Teams & Riders Nairo Quintana discussion thread

[cellardoor]

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And surely there's more evidence today's riders are riding clean. Yet the clinic is sometimes crowdier than PRR

I've started following this forum prior to your join date. I've created my first and only username in July 12 2013. I've respected your opinions and praised (offline) your thread intros. But this is too low for your standards IMO.

Hitch quoted him and changed his name from Ataraxus to Airstream. Naughty, but harmless fun in my view, except if it happens to me

 

[TomekA]

A lovely documentary on Nairito's preparation towards this coming Tour de France.

Enjoy


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONLzDf0mjE8&feature=youtu.be

Is there a version with english subtitles?

 

[LaFlorecita]

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And surely there's more evidence today's riders are riding clean. Yet the clinic is sometimes crowdier than PRR

I've started following this forum prior to your join date. I've created my first and only username in July 12 2013. I've respected your opinions and praised (offline) your thread intros. But this is too low for your standards IMO.

Hitch quoted him and changed his name from Ataraxus to Airstream. Naughty, but harmless fun in my view, except if it happens to me

Don't think Ataraxus is airstream, not the same posting style, airstream was on some other forum a few weeks ago and his posting style hasn't changed, lol

 

[Ataraxus]

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I've started following this forum prior to your join date. I've created my first and only username in July 12 2013. I've respected your opinions and praised (offline) your thread intros. But this is too low for your standards IMO.[/quote]

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Hitch quoted him and changed his name from Ataraxus to Airstream. Naughty, but harmless fun in my view, except if it happens to me [/quote]
Don't think Ataraxus is airstream, not the same posting style, airstream was on some other forum a few weeks ago and his posting style hasn't changed, lol [/quote]

Good. Now that people are convinced, let me gradually switch back to Airstream style

 

[Ryaguas]

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Don't think Ataraxus is airstream, not the same posting style, airstream was on some other forum a few weeks ago and his posting style hasn't changed, lol

Ataraxus isnt T4xus or something like that?

I always wonder why ppl have sockpuppets

 

[ILovecycling]

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Don't think Ataraxus is airstream, not the same posting style, airstream was on some other forum a few weeks ago and his posting style hasn't changed, lol

Ataraxus isnt T4xus or something like that?

I always wonder why ppl have sockpuppets

cuz they are *** up in the head


Also thanks for posting that video, I was searching it yesterday quite a lot cuz I knew it had been published but I wasnt succesful.

 

[Taxus4a]

A lovely documentary on Nairito's preparation towards this coming Tour de France.

Enjoy


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONLzDf0mjE8&feature=youtu.be

Is there a version with english subtitles?

It is not the best "Informe Robinson" about cycling...

Most interesting things for me:

He is not an poor indian who needed bike to go to school, althougt he came from a humble farmer family.

He is very ambitious (I didnt think that).. in the good way.

Acording to Unzue there are another good climbers in Colombia but the mental strengh of Quintana makes the difference.

They talk about his firts amazing test, something well know...

He is a climber, thin, small, with an amazing power/weight, and he live at more altitude that any of the climb in France...so as higher, longer and step is a climb, better for him... logical.

They said if a rider is good has 5.5-6 watts/kg, but he has 6.4-6.5 watt/kg.

He was very worried becouse riders didnt respect him on the peloton, becouse he is small and they think he could start a cut in the wind...but he hit Karpets once with his fist to get respect and be allowed to be on the front.

Thay didnt talk about Juan pistolas, so a bad report

There is an european man on the video who is married with a colombian girl and he said he put Nairo to his son for him and he said: You are going to win this Tour.

And more or lees is everything...

 

[Iker_Baqueiro]

I just hope there are no accidents and that it can be seen if Quintana is for real or not. There's a lot of people hyping him up as a semi god, but, I don't know why. He won the Giro only because of the neutralization fiasco.

 

[Billie]

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I just hope there are no accidents and that it can be seen if Quintana is for real or not. There's a lot of people hyping him up as a semi god, but, I don't know why. He won the Giro only because of the neutralization fiasco.

you're joking right?

 

[ILovecycling]

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I just hope there are no accidents and that it can be seen if Quintana is for real or not. There's a lot of people hyping him up as a semi god, but, I don't know why. He won the Giro only because of the neutralization fiasco.

ahhh

 

[Brullnux]

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I just hope there are no accidents and that it can be seen if Quintana is for real or not. There's a lot of people hyping him up as a semi god, but, I don't know why. He won the Giro only because of the neutralization fiasco.

