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Benotti69 said:
absolutely_not said:
@sniper - regarding the link between cycling and F1 and the implication that it's related to mechanical doping : that would mean hundreds of people in the known. For years. For almost 20 years. And not a single person who came forward. (And don't talk to me about Varjas. He provided absolutely nothing) Not a former employee (engineer, mechanic, assistant) who was let go and want revenge? Not an old man now in his seventies wanting to clean his conscience? No one willing to monetize the scoop?
Compare that to the number of people who had came forward about doping (Emma O'reilly, Swart, Simeoni, etc, etc...)
Motors are not the affair of 3 or 4 guys. It requires a whole team.
Keep digging, you are good at this. But all this articles about bike technologies (Hincapie's one for exemple) are no evidences at all. IMO it's quite the contrary : On the one hand it's impossible that so much people are involved for so long and not a rumour about it came out. On the other hand, it doesn't really make sence they focus so much on their bike if the guys who construct them are kept in the dark about the main "ingredient"
F1 is an extremely secretive sport. They protect their knowledge better than any other sports that i can think of. If a small group of people were working on building small electric motors there is a good chance that secret would be kept. These people's jobs depend on them being able to keep stuff like this secret.
People came forward over a long period about Armstrong's doping because the guy is a major idiot and treats people badly. Even his Mother admitted he is an *******. Also because he treated people badly they decided enough. But also people saw the damage to careers after coming forward.
I think motor use is prevalent. I think a lot of the riders dont know they are using it. TTs for example where it could be controlled via the car close behind. A rider might just think he was having a super day.....
Prevalent? Prevalent = "widespread; of wide extent or occurrence; in general use or acceptance."
Here's why I'm incredulous on the motor issue: If something as nefarious as motors are being used for quite sometime now, don't you think someone with first hand knowledge (e.g., rider, mechanic, staff member) would have come foward by now? I would think someone with direct evidence who finds the idea of motors in cycling repugnant would break and come foward. Perhaps someone who wants to make a name for himself, who could go on and eventually write a book making some big $$$ (now that wouldn't be a first...Lol).
I would also think that if it had been successful with a few riders initially (as far back as the first rider(s) were suspected), most other riders and teams would catch on and the risk of just "one" rider or team getting caught goes up exponentially. Similar to when EPO was introduced into peloton, it didn't take long for virtually everyone to start using it and it was no secret anymore. If a significant number of riders are using motors that's a lot of people involved; mechanics, team staff and the like. And where do they hide all these bikes at? The more motorized bikes, the more they could become unaccounted for and eventually discovered.
Historically, doping scandals & secrets in sports have been hard to conceal for very long with whistleblowers or hard evidence invariably coming out. For example, there's the Festina Affair, Puerto, Oil for Drugs, BALCO scandal (which was catastrophic for Marion Jones), the Sochi Olympic scandal (secret compartments to conceal switched-out samples, Russian Gov't Agents posing as lab techs, on-site prepared drug cocktails), and the whistleblower who initiated the Ard recordings on the Russian state-sponsored PED program for T&F (devastating for Russian athletics which may never recover in the foreseeable future).
Perhaps it just good old-fashioned & carefully managed micro-doping; EPO (except in Cardoso's case...Lol), BBs, T/steriods, HGH & TUE drugs galore. And some of the more difficult to detect substances such as AICAR & the GH peptides could be popular (according to the CIRC report, AICAR is widely used in the peloton).
However, I could all be wrong as you guys know a hell of a lot more about cycling than I do. It would just be more convincing if one, just one, top rider or team were to get implicated.
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