Men Elite Road Race - UCI RWC Doha 2016

[Libertine Seguros]

Re: Re:

1) Sagan did something inappropriate. He did that once. I don't think he'd be married if he viewed women as objects for his personal enjoyment like you seem to enjoy. You do not get to anoint yourself as moral arbitrator.

This BS is one of the reasons I find it hard to let it go. Every time one of these discussions arises, at least somebody portrays it like the only possible reason anyone could ever give for disliking Sagan is that particular moment. This is a myth and a fallacy, as I've spelt out numerous times. It's not about his view of women as defined by that one particular moment. It's about almost every facet of his personality ever since he burst onto the scene, he embodies in so many ways the type of people I absolutely abhor, and the fact that he's so talented you can't avoid him, and other people love him so much just makes it harder for me to a) understand, and b) swallow.

That's it.

Now let's move on.

 

[Red Rick]

Re: Re:

[quote="
You know what they did well?
Split the peloton in the desert

You know what they did wrong
They rode for a sprint of a guy who hasn't won a bunch sprint in ages, against a guy's that are just faster no matter how the race went. They couldn't seriously have thought Boonen would beat Sagan? Beat Cavendish after he only sat on wheels for 250km? Sure.

They had 6 guys in the group of 26 riders, and they still only rode for a medal.

Ofcourse I'm butthurt.

That does not mean I'm wrong.

Cmon, Keukeleire, Naesen and Stuyven don't count. They had pulled for 3 hours straight and were not going to do anything. Greg was the designated guy to attack, but everybody knew it. Same with Terpstra. Both didn't get an inch of space. Good luck dropping other very strong riders on a flat road then. Besides, Greg wasn't super either.

Then yes, what's left is a sprint for Boonen. Could you share with us a tactic that could have made them win the race?

Btw, haven't seen one critical note about the Italians, yet they also had 3 'fresh' guys for the final.

All 3 italians are renowned sprinters

Yeah, but way worse than Boonen.

I don't criticize neither, but if you criticize the Belgians, you might as well do the same with Italy.

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/viewtopic.php?p=2035500#p2035500

Great, 3 fresh riders in a 26 man group, all of whom can win from a smaller group if the fellow escapees are right. Roelandts, Boonen and GvA are more rouleurs than sprinters, make something happen. Boonen has more chance if they made Sagan or Cav work than if they'd make the sprint as pure as possible. A 10% chance of winning is still better then Boonen had against Cav and Sagan.

 

[SKSemtex]

So skiping the OGRR and training 200 m sprint on mountain bike was not such a bad idea afterall
His sprint was much better in Eneco , ECRR and WCRR

 

[Lance Armstrong]

Kristoff: "I feel that I was let down. To me it seemed like EBH sprinted for his own chances. I may have lost gold medal because of that."

Lol

 

[nevuna]

Would Sagan fanboys still dare to lament that everybody is sucking his wheel after this.

I mean did he ever put his nose in the front before the final 200m. I'm quite serene because this win is worthless anyway. I've always said this, even long before Sagan turned pro. Nothing to feel bitter for Libs or for me. Cycling fans need to realise that this performance is way overrated.

what is overrated on world championship? beat best sprinters in the world.
dont need to be syco, to see this guy can bike

 

[Flamin]

@Red Rick

"Make something happen". Bit easy, huh? Heard Terpstra's interview? It was impossible to ride away as a marked man here, that's why he gave up after going twice and told Leezer to go. You seriously think Greg or Boonen or Roelandts could have ridden away?

 

[trucido]

Re:

Kristoff: "I feel that I was let down. To me it seemed like EBH sprinted for his own chances. I may have lost gold medal because of that."

Lol

This is the sort of response I would expect from Matthews, not Kristoff.

 

[Red Rick]

Re:

@Red Rick

"Make something happen". Bit easy, huh? Heard Terpstra's interview? It was impossible to ride away as a marked man here, that's why he gave up after going twice and told Leezer to go. You seriously think Greg or Boonen or Roelandts could have ridden away?

The Belgians made that pace themselves.

If you don't try, you don't win.