I completely agree with you. He didn't win it because he climbed Val Martello pretty much by himself 2 minutes faster than Uran. Or because he beat Uran in a MTT by 1 and a half minutes. No, he won it because he gained 1 minute on a descent that was only partially neutralised, then un-neutralised (is this a word?) halfway down.

 

[roundabout]

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Maybe you people from Europe just aren't used to Amerindian phenotypes. To me, Nairo doesn't look older than his actual age. And I'm from the same region as him.

He looks at least 42 years old. Maybe hes had a history of substance abuse in his youth, he is from Colombia after all.

No, because, regarding drugs, Colombia is not a consumer country. Any European country has much higher drug consumption rates than Colombia. Even Brazil and Argentina have higher rates. And Nairo comes from a rural/semi-rural area. In these areas, drug consumption is even less common than in urban areas. Most people are very conservative about drugs.

... To me, the looks on Quintana's face and the birth date manipulation practices in Africa and S.America are enough to suspect Quintana's documented age (the same is valid for Minala, the ex-Lazio player).

Such as? Give us some examples of famous cases of birth date manipulation in Colombian sport.

Nice generalization. There are plenty of African nations with a higher Human Development index than Colombia.

the only ones are Libya, Mauritius and Seychelles.

Wasn't Buenahora rumored to be a few years older than his actual age?

And then there is Rivera who actually got caught fudging his age.

 

[Gigs_98]

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I just hope there are no accidents and that it can be seen if Quintana is for real or not. There's a lot of people hyping him up as a semi god, but, I don't know why. He won the Giro only because of the neutralization fiasco.

I completely agree with you. He didn't win it because he climbed Val Martello pretty much by himself 2 minutes faster than Uran. Or because he beat Uran in a MTT by 1 and a half minutes. No, he won it because he gained 1 minute on a descent that was only partially neutralised, then un-neutralised (is this a word?) halfway down.

Moreover I am sure quintana would have gained even more time on Uran on the zoncolan if he hadn't been in the pink jersey already

 

[murali]

oh God! why do morons land from unspeakable lands to blabber nonsense about a talented rider!!!

 

[Singer01]

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oh God! why do morons land from unspeakable lands to blabber nonsense about a talented rider!!!

whilst i agree with the sentiment wouldn't any forum be a boring place if everyone agreed, look at how fawning the contador thread is if you take out a few dissenters.

 

[The Hitch]

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The word compelling is very relative mate. Is it a compelling reason to open a thread in the clinic just after a guy wins his first monument? To me it isn't. To the user who opened the thread it is. To me, the looks on Quintana's face and the birth date manipulation practices in Africa and S.America are enough to suspect Quintana's documented age (the same is valid for Minala, the ex-Lazio player).

P.S. Since the labeling of users is quite ubiquitous in this forum, I want to clarify that I like Quintana. I've cheered for him in many occasions and I've defended him in some arguments in his thread(my previous comments). But that doesn't prevent me from saying out loud my suspicions.
Anyway. His results will show in the forthcoming years whether Quintana has that development curve a 25 year old should have in cycling. Hope my suspicions are wrong though.

lol if you think colombia is some kind of 3rd world country comparable to african nations your whole post is beyond racist anyway

Coming from you, was that supposed to be a compliment?

 

[ILovecycling]

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The word compelling is very relative mate. Is it a compelling reason to open a thread in the clinic just after a guy wins his first monument? To me it isn't. To the user who opened the thread it is. To me, the looks on Quintana's face and the birth date manipulation practices in Africa and S.America are enough to suspect Quintana's documented age (the same is valid for Minala, the ex-Lazio player).

P.S. Since the labeling of users is quite ubiquitous in this forum, I want to clarify that I like Quintana. I've cheered for him in many occasions and I've defended him in some arguments in his thread(my previous comments). But that doesn't prevent me from saying out loud my suspicions.
Anyway. His results will show in the forthcoming years whether Quintana has that development curve a 25 year old should have in cycling. Hope my suspicions are wrong though.

lol if you think colombia is some kind of 3rd world country comparable to african nations your whole post is beyond racist anyway

Coming from you, was that supposed to be a compliment?

probably yeah...brutal double standards from ryo

 

[TomekA]

A lovely documentary on Nairito's preparation towards this coming Tour de France.

Enjoy


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONLzDf0mjE8&feature=youtu.be

Is there a version with english subtitles?

It is not the best "Informe Robinson" about cycling...

Most interesting things for me:

He is not an poor indian who needed bike to go to school, althougt he came from a humble farmer family.

He is very ambitious (I didnt think that).. in the good way.

Acording to Unzue there are another good climbers in Colombia but the mental strengh of Quintana makes the difference.

