More lame Russia bashing

[AlbineVespuzzio]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympism

2. The goal of Olympism is to place sport at the service of the harmonious development of humankind, with a view to promoting a peaceful society concerned with the preservation of human dignity.

4. The practice of sport is a human right. Every individual must have the possibility of practising sport, without discrimination of any kind and in the Olympic spirit, which requires mutual understanding with a spirit of friendship, solidarity and fair play.

6. The enjoyment of the rights and freedoms set forth in this Olympic Charter shall be secured without discrimination of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, sexual orientation, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status.

 

[MarkvW]

Sad how Russia dopes its athletes. Cold-hearted monsters can't even learn from the tragic aftermath of East German doping.

 

[movingtarget]

4. The practice of sport is a human right. Every individual must have the possibility of practising sport, without discrimination of any kind and in the Olympic spirit, which requires mutual understanding with a spirit of friendship, solidarity and FAIR PLAY.

I am guessing that turning up doped to the gills is not fair play ? Nor is having government run doping labs.This was the opportunity for the IOC to send a strong message to everyone and there may have been some innocent victims in the Russian team but probably a minority. The evidence is there but even allowing some athletes to compete as neutral athletes is a cop out. No one is saying that other athletes are not doping but does every country have industrial scale doping with the government's blessing ?

 

[AlbineVespuzzio]

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4. The practice of sport is a human right. Every individual must have the possibility of practising sport, without discrimination of any kind and in the Olympic spirit, which requires mutual understanding with a spirit of friendship, solidarity and FAIR PLAY.

I am guessing that turning up doped to the gills is not fair play ? Nor is having government run doping labs.This was the opportunity for the IOC to send a strong message to everyone and there may have been some innocent victims in the Russian team but probably a minority. The evidence is there but even allowing some athletes to compete as neutral athletes is a cop out.

you fail to understand the meaning. It's about not discriminating based on a random criteria like nationality.

Some russian athletes dope. Therefore, all russians athletes should be banned.

That's wrong. Against the olympic spirit. It's not that hard to get: try using reason.

 

[AlbineVespuzzio]

No one is saying that other athletes are not doping but does every country have industrial scale doping with the government's blessing ?

What the *** are you talking about? You're just making stuff up, dude..

 

[AlbineVespuzzio]

This was the opportunity for the IOC to send a strong message to everyone and there may have been some innocent victims in the Russian team but probably a minority.

You don't believe in human rights, as long as the bad guy gets executed, who cares if innocent people go to the chair, right?

What's new?

 

[movingtarget]

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This was the opportunity for the IOC to send a strong message to everyone and there may have been some innocent victims in the Russian team but probably a minority.

You don't believe in human rights, as long as the bad guy gets executed, who cares if innocent people go to the chair, right?

What's new?

You are right. In this case I don't care. Not because they are Russian but because the problem is so huge and if honest athletes care they would come forward anyway or is that being too obvious in the 21st century. The Russia is victim rubbish is getting a bit tiresome across all facets of society not only sports. And don't call me dude.

 

[robow7]

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[/quote] if honest (Russian) athletes care they would come forward anyway or is that being too obvious in the 21st century. [/quote]

Only if they enjoyed spending their days in a nasty northerly climate or worse

 

[gillan1969]

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4. The practice of sport is a human right. Every individual must have the possibility of practising sport, without discrimination of any kind and in the Olympic spirit, which requires mutual understanding with a spirit of friendship, solidarity and FAIR PLAY.

I am guessing that turning up doped to the gills is not fair play ? Nor is having government run doping labs.This was the opportunity for the IOC to send a strong message to everyone and there may have been some innocent victims in the Russian team but probably a minority. The evidence is there but even allowing some athletes to compete as neutral athletes is a cop out. No one is saying that other athletes are not doping but does every country have industrial scale doping with the government's blessing ?

no other countries have doping at arm's length......

Russia left their fingerprints at the scene of the crime

other countries have their 'men' in position at the fingerprint lab and as the chief of police

or as Henry Hill might say...other countries are more 'organised'

 

[BullsFan22]

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4. The practice of sport is a human right. Every individual must have the possibility of practising sport, without discrimination of any kind and in the Olympic spirit, which requires mutual understanding with a spirit of friendship, solidarity and FAIR PLAY.

I am guessing that turning up doped to the gills is not fair play ? Nor is having government run doping labs.This was the opportunity for the IOC to send a strong message to everyone and there may have been some innocent victims in the Russian team but probably a minority. The evidence is there but even allowing some athletes to compete as neutral athletes is a cop out. No one is saying that other athletes are not doping but does every country have industrial scale doping with the government's blessing ?

no other countries have doping at arm's length......

Russia left their fingerprints at the scene of the crime

other countries have their 'men' in position at the fingerprint lab and as the chief of police

or as Henry Hill might say...other countries are more 'organised'

No other countries have doping at arm's length? So US authorities wiping away hundreds of doping positives and letting those same dopers compete and win medals isn't within 'arm's length?'

