March 17th 2012 Milan-Sanremo - The Primavera - 298km

[More Strides than Rides]

I guess I'm going to be able to catch the end of the race. Super excited. I would say MSR is my favorite classic, but I say that about whatever is race is next on the calendar.

Great spring bicycle racing, right into non-stop college basketball, before celebrating for the sake of celebrating our goofy holiday today..

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Plus the old guys had very different training methods. I bet they didn't use powermeters, training based on wattages and thresholds and I don't know what else they'd invent these days... etc

that has nothign to do with it. the very reason the race is now a sprinters race is because there are now sprinters teams. back in the 90s, 80 and before sprinting was just seen as an added bonus to the riders skills, but you would still attack in the final. no team would ride for a bunchsprint. samethign in grand tours. you almost never saw bunchsprints. cipollini changed all that

 

[theyoungest]

that has nothign to do with it. the very reason the race is now a sprinters race is because there are now sprinters teams. back in the 90s, 80 and before sprinting was just seen as an added bonus to the riders skills, but you would still attack in the final. no team would ride for a bunchsprint. samethign in grand tours. you almost never saw bunchsprints. cipollini changed all that

Did you notice Libertine's comment about Garzelli a few years ago, with Petacchi laughing on his wheel? Attacks don't drop sprinters anymore.

 

[Caruut]

If he's in such form, shouldn't he attack on the Poggio? (serious question)

Obviously not. If he attacks, he's not a good enough climber for it to stick, and it only means his legs are less fresh for the sprint.

 

[DominicDecoco]

What's the estimated time for the riders to finish? Have to go to work 16:00 and that could last an hour before I'm back :/

 

[meat puppet]

A lot of it comes to down drafting benefits, really; they are huge since the Poggio is climbed approx. at, say, 39kph average. It's not only gravity they are fighting against but, just as importantly, wind resistance and team protection obviously helps there.

An untypical decisive climb to be sure.

 

[More Strides than Rides]

What's the estimated time for the riders to finish? Have to go to work 16:00 and that could last an hour before I'm back :/

Hope for a fast race; that's the anticipated time to finish. Or, plan on being unexpectedly late .

 

[Kvinto]

Did you notice Libertine's comment about Garzelli a few years ago, with Petacchi laughing on his wheel? Attacks don't drop sprinters anymore.

Garzelli didn't attack, he worked for Paolini, and i clearly remember the moment when during the ascent Petacchi suddenly slowed down, it looked like he got dropped and won't come back, and i was surprised to see him coming third in the end.

It's irrelevant to the issue, i know, but it was not quite an attack.

 

[Echoes]

What happened in the nineties is also irrelevant for what will happen in the future.

Everyone knows why Zabel got his first win, as is shown by this post:

Oh come one Jens Attacks its a well known fact there happened a lot clinic-wise in the early 90-ties.

It's too bad cyclismag is gone, they also had the times up climbs and wattages go up severely in the Tour somewhere around 92/93. Same can be said for climbing times in classics around that time. Top riders who didn't went with it suddenly went from being the best to not even breaking top 20 (Edwig van Hooydonck). etc

And I insist that the training methods were exactly the same in the 70's/80's as they're today. Only the equipment changed. And dope changed.



Paris-Tours is a sprinter race. But has always been.
Ghent-Wevelgem is a sprinter race. But has always been.

Milan-Sanremo has NEVER been a sprinter race.

 

[theyoungest]

Garzelli didn't attack, he worked for Paolini, and i clearly remember the moment when during the ascent Petacchi suddenly slowed down, it looked like he got dropped and won't come back, and i was surprised to see him coming third in the end.

It's irrelevant to the issue, i know, but it was not quite an attack.

Not really, no, but he was trying to shed the sprinters. He only made the sprinters look as if they could attack any moment.

 

[jens_attacks]

the break at 9 minutes.
at the front of the peloton katusha,sky and liquigas.
on manie,liquigas must go full-gas to tire some legs.

 

[DominicDecoco]

Hope for a fast race; that's the anticipated time to finish. Or, plan on being unexpectedly late .

