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Teams & Riders Nairo Quintana discussion thread

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I see you anyway don't understand what means to put even 2 minutes into Froome on the climbs (usual Froome who doesn't forget to eat like it happened on Alpe-d'Huez)... :cool: Froome was the best climber in the Tour. Difficulties with admitting that?
 
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airstream said:
I see you anyway don't understand what means to put even 2 minutes into Froome on the climbs (usual Froome who doesn't forget to eat like it happened on Alpe-d'Huez)... :cool: Froome was the best climber in the Tour. Difficulties with admitting that?

He wasnt.If you subtract lost time from TT, Quintana would have won.
 

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ILovecycling said:
Of course,its part of the race.TdF has 21 stages,not 20.

Yes, you are right in terms of math if you need that much. Though I prefer to have a look at the things considering circumstances which makes your Paris seconds calculation laughable. But I assure you if Froome had needed, he would have trampled Quintana in the Alps. Froome just had to let other guys feel worthy opponents to create seeing of fight and not to acquire enemies.
 
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airstream said:
I see you anyway don't understand what means to put even 2 minutes into Froome on the climbs (usual Froome who doesn't forget to eat like it happened on Alpe-d'Huez)... :cool: Froome was the best climber in the Tour. Difficulties with admitting that?

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They didn't dress him in polka dot for nothing. ;)

Realistically though, Neither were head and shoulders above the other in climbing. I'd probably rate them as fairly equal this Tour.
 

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Damn, did you see the Tour attentively? Anyone noticed how Froome closed a 40 meter gap in 4 pedal circles and then rode amain at Semnoz?

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Realistically though, Neither were head and shoulders above the other in climbing. I'd probably rate them as fairly equal this Tour.

Froome is way ahead by visual criterion and shock he brought into forum life after Ax 3 & Mont Ventoux. That was fun...Those nervous 'bhahahahhhha' while the opposite couldn't happen. It was great.
 
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Yes, you are right in terms of math if you need that much. Though I prefer to have a look at the things considering circumstances which makes your Paris seconds calculation laughable. But I assure you if Froome had needed, he would have trampled Quintana in the Alps. Froome just had to let other guys feel worthy opponents to create seeing of fight and not to acquire enemies.

Lol :D:D you always provide a lot of entertainment in the evenings here.;)
 
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airstream said:
Damn, did you see the Tour attentively? Anyone noticed how Froome closed a 40 meter gap in 4 pedal circles and then rode amain at Semnoz?



Froome is way ahead by visual criterion and shock he brought into forum life after Ax 3 & Mont Ventoux. That was fun...Those nervous 'bhahahahhhha' while the opposite couldn't happen. It was great.

I don't think he is way ahead in the mountains. Quintana may have equalled Froome on AX3 if he hadn't lept so early to try to disrupt sky (for the benefit of Valverde). Likewise Quintana attacked on Ventoux with something like 12k to go. Their physical abilities look to be similar IMHO. The Movistar tactics just did not allow Quintana to demonstrate his abilities. I.e. it may have been different if he had sat in a train until the competition was depleted then attack.
 
Can't wait to see Quintana in another year or 2 prepare as team leader and recon the climbs a little better as well. Also I hope they continue with a hilly parcours, it's just a better GC battle IMO.

Lastly what's with all the Quintana fanatics in the Nairo Quintana Discussion Thread :rolleyes:
 
A worthy GT winner should be able to climb and TT (on the flat). That is the test of the complete rider. Quintana is a top climber but he will never be even a reasonable flat TTer. For this reason he would not be a worthy GT winner imo, certainly not a worthy TdF winner. Which is not to say it cannot happen. On a silly parcours it is possible
 
Pentacycle said:
Should Froome have held back instead? The agreement was pathetic to begin with, Froome should've done all work by himself. On the other hand Quintana was pretty stupid to believe he could follow Froome to the line. Outsmarted by Froome, it's got to have been a first.

I think everyone here is overthinking this. Both Froome and Quintana should be happy working together and with the result since they have achieved their primary goal to put time into their rivals. Quintana was the bigger beneficiary of the cooperation since Froome did the majority of the pacing work between the two.

Quintana simply did not have the legs to follow Froome when Froome decided he has the legs to increase the pace to put even more time into Contador and Mollema. Quintana accepted that he's done all he can for the stage with Froome's help to put himself back into contention for the podium, and he cannot expect Froome to give up 30 seconds on Contador just to gift him the stage.

Don't forget Purito wasn't too far back in the final GC. Quintana would likely still had been 2nd without Froome pacing him on Ventoux, but the gap would have been uncomfortably close and Purito may have done Semnoz with a different strategy.
 
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A worthy GT winner should be able to climb and TT (on the flat). That is the test of the complete rider. Quintana is a top climber but he will never be even a reasonable flat TTer. For this reason he would not be a worthy GT winner imo, certainly not a worthy TdF winner. Which is not to say it cannot happen. On a silly parcours it is possible
How old are you?

So small riders can not be worthy winners pretty much. What kind of logic is that?

Is difficult, but you can never say that they can not be worthy winners.
 

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Contadoraus Schlecks said:
I don't think he is way ahead in the mountains. Quintana may have equalled Froome on AX3 if he hadn't lept so early to try to disrupt sky (for the benefit of Valverde). Likewise Quintana attacked on Ventoux with something like 12k to go. Their physical abilities look to be similar IMHO. The Movistar tactics just did not allow Quintana to demonstrate his abilities. I.e. it may have been different if he had sat in a train until the competition was depleted then attack.

You know there is a big big doubt that he would resist Froome's Ventoux move.
 
willbick said:
A worthy GT winner should be able to climb and TT (on the flat). That is the test of the complete rider. Quintana is a top climber but he will never be even a reasonable flat TTer. For this reason he would not be a worthy GT winner imo, certainly not a worthy TdF winner. Which is not to say it cannot happen. On a silly parcours it is possible

If Quintana wins the tour he will be a worthy winner. End of
 
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BigMac said:
ILoveCycling is personificated nationalism. You might also want to write each paragraph of your texts in yellow, blue and red

In case your'e Colombian ofc ;)

No,I'm not,im from europe so not even south america;)
I explain you my behaviour.With Alberto's slow decline (i still believe for renaissance next year) I decided to cheer for another cyclist(in this case group of cyclists) coz it is my nature to heavily cheer for someone,and I became lets say - a fanboy of new colombian generation of cyclist.Betancur,Duarte,Quintana,Atapuma etc. and even Skyboys like Henao and Uran.:)
 
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How old are you?

So small riders can not be worthy winners pretty much. What kind of logic is that?

Is difficult, but you can never say that they can not be worthy winners.
just remember "In 1976, I read that Lucien Van Impe (TDF '76) was 58 kg (128 lb)." That is one kilo more than Nairo
 

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Lol yeah... Wiggins is lower than forum Gods' ego. :p It was Wiggins who OWNED the forum pet Nibali on the climbs by means of Froomie.