Alberto Contador called, he's pushing record numbers in training and having good sensationsCav winning loads of stages, big GC gaps and hub motor nonsense? It really is 10 years ago!
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Alberto Contador called, he's pushing record numbers in training and having good sensationsCav winning loads of stages, big GC gaps and hub motor nonsense? It really is 10 years ago!
Of course motor doping is in use, it was even in use back in 2010 with cancellara and breschel, breschel who was fuming after flanders since he got the wrong spare bike, the same race where cancellara litteraly motored away from boonen (go figure). Also Sky was notorius for motor usage, just watch Poels here motoring away up the Angliru lol.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEsH8F1Hvns
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The other thing about these videos that leaves me very skeptical is that they don't zoom out. OK, there's the hub, show us the rest of the system. Ride it around to show us that it actually works.Wouldn't really dismiss a Pierre Carrey article as a Swiss rag but ok
Some journalists showing motor tech today:
View: https://twitter.com/thierryvildary/status/1416356438897799169
View: https://twitter.com/cyclingpro/status/1416356365136801792
I mean, I can see individuals using motors to win. But it mainly fails to explain why the whole peloton is going faster
What "first" altitude training camp? He had at least 4 in the last 12 months so I am curious what exactly do you mean.
Je repars dès demain (lundi) pour un rappel d'altitude. C'est la première année que je vais faire ça, j'avais envie d'essayer, c'est l'année ou jamais. »
Correction: Femka was CX not XC.I have a hard time believing that motorized doping is being used in a pro peleton.
Can someone explain to me how that would work? Questions I have:
I'm sure it happened in the history of cycling, I think of that Cancellara acceleration, but there's also real proof, that XC rider woman who got caught. But see, it's so ridiculously easy to get caught that I don't believe it's happening. Unless someone can tell me how...
- I want to see an example of a motor being used in a pro-bike, how does it look? can we buy it?
- If we can't buy it, who makes these things?
- If someone of the radar (so no Shimano or whatever) makes these things in his basement, how advanced are they?
- There are bike checks right? It seems to me nearly impossible to hide a motor in your bike. Especially now they use X-ray gear. So how would they NOT find the motor? Swap the bikes?
- If they swap the bikes, is everybody turning a blind eye when that happens?
- This should be the easiest catch for police and justice. Just get all the bikes and turn them inside out. So isn't the suggestion that motorized bike doping is being used a bit unrealistic?
Somewhat off topic, and I might post elsewhere, but if the movistar documentaries accurately indicate how they run their team, then they could perform a lot better! KnuckleheadsYes exactly, it's a small detail.
From the quote, I can only gather that this was the first year that Gaudu went to altitude post Dauphine, not that FDJ doesn't do it out of some principle.
And talking about budgets, as you have noted yourself, Jumbo are mid-range. So obviously it's not really about budgets alone. I mean if we go by L'Equipe numbers 15M out of the 50M of Ineos budget was spent on just 5 riders. The main budget difference comes from rider salaries and you can't automatically assume that a team with x times the overall budget would have x times the training budget as well.
All in all, the whole 'FDJ are behind the curve' seems like an updated version of the 'French are just lazy' line from 20 years ago. They don't have the Ineos budget and gasp didn't send Gaudu to altitude pre-Tour before, but it's stretch to assume that they are behind the curve and should 'invariably be getting trounced'.
I can’t answer your questions but I suspect there is something more complex going on than a straightforward motor in the way we think of it. Maybe something magnetically charged or in the cleats of the riders for all we know (some have suggested a water bottle battery, which could also fool temperature cameras). That way they could have an innocuous looking motor while the power source is impossible to find. I’d also suspect they only use it on key stages or when they have reason to believe it’s easier to get away with.I have a hard time believing that motorized doping is being used in a pro peleton.
Can someone explain to me how that would work? Questions I have:
I'm sure it happened in the history of cycling, I think of that Cancellara acceleration, but there's also real proof, that XC rider woman who got caught. But see, it's so ridiculously easy to get caught that I don't believe it's happening. Unless someone can tell me how...
- I want to see an example of a motor being used in a pro-bike, how does it look? can we buy it?
- If we can't buy it, who makes these things?
- If someone of the radar (so no Shimano or whatever) makes these things in his basement, how advanced are they?
- There are bike checks right? It seems to me nearly impossible to hide a motor in your bike. Especially now they use X-ray gear. So how would they NOT find the motor? Swap the bikes?