Damn it :/

 

[meat puppet]

And I insist that the training methods were exactly the same in the 70's/80's as they're today. Only the equipment changed.

In broad brushes, probably yeah. But I think modern power meters / threshold based training methods have affected the way how "the dosage" (ie. time at the target intensity per training session) of training can be controlled. Better bang for buck ratio and less volume = more recovery?

 

[cineteq]

 

[Libertine Seguros]

What happened in the nineties is also irrelevant for what will happen in the future.

Everyone knows why Zabel got his first win, as is shown by this post:





And I insist that the training methods were exactly the same in the 70's/80's as they're today. Only the equipment changed. And dope changed.



Paris-Tours is a sprinter race. But has always been.
Ghent-Wevelgem is a sprinter race. But has always been.

Milan-Sanremo has NEVER been a sprinter race.

...but is fast becoming one.

 

[Kvinto]

Not really, no, but he was trying to shed the sprinters. He only made the sprinters look as if they could attack any moment.

This is what i meant. My point is being that he dropped Petacchi in the end, but it's irrelevant because Ale-Jet managed to come back.

 

[Caruut]

What happened in the nineties is also irrelevant for what will happen in the future.

Everyone knows why Zabel got his first win, as is shown by this post:





And I insist that the training methods were exactly the same in the 70's/80's as they're today. Only the equipment changed. And dope changed.



Paris-Tours is a sprinter race. But has always been.
Ghent-Wevelgem is a sprinter race. But has always been.

Milan-Sanremo has NEVER been a sprinter race.

never
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1.
not ever; at no time: Such an idea never occurred to me.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Did you notice Libertine's comment about Garzelli a few years ago, with Petacchi laughing on his wheel? Attacks don't drop sprinters anymore.

garzelli didn't attackl. he simply rode tempo and besides it never did really drop sprinters. guys like freddy maertens, kelly, saronni, raas, moser. they wouldn't drop either.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

What happened in the nineties is also irrelevant for what will happen in the future.

Everyone knows why Zabel got his first win, as is shown by this post:





And I insist that the training methods were exactly the same in the 70's/80's as they're today. Only the equipment changed. And dope changed.



Paris-Tours is a sprinter race. But has always been.
Ghent-Wevelgem is a sprinter race. But has always been.

Milan-Sanremo has NEVER been a sprinter race.

LOL. another troll this is?

 

[hrotha]

What happened in the nineties is also irrelevant for what will happen in the future.

Everyone knows why Zabel got his first win, as is shown by this post:





And I insist that the training methods were exactly the same in the 70's/80's as they're today. Only the equipment changed. And dope changed.



Paris-Tours is a sprinter race. But has always been.
Ghent-Wevelgem is a sprinter race. But has always been.

Milan-Sanremo has NEVER been a sprinter race.

Whatever methods Zabel and Petacchi used, both legal and illegal, they're still available to today's riders, so it's pretty irrelevant, really. You're arguing for what you think should be, not what really is.

 

[Marco Pantani]

None of the sprinters will be laughing, when Cancellara puts the hammer down towards the end of the race.

 

[Woody22]

None of the sprinters will be laughing, when Cancellara puts the hammer down towards the end of the race.

Goss will be, just like last year when Cancellara towed him to victory.

 

[Climbing]

...

And I insist that the training methods were exactly the same in the 70's/80's as they're today. Only the equipment changed. And dope changed.



Paris-Tours is a sprinter race. But has always been.
Ghent-Wevelgem is a sprinter race. But has always been.

Milan-Sanremo has NEVER been a sprinter race.

Road training didn't change much, but off season training changed quite a bit.
But I agree I can't see MSR as a sprinter race and even if you don't really drop strong sprinters, you're a still in front when the Poggio descent begins... and that matters, alot.

 

[Marco Pantani]

Goss will be, just like last year when Cancellara towed him to victory.

Well, this years Cancellara is quite a differerent one, compared to last years.
As is Goss.

 

[screaming fist]

Well, this years Cancellara is quite a differerent one, compared to last years.

because his TT in T-A was a bit slower this year?