Russia left their fingertips at the scene of the crime? Do you believe everything you read in the media?

You must be one of those people that believes everything that they read/hear in the media. If tomorrow Obama came out and said that this was all a farce, would you believe in that too?

 

[gillan1969]

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4. The practice of sport is a human right. Every individual must have the possibility of practising sport, without discrimination of any kind and in the Olympic spirit, which requires mutual understanding with a spirit of friendship, solidarity and FAIR PLAY.

I am guessing that turning up doped to the gills is not fair play ? Nor is having government run doping labs.This was the opportunity for the IOC to send a strong message to everyone and there may have been some innocent victims in the Russian team but probably a minority. The evidence is there but even allowing some athletes to compete as neutral athletes is a cop out. No one is saying that other athletes are not doping but does every country have industrial scale doping with the government's blessing ?

no other countries have doping at arm's length......

Russia left their fingerprints at the scene of the crime

other countries have their 'men' in position at the fingerprint lab and as the chief of police

or as Henry Hill might say...other countries are more 'organised'

No other countries have doping at arm's length? So US authorities wiping away hundreds of doping positives and letting those same dopers compete and win medals isn't within 'arm's length?'

Russia left their fingertips at the scene of the crime? Do you believe everything you read in the media?

You must be one of those people that believes everything that they read/hear in the media. If tomorrow Obama came out and said that this was all a farce, would you believe in that too?

which is why grammer is important...my mother will be turning in her grave

"no, other countries....."

but yes I'm really stupid and gullable and and and...what was the question?

 

[movingtarget]

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if honest (Russian) athletes care they would come forward anyway or is that being too obvious in the 21st century. [/quote]

Only if they enjoyed spending their days in a nasty northerly climate or worse[/quote]

It would be a waste of time obviously reporting it to Russian authorities but there are other places and likely they would have to leave the country before the death threats started, as the Russian runner did with her husband and child. Northern clime or shallow grave would be the alternatives I suppose or go to a country where life is not so cheap and try and start again.

 

[AlbineVespuzzio]

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This was the opportunity for the IOC to send a strong message to everyone and there may have been some innocent victims in the Russian team but probably a minority.

You don't believe in human rights, as long as the bad guy gets executed, who cares if innocent people go to the chair, right?

What's new?

You are right. In this case I don't care. Not because they are Russian but because the problem is so huge and if honest athletes care they would come forward anyway or is that being too obvious in the 21st century. The Russia is victim rubbish is getting a bit tiresome across all facets of society not only sports. And don't call me dude.

Of course I'm right, I merely rewrote what you had said. And I get it too: racism is more pervasive in society than the age of political correctness sometimes leads us to think. It's not pretty, but denying its existence doesn't help either.

Anyways, it seems that you lost :lol:
Maybe in 4 years?

 

[Robert5091]

http://www.bbc.com/sport/olympics/36898590
Russian drug cheats will be competing at next month's Olympic Games despite efforts to target them, according to the whistleblowers who highlighted the country's state-sponsored doping.

The International Olympic Committee has asked governing bodies to ban Russians either implicated in a recent report into doping, or previously sanctioned.

But former Russian Anti-Doping Agency official Vitaly Stepanov and his 800m runner wife Yuliya told BBC Sport: "There will be athletes who have used doping from Russia in Rio."

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

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So very pleased to see that convicted cheat Zakarin is not going to Rio. I have no idea why these cheats are allowed to compete at all.

maybe because people deserve a 2nd chance. I'm amazed to talk to a person here who never made a mistake in his life

 

[BullsFan22]

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http://www.bbc.com/sport/olympics/36898590
Russian drug cheats will be competing at next month's Olympic Games despite efforts to target them, according to the whistleblowers who highlighted the country's state-sponsored doping.

The International Olympic Committee has asked governing bodies to ban Russians either implicated in a recent report into doping, or previously sanctioned.

But former Russian Anti-Doping Agency official Vitaly Stepanov and his 800m runner wife Yuliya told BBC Sport: "There will be athletes who have used doping from Russia in Rio."

 

[BullsFan22]

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http://www.bbc.com/sport/olympics/36898590
Russian drug cheats will be competing at next month's Olympic Games despite efforts to target them, according to the whistleblowers who highlighted the country's state-sponsored doping.

The International Olympic Committee has asked governing bodies to ban Russians either implicated in a recent report into doping, or previously sanctioned.

But former Russian Anti-Doping Agency official Vitaly Stepanov and his 800m runner wife Yuliya told BBC Sport: "There will be athletes who have used doping from Russia in Rio."

