Teams & Riders Nairo Quintana discussion thread

[Ryo Hazuki]

there is quite abit of results from quintana of long flat itt's that he went full in, wc u23 when he was just first year u23 and rode very well, but also that year he became colombian u23 itt champion and all that before he started working with carmichael on his positioning. he already had tremendous position on bike, also in itt, also thanks to salda who taught him so much including downhilling and steering well. the itt this years tour he lost a lot because of tremendous wind. with 52-51 kg he's always going to suffer but in a hotter dry, not so windy itt he could do much better. if aso are smart though they will make again a hard course with not much flat itt or it will be too easy for froome. quintana can take froome in the mountains that has been proven

 

[Netserk]

there is quite abit of results from quintana of long flat itt's that he went full in, wc u23 when he was just first year u23 and rode very well, but also that year he became colombian u23 itt champion and all that before he started working with carmichael on his positioning. he already had tremendous position on bike, also in itt, also thanks to salda who taught him so much including downhilling and steering well. the itt this years tour he lost a lot because of tremendous wind. with 52-51 kg he's always going to suffer but in a hotter dry, not so windy itt he could do much better. if aso are smart though they will make again a hard course with not much flat itt or it will be too easy for froome. quintana can take froome in the mountains that has been proven

Really? :O

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Really? :O

well he only worked with him for a short while, carmichael worked a few times with colombia es pasison riders in 2010 I think. he improved especially positonings and tarining methods for some. also atapuma. however salda definitely did the most. he is one of the best trainers in the world no doubt

 

[JRanton]

there is quite abit of results from quintana of long flat itt's that he went full in, wc u23 when he was just first year u23 and rode very well, but also that year he became colombian u23 itt champion and all that before he started working with carmichael on his positioning. he already had tremendous position on bike, also in itt, also thanks to salda who taught him so much including downhilling and steering well. the itt this years tour he lost a lot because of tremendous wind. with 52-51 kg he's always going to suffer but in a hotter dry, not so windy itt he could do much better. if aso are smart though they will make again a hard course with not much flat itt or it will be too easy for froome. quintana can take froome in the mountains that has been proven

His ability to recover stage to stage in the third week was incredibly impressive. Now that he has finished on the podium and provided he remains closer to Froome I'm sure we will see him take more risks next year in the final week to go for the win. He probably needs to ride a bit more defensively in the first half of the race when Froome is at his strongest, or at least wait for the final climb. Hopefully Nibali will arrive with this year's form as he will also take risks having won two grand tours already and finished on the podium at the Tour.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

If he continues to progress he will become a climbing legend that is for sure. Beautiful to look at when he is climbing, absolutely extrodinary

 

[JRanton]

If he continues to progress he will become a climbing legend that is for sure. Beautiful to look at when he is climbing, absolutely extrodinary

Yes, beauty and the beast when compared with Froome.

 

[hfer07]

What is he doing riding the Tour of Britain? got paid to do so? makes no sense to me at all...

 

[Netserk]

What is he doing riding the Tour of Britain? got paid to do so? makes no sense to me at all...

Getting some race days before the worlds?

It's the only stage race in September other than the Vuelta.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

What is he doing riding the Tour of Britain? got paid to do so? makes no sense to me at all...

getting race rhythm obviously

 

[uphillstruggle]

What is he doing riding the Tour of Britain? got paid to do so? makes no sense to me at all...

There's also a mountain/hill top finish. But yeah, mainly race days before worlds.

 

[Contadoraus Schlecks]

The little legend chalks up another win.

I've heard it said that he can take Froome in the mountains. He is close but I'm not convinced. Think Froome could up his game when required

 

[Inquitus]

I love Quintana, but his climbing is at best on par with Froome's, and his TTing a long way off, in a straight up TDF fight he'll lose every time baring accident or misfortune hitting Froome.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

what? quintana is already better climber than froome. see final stages of the tour and he's only 23. quintana is the best climber I've sene since pantani. he will become a legend

 

[Contadoraus Schlecks]

what? quintana is already better climber than froome. see final stages of the tour and he's only 23. quintana is the best climber I've sene since pantani. he will become a legend

Froome had it in the bag by then. When it mattered Froome beat Quintana I.e. ventoux

 

[Escarabajo]

Froome had it in the bag by then. When it mattered Froome beat Quintana I.e. ventoux

The only difference I see is that Quintana lost to Froome in the couple of times that he attacked from far away. Had he been sheltered just like Froome, it could have been a different story. But we will never now anyway.

Let's wait for next Tour.

 

[Pricey_sky]

There is obviously very little separating them on the long climbs but Quintana must improve his TT if he is to beat Froome. There was very little flat TT this year, next year he may not be so lucky. He lost over 3 minute in just 33km's. How much could he lose if there is a 50km TT?

I'm delighted he I will get to see him ride the ToB if that is true!

 

[willbick]

Why is everyone going on about Quintana like he's the new messiah?! OK so he's a brilliant climber. Kittel's a brilliant sprinter but you dont talk about him like he's the 2nd coming!

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

Why is everyone going on about Quintana like he's the new messiah?! OK so he's a brilliant climber. Kittel's a brilliant sprinter but you dont talk about him like he's the 2nd coming!

climbing is more fun to watch

 

[Pricey_sky]

Why is everyone going on about Quintana like he's the new messiah?! OK so he's a brilliant climber. Kittel's a brilliant sprinter but you dont talk about him like he's the 2nd coming!

Not a messiah, just a very talented young man who has proved he is already one of the best climbers in the peleton. Just like Kittel is proving himself to be one of the best sprinters.

 

[Afrank]

Why is everyone going on about Quintana like he's the new messiah?! OK so he's a brilliant climber. Kittel's a brilliant sprinter but you dont talk about him like he's the 2nd coming!

Well...because he is the new messiah. He's the Colombian messiah that leads the new generation of great young climbers. He'll be delighting us for the next 15 years with epic Pantani-like mountain attacks.

And Quintana's performances in the mountains are more impressive then a simple sprint from Kittel.

 

[willbick]

oh i see. climbing is complex but sprinting is simple

 

[Afrank]

Climbing is harder, more exciting, and just generally more impressive then a sprint.

Not to diminish Kittel's achievements in any way, don't get me wrong, he was fantastic at the Tour. But Quintana attacking early in the mountains, trading blows with some of the best climbers in the world, riding much of the mountains solo, and winning on them is IMO more impressive and more exciting then Kittel's wins.

 

[willbick]

if thats yr criteria then i assume you were raving about Froomes performances too?

 

[Afrank]

Enjoying climbing more then sprinting doesn't mean I cheer for every climber. My opinion on Froome's performances in the mountains are that while they were strong and very good, they were also entirely expected. So they got boring pretty fast. And I just like Quintana much more then Froome, so of course I'm going to "rave" about him more.

 

[willbick]

fair enough. At least yr honest. personally i dont really understand why anyone would prefer quintana over froome. they are both great riders and seem like nice people. why the bias?