Teams & Riders Mark Cavendish Discussion Thread

[jmdirt]

WOOHOO Cav x2!

 

[diego721]

CAV!!!

As a person outside the road, not my favorite rider. But I really really enjoy for too many years his amazing talent, now he is back, and I'm enjoying him again; just a pleasure.

 

[SlickMongoose]

Ahead of Hinault on alphabetical order.

 

[JackRabbitSlims]

Never been a huge Fan of Cav's

But it's great to see him back winning races - Chapeau!!

 

[SeriousSam]

Must be all that track training

 

[MatParker117]

Re:

Must be all that track training

He was producing HTC days power levels in dubai if he's back at that level, then I feel sorry for the germans.

 

[Red Rick]

Re: Re:

Must be all that track training

He was producing HTC days power levels in dubai if he's back at that level, then I feel sorry for the germans.

You mean in lab tests or in races? Cav is notoriously horrendous in lab tests

 

[MatParker117]

Re: Re:

Must be all that track training

He was producing HTC days power levels in dubai if he's back at that level, then I feel sorry for the germans.

You mean in lab tests or in races? Cav is notoriously horrendous in lab tests

During the final sprint in Dubai.

 

[Hayabusa]

Another fantastic result!

 

[blackcat]

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His comments on Greipel back in the day would be one example, and he wasn't exactly the safest sprinter in the peloton to compete against in the past either. Can definitely understand why people dislike him

thats BS about Cav,

Cav is the safest sprinter in the peloton, by a ways...

the few exceptions to the rule, is the Heinrich Haussler crash in either Romandie or Suisse, or Dauphine, and the TdF block on Hushovd when Culumbia or Colombia, typo Columbia, were trying to protect Hincapie and virtual Hincapie yellow on the road, and Cav blocks Hushovd in the chase peloton sprint in the last kms or last k.

The devil's advocate is, Cav has always been so far ahead he never had to close the door. Conceded. Most because his leadout was so successful dropping him off.

But it is apocryphal, Cav needs/cannot sprint without his leadout, he is just as good, maybe better, than Robbie Mcewen trying to find his own way.

But compare Cav to the Australian sprinters. If Cav was an Australian sprinter, he prolly would have caused a dozen crashes by now. imHo Cav is the safest and most fair sprinter there is.

Now, I loved his behaviour in his first 5 years in the peloton before they gave him media training and diplomacy skillz.

Cav ftw Cav is back!

#GOAT

 

[blackcat]

Re: Re:

Must be all that track training

He was producing HTC days power levels in dubai if he's back at that level, then I feel sorry for the germans.

You mean in lab tests or in races? Cav is notoriously horrendous in lab tests

During the final sprint in Dubai.

that test prolly better answered on a different subforum.

I think Cav did a faustian pact[sic] losing weight for London Olympics, he lost the typeII fibres in his quads and butt and calves, he prolly lost 4lbs, he needed those typeIIfibres in his legs. The lipotropin aod1295 is not great when u need to put out 1600watts with his cdA to take it up to Kittells 2000watts. Gerrans was smart enough to maintain his size and muscle when everyone esle around him were losing weight. so he can beat valverde and gilbert now

 

[kwikki]

It's a funny one with sprinters. If you think about what they do, then you can see why, maybe, they need that super ego to be able to do it. Robbie McEwen is a classic example, one of the most exciting sprinters ever but....jeez.....what a ***. Cavendish falls into the same bracket, a phenomenal talent, definitely in the top three all time talents, but very abrasive. Fatherhood and a spell of few wins seems to have mellowed him out and it is good to see him finally have some complimentary things to say about Greipel. Love Cavendish or hate him, his palmares are unlikely to be equalled by Kittel or Greipel.

Thinking about super-succesful sprinters only Zabel stands out as having been a bit humble.

 

[Hawkwood]

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It's a funny one with sprinters. If you think about what they do, then you can see why, maybe, they need that super ego to be able to do it. Robbie McEwen is a classic example, one of the most exciting sprinters ever but....jeez.....what a ***. Cavendish falls into the same bracket, a phenomenal talent, definitely in the top three all time talents, but very abrasive. Fatherhood and a spell of few wins seems to have mellowed him out and it is good to see him finally have some complimentary things to say about Greipel. Love Cavendish or hate him, his palmares are unlikely to be equalled by Kittel or Greipel.

Thinking about super-succesful sprinters only Zabel stands out as having been a bit humble.

Nice to see Greipel seek Cav out and shake his hand when he got yellow.

 

[gladster]

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. . . is it really that hard to see why many hate him? I guess most people must have not followed cycling between 2008-2011 when Cav was completely dominant and acted as a complete *** in most interviews and towards many riders.