 

[saganftw]

italians and norwegians f***ed up as well,having 3 and 2 sprinters for what? they didnt even have a proper leadout

it feels like all these countries dont have talent problem,their riders have ego problem and are unable to sacrifice themselves for others

 

[Flamin]

Re: Re:

@Red Rick

"Make something happen". Bit easy, huh? Heard Terpstra's interview? It was impossible to ride away as a marked man here, that's why he gave up after going twice and told Leezer to go. You seriously think Greg or Boonen or Roelandts could have ridden away?

The Belgians made that pace themselves.

If you don't try, you don't win.

The pace didn't ease off even when Naesen/Stuyven/Keukeleire were done. Today simply was a day for a fast finisher after a tough race.

 

[DonEsteban]

Re: Re:

@Red Rick

"Make something happen". Bit easy, huh? Heard Terpstra's interview? It was impossible to ride away as a marked man here, that's why he gave up after going twice and told Leezer to go. You seriously think Greg or Boonen or Roelandts could have ridden away?

The Belgians made that pace themselves.

If you don't try, you don't win.

The pace didn't ease off even when Naesen/Stuyven/Keukeleire were done. Today simply was a day for a fast finisher after a tough race.

Hmm, will this stop "Sagan can't sprint after a hard race" nonsense?

 

[Brullnux]

Re:

italians and norwegians f***ed up as well,having 3 and 2 sprinters for what? they didnt even have a proper leadout

it feels like all these countries dont have talent problem,their riders have ego problem and are unable to sacrifice themselves for others

You clearly missed the perfect lead out Guarnieri gave Nizzolo. Nizzolo just wasn't fast enough and had taken a few turns at the front beforehand. Viviani clearly didn't have the legs to win today. They needed a guy like Paolini or Oss in the front group who would've attacked.

 

[Gigs_98]

Re:

@Red Rick

"Make something happen". Bit easy, huh? Heard Terpstra's interview? It was impossible to ride away as a marked man here, that's why he gave up after going twice and told Leezer to go. You seriously think Greg or Boonen or Roelandts could have ridden away?

By whom was Terpstra marked? Exactly, by a Belgium. And who set the high pace when Terpstra wanted to get away? Exactly, a Belgium.
Italy, Slovakia, Norway, Britain and Australia all only had one guy who would have worked on the last lap. I think thats as many riders as Belgium had in the group. Moreover guys like the French rider or the Dutch also had no interest in a sprint so if Belgians would have attacked they would have helped.

 

[Brullnux]

Re: Re:

@Red Rick

"Make something happen". Bit easy, huh? Heard Terpstra's interview? It was impossible to ride away as a marked man here, that's why he gave up after going twice and told Leezer to go. You seriously think Greg or Boonen or Roelandts could have ridden away?

The Belgians made that pace themselves.

If you don't try, you don't win.

The pace didn't ease off even when Naesen/Stuyven/Keukeleire were done. Today simply was a day for a fast finisher after a tough race.

Hmm, will this stop "Sagan can't sprint after a hard race" nonsense?

Probably not, considering the amount of times Sagan has *** up in the last 200m of a hard race far outnumber the amount he hasn't. But it's usually as much of a tactical issue as it is a strength one. Today he didn't have to work at all for the last 150km which helped him.

 

[Tank Engine]

Would Sagan fanboys still dare to lament that everybody is sucking his wheel after this.

I mean did he ever put his nose in the front before the final 200m. I'm quite serene because this win is worthless anyway. I've always said this, even long before Sagan turned pro. Nothing to feel bitter for Libs or for me. Cycling fans need to realise that this performance is way overrated.

The tactics he employed today were perfectly reasonable for him, Cav and Kristoff. His win last year was very similar (apart from the fact that the finish was harder).

On other days, he takes the bull by the horns (Flanders this year, the windy stage in the tour and I particularly remember a stage in TdS where he bridged to the break alone on the final climb).

Sometimes, other riders suck his wheel, but that's part of the attraction of cycling.

I definitely don't see myself as a Sagan fanboy, but I would say that he is the most talented rider in the peloton.

 

[Gigs_98]

Re: Re:

@Red Rick

"Make something happen". Bit easy, huh? Heard Terpstra's interview? It was impossible to ride away as a marked man here, that's why he gave up after going twice and told Leezer to go. You seriously think Greg or Boonen or Roelandts could have ridden away?

The Belgians made that pace themselves.

If you don't try, you don't win.

