Motor doping thread

[DarkBlue]

Haven't read or watched anything to support that. Might have missed it

Think in the Ghost Podcast he contacted all the Race Organisers to see how many tests were done and the results were significantly less than the UCI claimed - including not 1 bike being tested in either of the 2023 Giro ITTs.

 

[Rob5091]

There's a man going around checking for motors at the Vuelta - on Facebook at UCI checking for motors.

 

[E_F_]

There's a man going around checking for motors at the Vuelta - on Facebook at UCI checking for motors.

Still at it with the iPads...

 

[loot_00]

After watching the Netflix docu and seeing Grischa Niermann answer the doping questions and seeing Jonas' reaction of his TTT (like "I was crazy quick on the flat"), I am really intrigued by the motor doping theory. What if Jumbo preps like the TTT bikes with some fancy new mega next level motor, that is undetectable, just for a few watts, and doesn't even tells it to the riders. That would be insane. But watch Grischa wenn he says "I would have to kill you" for the what's your secret ... I mean, he is no actor, his whole expression just looked super akward.
Just dropping it. It's a theory,,,

 

[houtdffan]

is Visma the USAF or USSF where it only lets the public know about 40 year old crap, while keeping their actual abilities secret or something?

 

[Rob5091]

Nicholas Raudenski gets his snitch program - is there talk in the peloton?
https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/uc...owers-pro-riders-banned-from-under-23-worlds/

The UCI has announced that it will offer financial incentives in a bid to encourage whistleblowers to provide information on the use of motors in cycling.


The governing body outlined the details of its ‘rewards programme’ for information on technological fraud on Friday after the scheme was ratified by the UCI Management Committee at the Road World Championships in Zürich this week.


“The aim of the programme will be to encourage people with information on this subject to share it – confidentially – with the UCI in exchange for a financial reward,” the UCI said. A whistleblowing programme with possible financial rewards was previously initiated across all sports by the World Anti-Doping Agency in 2016. This new UCI policy, specific to technological fraud in cycling, was outlined in a document published on Friday, which stated that information to help target testing and investigations would be “facilitated through financial motivation, assistance, and/or reward for information".

 

[Andre]

They need informants? Just test the bikes no?

 

[Rob5091]

They need informants? Just test the bikes no?

They do and often (see https://velo.outsideonline.com/road...ests-for-technological-fraud-and-anti-doping/ for example), but have n't found even a AA battery yet.

Maybe this is turning into one of those great "bogey men" scares that keep a few people in well paid jobs and always the threat of a possibility that someone stupid enough to try racing with a motor, will keep the UCI busy and "fighting the good fight" - "never found a motor!"

 

[zlev11]

if they're looking for informants and offering a reward then they must know something is out there

 

[Ripper]

if they're looking for informants and offering a reward then they must know something is out there

That is my take. Like, if testing the bikes works so well, then what is the issue? Or is it the scourge of local masters racing cheats they are trying to nail? Because that group just takes good old fashion drugs

 

[Rob5091]

if they're looking for informants and offering a reward then they must know something is out there

Either that or it's one big distraction from guys and gals using the latest "rocket fuel" and WADA have no test for it. I can think of a few wealthy teams who might be willing to donate to the UCI's anti-motor doping crusade.

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

if they're looking for informants and offering a reward then they must know something is out there

Cue some low level Belgian rider gets busted, and somebody gets $5000 US.

 

[Oldermanish]

Nicholas Raudenski gets his snitch program - is there talk in the peloton?
https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/uc...owers-pro-riders-banned-from-under-23-worlds/

I don't follow the UCI's diligence on All Things about Cheating...but I don't recall them offering anyone incentives to bust drug programs. Maybe because the drugs land them in jail and the motors don't run afoul of any current legal violations?
You could sue a rider and team for fraud with moto doping but that's a stretch for financial recovery.

How about offering promoters a reward for no crashes on their courses involving road furniture or heinously unmarked, off-camber corners?

 

[Rob5091]

I don't follow the UCI's diligence on All Things about Cheating...but I don't recall them offering anyone incentives to bust drug programs. Maybe because the drugs land them in jail and the motors don't run afoul of any current legal violations?

WADA and the NDOs are the people involved with "incentives" for drug infringements. This becomes quickly something for law enforcement.

 

[Oldermanish]

WADA and the NDOs are the people involved with "incentives" for drug infringements. This becomes quickly something for law enforcement.

OK; but drugs used within national laws that aren't prescribed or legally distributed becomes the basis for prosecution. Sporting fraud requires a like violation of accepted laws, usually confirmed by accepted testing.

E bikes are legal. Motors are legal. They already pretend to test bikes for the presence in competition and ban riders that are "caught". The follow up for meaningful punishment is sporting fraud and fines related to competitive licensing charters for pros. This would suggest, under current governing practices that an informant would be rewarded for advance or solid evidence of use in competition. They'd still have to test the bikes.
I guess it seems complicated to "sting" a competitor with a situational enforcement unless an informant knows in advance or testing is improved. The ripest area for cheating would seem to be where we see many caught: amateur racing, particularly masters racing. You'd probably find many in gran fondos as well.
The reality seems to be mostly window dressing.