Of course there will be, so will there be from other countries. Real breakthrough comment there form the Stepanovs! The US track and field is filled with suspicious athletes and plenty of them have served suspensions (some multiple suspensions). Yet they will all compete. Well, those that have qualified. Should Gatlin, Gay and Merritt, for example, get to compete in Rio? Merritt failed three tests, served a reduced ban and right after he came back, ran as good as he ever has. So too, Gatlin and Gay.

Anyway, Stepanova is probably salty that she doesn't get to go, as she herself was busted and served a suspension.

I don't have a problem keeping Russians that failed tests before, even those that served their suspensions, but we should be consistent. Any athlete that is qualified to go to Rio, that previously had a suspension due to doping infringement(s) should not be allowed to compete. Agreed? Oh but wait, Russia's doping is 'state-sponsored,' so no, it's 'not the same doping!'

And what about the latest reports of failed dope tests in 2008 and 2012? According to the reports, it's more than just one country that's implicated, and in different sports. Quite a few medalists involved.

 

[AlbineVespuzzio]

Just a quick reminder of what Coe's and the IAAF decision are going to deprive us in the Olympic Games:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwJsmDowiYU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POckWq-93Uo

She serves as a symbol of the unfairness of the decision, not just because of her superior technique (unmatchable, even to most men specialists), but also because this discipline is one of those where drugs are of little use (they probably all use something to increase muscle strenght, but the difference maker is the technique)

 

[AlbineVespuzzio]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKN_tyOWT90

and it was probably the last chance to do so. She's not even of full russian ethnicity..

 

[TheSpud]

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Just a quick reminder of what Coe's and the IAAF decision are going to deprive us in the Olympic Games:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwJsmDowiYU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POckWq-93Uo

She serves as a symbol of the unfairness of the decision, not just because of her superior technique (unmatchable, even to most men specialists), but also because this discipline is one of those where drugs are of little use (they probably all use something to increase muscle strenght, but the difference maker is the technique)

How do you know that? Are you a pole vault expert? Do you know the effect doping has on them (or not)?

In my view the only reason she should be there is because she is great eye candy. But if she's a doper (ie named in that report, etc) then she should be out. Frankly I am massively surprised the IOC copped out (well maybe I'm not). Anyone who is under the auspices of RUSADA at this Olympics should be banned based on what has been revealed. This isn't a few dopers, or a coach or two. This is systematic, state sponsored doping and manipulation of samples. There is no excuse here - they should be out.

 

[AlbineVespuzzio]

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Just a quick reminder of what Coe's and the IAAF decision are going to deprive us in the Olympic Games:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwJsmDowiYU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POckWq-93Uo

She serves as a symbol of the unfairness of the decision, not just because of her superior technique (unmatchable, even to most men specialists), but also because this discipline is one of those where drugs are of little use (they probably all use something to increase muscle strenght, but the difference maker is the technique)

How do you know that? Are you a pole vault expert? Do you know the effect doping has on them (or not)?

it seems kind of obvious the reasoning: the best vaulters are invariably the ones with best technique. That's what makes the difference. It's a discipline that requires technique, that's it. Not even in the kindest ways can it be considered it has an endurance component. At most they might benefit from increased muscle.

they should be out.

Who's "they"? Did she dope?

 

[AlbineVespuzzio]

She is one of only nine athletes (along with Valerie Adams, Usain Bolt, Veronica Campbell-Brown, Jacques Freitag, Kirani James, Jana Pittman, Dani Samuels, and David Storl) to win world championships at the youth, junior, and senior level of an athletic event.

Not a special athlete. She's a "they". Out with her.

 

[BullsFan22]

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/sports/2015/08/11/more-sports/conte-says-coverup-protected-big-stars-seoul-games/

 

[movingtarget]

No one will want to host the Olympics in the future it's a farce. Corruption in the building of the Olympic village and surrounds means the accommodation is rarely up to scratch and already falling to pieces because it is built on the cheap. Look at the World Cup and all of the issues with the new stadiums. A lot of countries did not even turn a profit hosting the Olympics and as the doping gets worse people will lose even more interest. IOC.......... file next to FIFA. A bunch of bureaucratic bandits who know exactly what they are doing when countries like Russia, Dubai and Brazil get to host big sporting events, the fertile field of corruption could not have been better prepared for them.

 

[AlbineVespuzzio]

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No one will want to host the Olympics in the future it's a farce. Corruption in the building of the Olympic village and surrounds means the accommodation is rarely up to scratch and already falling to pieces because it is built on the cheap. Look at the World Cup and all of the issues with the new stadiums. A lot of countries did not even turn a profit hosting the Olympics and as the doping gets worse people will lose even more interest. IOC.......... file next to FIFA. A bunch of bureaucratic bandits who know exactly what they are doing when countries like Russia, Dubai and Brazil get to host big sporting events, the fertile field of corruption could not have been better prepared for them.

Because only western countries organizing sporting events would be indication of equal treatment and of absence of corruption. Got it.

And it's not Dubai, =edited=, it's Qatar