The pace didn't ease off even when Naesen/Stuyven/Keukeleire were done. Today simply was a day for a fast finisher after a tough race.

Hmm, will this stop "Sagan can't sprint after a hard race" nonsense?

Who ever said that Sagan can't sprint?

 

[Durden93]

Re: Re:

1) Sagan did something inappropriate. He did that once. I don't think he'd be married if he viewed women as objects for his personal enjoyment like you seem to enjoy. You do not get to anoint yourself as moral arbitrator.

This BS is one of the reasons I find it hard to let it go. Every time one of these discussions arises, at least somebody portrays it like the only possible reason anyone could ever give for disliking Sagan is that particular moment. This is a myth and a fallacy, as I've spelt out numerous times. It's not about his view of women as defined by that one particular moment. It's about almost every facet of his personality ever since he burst onto the scene, he embodies in so many ways the type of people I absolutely abhor, and the fact that he's so talented you can't avoid him, and other people love him so much just makes it harder for me to a) understand, and b) swallow.

That's it.

Now let's move on.

Ok, what does he do that's so bad? He's a showman, he's charismatic, and he's enthusiastic. There's nothing wrong with that. He's also humble. I think the majority of commentators agree that cycling needs a personality, it attracts fans and keeps things interesting. But if you don't want to attract new fans and just want to keep things the way they were that's fine, but what Sagan does/did is not a major problem for the sport.

 

[saganftw]

Re: Re:

@Red Rick

"Make something happen". Bit easy, huh? Heard Terpstra's interview? It was impossible to ride away as a marked man here, that's why he gave up after going twice and told Leezer to go. You seriously think Greg or Boonen or Roelandts could have ridden away?

The Belgians made that pace themselves.

If you don't try, you don't win.

The pace didn't ease off even when Naesen/Stuyven/Keukeleire were done. Today simply was a day for a fast finisher after a tough race.

Hmm, will this stop "Sagan can't sprint after a hard race" nonsense?

Who ever said that Sagan can't sprint?

its not that he cannot sprint,its he cannot sprint after hard race

which btw is not true for quite some time now

 

[Jancouver]

A one for LS :lol:

 

[Durden93]

Re: Re:

@Red Rick

"Make something happen". Bit easy, huh? Heard Terpstra's interview? It was impossible to ride away as a marked man here, that's why he gave up after going twice and told Leezer to go. You seriously think Greg or Boonen or Roelandts could have ridden away?

The Belgians made that pace themselves.

If you don't try, you don't win.

The pace didn't ease off even when Naesen/Stuyven/Keukeleire were done. Today simply was a day for a fast finisher after a tough race.

Hmm, will this stop "Sagan can't sprint after a hard race" nonsense?

Unfortunately, probably not because people will say that the Italians/Belgians/Brits did all the work and he just sat in the wheels.

 

[Durden93]

Re:

A one for LS :lol:

Clearly Sagan is showing his disgust for the sport by enthusiastically celebrating this monstrosity of a world championships. He must be stopped.

 

[Gigs_98]

Re: Re:

Who ever said that Sagan can't sprint?

its not that he cannot sprint,its he cannot sprint after hard race

which btw is not true for quite some time now

His problem isn't that he can't sprint after a hard race, but that he can't sprint after a big effort and that is simply true. Watch Omloop, E3 or Quebec and you can hardly say thats not the case.

 

[yaco]

Re: Re:

@Red Rick

"Make something happen". Bit easy, huh? Heard Terpstra's interview? It was impossible to ride away as a marked man here, that's why he gave up after going twice and told Leezer to go. You seriously think Greg or Boonen or Roelandts could have ridden away?

The Belgians made that pace themselves.

If you don't try, you don't win.

The pace didn't ease off even when Naesen/Stuyven/Keukeleire were done. Today simply was a day for a fast finisher after a tough race.

Hmm, will this stop "Sagan can't sprint after a hard race" nonsense?

Who ever said that Sagan can't sprint?

Look through this thread - Think I was the only one to select Sagan on this forum.

 

[ILovecycling]

Considering Im already in winter cycling hybernation, this is a nice news for me lol
Sagz is a monster, we all know that.

 

[Broth3r]

Re: Re:

Slovak Barbosa

That's just low.

Anyway, at the end of the day, I can respect almost any sporting opinion on an athlete. But of course, this has nothing to do with that.