- If they swap the bikes, is everybody turning a blind eye when that happens?
- This should be the easiest catch for police and justice. Just get all the bikes and turn them inside out. So isn't the suggestion that motorized bike doping is being used a bit unrealistic?
I can’t answer your questions but I suspect there is something more complex going on than a straightforward motor in the way we think of it. Maybe something magnetically charged or in the cleats of the riders for all we know (some have suggested a water bottle battery, which could also fool temperature cameras). That way they could have an innocuous looking motor while the power source is impossible to find. I’d also suspect they only use it on key stages or when they have reason to believe it’s easier to get away with.
Explains Team Sky’s success. They were secret agents the whole time!Are you telling me when I thought I was watching bike races I was actually watching the newest James Bond?
I’m not convinced motor doping is the primary kind of cheating but we’ve seen many obvious looking examples of it and there’s clearly a lot of cheating going on that isn’t being caught, whether it be old fashioned drugs or something else. It’s worth at least considering even if not common I think.Are you telling me when I thought I was watching bike races I was actually watching the newest James Bond?
In seriousness, though, where do these suspicions really come from? What speaks for motor doping instead of the old-fashioned pharma kind?
I seriously doubt it, because it's so completely antithetical to the concept of the sport that it can't be argued away the way that doping can and frequently is. It would be like Rosie Ruiz type notoriety. The problem is, we only have the one example to point to, and Femke van den Driessche said very early on that she wasn't going to be coming back, and to be honest given the whole situation and all that had gone on before that with the family, it's hardly surprising she wouldn't want to subject herself to it to be the guinea pig.I wonder if you could ever recover your career if you got caught motor doping? It seems to me that if Valverde/Contador (just naming two high profile busts) would have had a way harder time getting embraced by the public again if that were the case. Seems riskier to me at least in that regard.
I have a hard time believing that motorized doping is being used in a pro peleton.
Can someone explain to me how that would work? Questions I have:
I'm sure it happened in the history of cycling, I think of that Cancellara acceleration, but there's also real proof, that XC rider woman who got caught. But see, it's so ridiculously easy to get caught that I don't believe it's happening. Unless someone can tell me how...
- I want to see an example of a motor being used in a pro-bike, how does it look? can we buy it?
- If we can't buy it, who makes these things?
- If someone of the radar (so no Shimano or whatever) makes these things in his basement, how advanced are they?
- There are bike checks right? It seems to me nearly impossible to hide a motor in your bike. Especially now they use X-ray gear. So how would they NOT find the motor? Swap the bikes?
- If they swap the bikes, is everybody turning a blind eye when that happens?
- This should be the easiest catch for police and justice. Just get all the bikes and turn them inside out. So isn't the suggestion that motorized bike doping is being used a bit unrealistic?
I completely agree. If the UCI wanted to completely address doubts, they would also just take some of these bikes out for a spin. Between that and all the other measures, it would be very hard to hide it. I would take a bike out for a ride before I chop it apart (likes Roglic last year).I agree. On bike checks, if they are actually done by any decent mechanic it would be completely impossible to conceal motors (or an energy recovery device).
When I raced BMX as a kid all our bikes were scrutineered before every meet for safety. Yes looking for motors requires more effort but this is professional sport it isn't difficult nor expensive. Use of X-Ray machines would make it easier to mass check bikes. But if you only check the winners you don't even need that.
Well there's not the possibility of health risks like with pharma-doping, unless the others catch you at it. I would straight up kick somebody's ass if I found out they beat me using a motor.Are you telling me when I thought I was watching bike races I was actually watching the newest James Bond?
In seriousness, though, where do these suspicions really come from? What speaks for motor doping instead of the old-fashioned pharma kind?
Not the magnets again, please. If you're going to suggest something like this then please read through the thread. Please.I can’t answer your questions but I suspect there is something more complex going on than a straightforward motor in the way we think of it. Maybe something magnetically charged or in the cleats of the riders for all we know (some have suggested a water bottle battery, which could also fool temperature cameras). That way they could have an innocuous looking motor while the power source is impossible to find. I’d also suspect they only use it on key stages or when they have reason to believe it’s easier to get away with.
I do see the appeal of magnets tbh.Not the magnets again, please. If you're going to suggest something like this then please read through the thread. Please.
I don't think you're alone there!Well there's not the possibility of health risks like with pharma-doping, unless the others catch you at it. I would straight up kick somebody's ass if I found out they beat me using a motor.