So true.

Especially when you consider that he can only be successful over the last 100 meters when he has been wheelsucking the previous 100 km.

 

[SeriousSam]

"The difference is between winners and losers. The guys who win understand it and congratulate each other. It's the ones who never win. Perhaps its not fair to bracket them all, but the ones who don't win perhaps feel bitterness, they resent things and take frustrations out in that way," he said.

Great bloke

 

[kwikki]

. . . is it really that hard to see why many hate him? I guess most people must have not followed cycling between 2008-2011 when Cav was completely dominant and acted as a complete *** in most interviews and towards many riders.

So true.

Especially when you consider that he can only be successful over the last 100 meters when he has been wheelsucking the previous 100 km.

Err.....not sure you quite understand cycling.

 

[TMP402]

Re: Re:

. . . is it really that hard to see why many hate him? I guess most people must have not followed cycling between 2008-2011 when Cav was completely dominant and acted as a complete *** in most interviews and towards many riders.

So true.

Especially when you consider that he can only be successful over the last 100 meters when he has been wheelsucking the previous 100 km.

Refer to last year's British national road race.

 

[carolina]

It seems the lack of pressure from the team made a big difference. He's much more relaxed now. He predicted how greipel was going to sprint and waited for the rigth moment. Last year he wasn't so calm and lost a few sprints because he started to early.

And with boassen hagen, eisel and renshaw in the same team... it's the perfect environment for him to succeed.

 

[Hawkwood]

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. . . is it really that hard to see why many hate him? I guess most people must have not followed cycling between 2008-2011 when Cav was completely dominant and acted as a complete *** in most interviews and towards many riders.

So true.

Especially when you consider that he can only be successful over the last 100 meters when he has been wheelsucking the previous 100 km.

Wish I could wheelsuck like that.

 

[King Boonen]

On crashes:

"The difference is between winners and losers. The guys who win understand it and congratulate each other. It's the ones who never win. Perhaps its not fair to bracket them all, but the ones who don't win perhaps feel bitterness, they resent things and take frustrations out in that way," he said.

Great bloke

Cavendish does not mention the word crash or anything related to it once in that article. He is referring to people who don't win, not those who crash.

Full article:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/mentality-of-the-riders-causing-stress-in-final-kilometres-says-cavendish/

 

[PremierAndrew]

Re: Re:

. . . is it really that hard to see why many hate him? I guess most people must have not followed cycling between 2008-2011 when Cav was completely dominant and acted as a complete *** in most interviews and towards many riders.

So true.

Especially when you consider that he can only be successful over the last 100 meters when he has been wheelsucking the previous 100 km.

Refer to last year's British national road race.

Also top 30 in PR is not bad for someone who had previously only entered once

 

[Red Rick]

On crashes:
Great bloke

You don't have to post here if you don't want. Of if you have nothing constructive to post for that matter.

 

[Nick C.]

On crashes:

"The difference is between winners and losers. The guys who win understand it and congratulate each other. It's the ones who never win. Perhaps its not fair to bracket them all, but the ones who don't win perhaps feel bitterness, they resent things and take frustrations out in that way," he said.

Great bloke

Cavendish does not mention the word crash or anything related to it once in that article. He is referring to people who don't win, not those who crash.

Full article:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/mentality-of-the-riders-causing-stress-in-final-kilometres-says-cavendish/

The article is nonsensical or missing a connecting paragraph. It starts with talk of GC riders team(s) being up front where back in the Armstrong era the GC guys were not. This follows the articles in a similar vein regarding quotes from Sagan and Cav's own teammate Eisel. Then we get this "you only get this from guys that don't win" diatribe out of nowhere.

 

[SeriousSam]

On crashes:
Great bloke

You don't have to post here if you don't want. Of if you have nothing constructive to post for that matter.

I posted a quote from the rider plus my disapproval. Seems like that ought to be an acceptable post in a discussion thread, if not an I Love Mark thread.

 

[SeriousSam]

On crashes:

"The difference is between winners and losers. The guys who win understand it and congratulate each other. It's the ones who never win. Perhaps its not fair to bracket them all, but the ones who don't win perhaps feel bitterness, they resent things and take frustrations out in that way," he said.

Great bloke

Cavendish does not mention the word crash or anything related to it once in that article. He is referring to people who don't win, not those who crash.

Full article:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/mentality-of-the-riders-causing-stress-in-final-kilometres-says-cavendish/

Unnecessary dangers in sprint finishes is the context in this article, though upon reading it again it's unclear to me why Cavendish said what he said. Perhaps a missing paragraph as Nick C said

Thankfully, it's a pretty douchy thing to say regardless of the context.