France somwhere in this interview:You mean the same Richard Virenque who was voted the second most hated person in France after Le Pen in a poll of under 21 year old French people? The same Richard Virenque who was mercilessly lampooned on the French version of 'Spitting Image'? The same Richard Virenque whose phrase 'without my knowledge of my own free will' has become a popular French idiom meaning hypocritical denial?
http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/humour-how-astana-can-get-back-in-the-tour-14634
The poll gets mentioned here too.... http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/cycling-the-feted-and-hated-one-1105795.htmlThat led the satirical television programme, Les Guignols de l'info - which displayed Virenque as a moronic rubber puppet with hypodermics in his head[7] - to change his words to "à l'insu de mon plein gré" ("willingly but without knowing")[29], and the phrase passed into French popular culture as a sign of hypocritical denial[n 10]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Virenque
sida-mot said:Not that I have much hope but Deadlift please read the summarization here:
http://forum.team-saxobank.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5013&whichpage=1
at least read the third post with the statistics...
I'd say history proves that if you are on a GT podium you are most likely on something or have been.
the trouble with Virenque is he doped and barely even admitted it despite the evidence then came back and won 7 KOMs. Wonder what he used to managed that featpetethedrummer said:Not True, I'll quote somebody else on Bike Rader
David Walsh also mentions the poll where Virenque was voted the 2nd mosted hated celebrity in France somwhere in this interview:
http://competitorradio.competitor.com/2007/07/148david-walsh-part-1/
http://competitorradio.competitor.com/2007/07/149david-walsh-part-2/
The poll gets mentioned here too.... http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/cycling-the-feted-and-hated-one-1105795.html
Unfortunately my French is too poor to find the actual poll in French.
As French, I confirm that Virenque, and his family, had to face to very hard days that lasted for 2 years.petethedrummer said:Not True, I'll quote somebody else on Bike Rader
David Walsh also mentions the poll where Virenque was voted the 2nd mosted hated celebrity in France somwhere in this interview:
http://competitorradio.competitor.com/2007/07/148david-walsh-part-1/
http://competitorradio.competitor.com/2007/07/149david-walsh-part-2/
The poll gets mentioned here too.... http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/cycling-the-feted-and-hated-one-1105795.html
Unfortunately my French is too poor to find the actual poll in French.
Clásico Banfoandes if my memory serves me right. Or might've been the Clásico BCNEscarabajo said:Excellent information and compilation. I recommend this reading.
By the way, when did Rujano test positive in 2003?
Thanks.issoisso said:Clásico Banfoandes if my memory serves me right. Or might've been the Clásico BCN
My goodness, I had no idea of this. This guy had been a doper and The Colombians were hiding him on their team.2003
Clásico RCN
Stage 4 / Buga - Ibagué (195 km) - winner. Suspended for doping.