As said before, this is not relevant at all in assessing such a performance. It's only about geometry of the stairs (combination of step size and spacing) and bunny-hop skills. A bit of speed to start with helps, but too much speed is highly disadvanteous as it would require an infeasibly high hop-frequency.sniper said:Still, the stairs go up pretty steeply (10%-ish?) and he seemed to have little speed coming out of the curve.
I will try to find an article that I read last year about how our brains prefer chaos over calm...adamfo said:
Well, it puts paid to any suggestions that the swiss clasicomano needed any mechanical assistance.sniper said:Spartacus taking gold sounds about right.
A true pioneer and innovator crowning his career.
How do you conclude that ? has done nothing all year and then goes out on Olympic Gold - nothing would stop him going out with that medal - mechanical assistance for sure. Do you really thing they are checking for motors in the Olympics ?carton said:Well, it puts paid to any suggestions that the swiss clasicomano needed any mechanical assistance.sniper said:Spartacus taking gold sounds about right.
A true pioneer and innovator crowning his career.
You could just take a look at photos of his Trek and consider how you would fit a motor in it. Yeah, very likely.Cycle Chic said:How do you conclude that ? has done nothing all year and then goes out on Olympic Gold - nothing would stop him going out with that medal - mechanical assistance for sure. Do you really thing they are checking for motors in the Olympics ?carton said:Well, it puts paid to any suggestions that the swiss clasicomano needed any mechanical assistance.sniper said:Spartacus taking gold sounds about right.
A true pioneer and innovator crowning his career.
lol, sounds like a brilliant summary of how UCI go about checking for motors.wrinklyvet said:...
You could just take a look at photos of his Trek and consider how you would fit a motor in it. Yeah, very likely.
So he starts about 15 secs quicker than Dumoulin.Tienus said:His split times are interesting if they are correct.
http://www.procyclingstats.com/race.php?id=171358
I can't speak for them. I know this is a dig, so well done.sniper said:lol, sounds like a brilliant summary of how UCI go about checking for motors.wrinklyvet said:...
You could just take a look at photos of his Trek and consider how you would fit a motor in it. Yeah, very likely.
Yikes, 1999 all over again. Those who say Lance dopes should say how he is doping or shut up.wrinklyvet said:...
However, have you ever contemplated the question of how you would instal a motor in a downtube that has an oval or elipse-shaped hole in the downtube, rather than a neat round hole? Would you cut a hole somewhere else and have it refinished by a carbon specialist? Or get Trek to build a motor in? Or mess about with wheel magnets etc? It's clearly not an easy matter and I just don't see how it is practicable. It's not enough to say that is naive to think it's impossible. Those who propound the practicality should say how it was done.
If they can't do this against Cancellara (or anyone else who may be in question) they should shut up. The Belgian girl's outfit was a piece of cake to understand compared with this problem.
Let me help you as to how this works.sniper said:Yikes, 1999 all over again. Those who say Lance dopes should say how he is doping or shut up.wrinklyvet said:...
However, have you ever contemplated the question of how you would instal a motor in a downtube that has an oval or elipse-shaped hole in the downtube, rather than a neat round hole? Would you cut a hole somewhere else and have it refinished by a carbon specialist? Or get Trek to build a motor in? Or mess about with wheel magnets etc? It's clearly not an easy matter and I just don't see how it is practicable. It's not enough to say that is naive to think it's impossible. Those who propound the practicality should say how it was done.
If they can't do this against Cancellara (or anyone else who may be in question) they should shut up. The Belgian girl's outfit was a piece of cake to understand compared with this problem.
If you are arguing that Cancellara couldn't possibly have used a motor, I think that ship has,sailed.wrinklyvet said:Let me help you as to how this works.sniper said:Yikes, 1999 all over again. Those who say Lance dopes should say how he is doping or shut up.wrinklyvet said:...
However, have you ever contemplated the question of how you would instal a motor in a downtube that has an oval or elipse-shaped hole in the downtube, rather than a neat round hole? Would you cut a hole somewhere else and have it refinished by a carbon specialist? Or get Trek to build a motor in? Or mess about with wheel magnets etc? It's clearly not an easy matter and I just don't see how it is practicable. It's not enough to say that is naive to think it's impossible. Those who propound the practicality should say how it was done.
If they can't do this against Cancellara (or anyone else who may be in question) they should shut up. The Belgian girl's outfit was a piece of cake to understand compared with this problem.
If we were talking about a road bike with a conventional frame I have no problems in seeing how it is possible.
You (and prior to that someone else) says Cancellara was using a motor.
I ask how that could be - how would you fit one in his particular bike?
You can't say but still believe you are right despite having no knowledge on this so you invoke the USPS meme.
You can't answer or you would do so. Therefore I don't believe you know and you are the naive one, not me.
Best to live in the world of practicalities rather than dogma.
I take it you don't know how to get one in this frame either, or what method he may have used?MarkvW said:If you are arguing that Cancellara couldn't possibly have used a motor, I think that ship has,sailed.wrinklyvet said:Let me help you as to how this works.sniper said:Yikes, 1999 all over again. Those who say Lance dopes should say how he is doping or shut up.wrinklyvet said:...
However, have you ever contemplated the question of how you would instal a motor in a downtube that has an oval or elipse-shaped hole in the downtube, rather than a neat round hole? Would you cut a hole somewhere else and have it refinished by a carbon specialist? Or get Trek to build a motor in? Or mess about with wheel magnets etc? It's clearly not an easy matter and I just don't see how it is practicable. It's not enough to say that is naive to think it's impossible. Those who propound the practicality should say how it was done.
If they can't do this against Cancellara (or anyone else who may be in question) they should shut up. The Belgian girl's outfit was a piece of cake to understand compared with this problem.
If we were talking about a road bike with a conventional frame I have no problems in seeing how it is possible.
You (and prior to that someone else) says Cancellara was using a motor.
I ask how that could be - how would you fit one in his particular bike?
You can't say but still believe you are right despite having no knowledge on this so you invoke the USPS meme.
You can't answer or you would do so. Therefore I don't believe you know and you are the naive one, not me.
Best to live in the world of practicalities rather than dogma.
I don't dismiss it if anyone can explain it - have you looked at the photos of this event? You imagine it is possible. Fair enough - we will have to agree to differ until someone does come up with an explanation of how to adapt such a frame. This just illustrates our different viewpoints - you don't care whether what you allege is likely from the viewpoint of practicality. You elevate professional cyclists and their teams to the realms of motor-doping gods who can do magic.sniper said:you don't know how he does it, and therefore you dismiss it.
so youre using your own knowledge of motorization as standard for the propeloton.
sounds legit.
that's been Pats and Verbruggens argument for years. "There's no way for Lance to beat the tests. It just cannot be done".
I didn't watch but looking at the profile, the segment in question was up and over the first real lump in the course. They all started relatively close to each other so must have all faced similar conditions. I heard it was wet and windy so is it possible that he made up a load of time with a killer decent and Dumoulin was taking it a bit easier for fear of busting himself up again?. Whatever happened to cause that much of a swing between those two guys should be fairly obvious. Stopping for a bike change wouldn't have caused that much of a difference if done well enough.sniper said:So he starts about 15 secs quicker than Dumoulin.Tienus said:His split times are interesting if they are correct.
http://www.procyclingstats.com/race.php?id=171358
Then at 19km he's suddenly down 8 secs to Dumoulin.
And then at 34km he's suddenly beating Dumoulin by 28 secs.
Seems somewhere between 19km and 34km he turns on the engine.
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