They talk about his firts amazing test, something well know...

He is a climber, thin, small, with an amazing power/weight, and he live at more altitude that any of the climb in France...so as higher, longer and step is a climb, better for him... logical.

They said if a rider is good has 5.5-6 watts/kg, but he has 6.4-6.5 watt/kg.

He was very worried becouse riders didnt respect him on the peloton, becouse he is small and they think he could start a cut in the wind...but he hit Karpets once with his fist to get respect and be allowed to be on the front.

Thay didnt talk about Juan pistolas, so a bad report

There is an european man on the video who is married with a colombian girl and he said he put Nairo to his son for him and he said: You are going to win this Tour.

And more or lees is everything...

Thank you very much for this summary

 

[Taxus4a]

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I just hope there are no accidents and that it can be seen if Quintana is for real or not. There's a lot of people hyping him up as a semi god, but, I don't know why. He won the Giro only because of the neutralization fiasco.

He showed in the Giro he was the stronger, althoug without that neutralization would have been another race, but the only thing I forgot of the video it is thathe was really sick on the Giro, maybe 4 days, he took antibiotics.

In his fist Tour he was climbing stronger than Froome with just 22 or something like that and he finished second...what more he need to be favourite? He is very good with the hot weather of July Pirynees (good for froome as well, Cotador is good in al lthe weathers, but respect Nibali prefer hot, and respect Froome or Quintana prefer rain)

That year Tour stating in Corsica with some climbs and the first week was short and not demanding for him... this year will be a real challenge, but if he is ok, in the mountains should be the stronger, at least in the hardest stages with several long and hard climbs...

It will be a very tactical Tour anyway, several stages has the key climb no close to the finish. What i mean it is that I have no doubt he will be the stronger in Tourmalet, but the finish line is in Cauterets.. and Nibali could be weaker on Tourmalet, but nobody attack andput time on Cauterets, to put an example...


You are wellcome TomekA

 

[Taxus4a]

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I just hope there are no accidents and that it can be seen if Quintana is for real or not. There's a lot of people hyping him up as a semi god, but, I don't know why. He won the Giro only because of the neutralization fiasco.

I completely agree with you. He didn't win it because he climbed Val Martello pretty much by himself 2 minutes faster than Uran. Or because he beat Uran in a MTT by 1 and a half minutes. No, he won it because he gained 1 minute on a descent that was only partially neutralised, then un-neutralised (is this a word?) halfway down.

Moreover I am sure quintana would have gained even more time on Uran on the zoncolan if he hadn't been in the pink jersey already

With Quintana not sick, Uran wouldnt have put so gib time on the ITT on him, and maybe quintana put more in some stages...that is true...

But the day of stelvio Uran had a bad day with the cold, he lost 2 minutes in the last climb, but I am not sure about other days.

But quintana was impressive as well in the mountan ITT, so, there is not doubt he was the stronger, and I ma an well know Urán fan. With other route maybe Urán could beat Quintana, he is better in the flat, wind and ITT,and he is very good in the mountains as well, but Quintana is the best climber ofthe world today IMO, and in the Giro there are always very hard climbs.

 

[Escarabajo]

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I just hope there are no accidents and that it can be seen if Quintana is for real or not. There's a lot of people hyping him up as a semi god, but, I don't know why. He won the Giro only because of the neutralization fiasco.

And a fake Tour de L'avenir
And a fake País Vasco 2013
And a fake 2013 Tour de France
And a fake Vuelta a Burgos 2013
And a fake Tirreno Adriatico 2015
And a fake Vuelta a España 2012
And a fake Dauphine Libere 2012
And a fake Route Du Sud

And his entire fake climbing throughout his life. You must be onto something!

 

[LaFlorecita]

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I just hope there are no accidents and that it can be seen if Quintana is for real or not. There's a lot of people hyping him up as a semi god, but, I don't know why. He won the Giro only because of the neutralization fiasco.

I agree that he is overhyped, however I think he would have won the Giro either way.

 

[Beech Mtn]

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I just hope there are no accidents and that it can be seen if Quintana is for real or not. There's a lot of people hyping him up as a semi god, but, I don't know why. He won the Giro only because of the neutralization fiasco.

And a fake Tour de L'avenir
And a fake País Vasco 2013
And a fake 2013 Tour de France
And a fake Vuelta a Burgos 2013
And a fake Tirreno Adriatico 2015
And a fake Vuelta a España 2012
And a fake Dauphine Libere 2012
And a fake Route Du Sud

And his entire fake climbing throughout his life. You must be onto something!

Good post. Quintana has already solidly proven himself. If he had these palmares and looked like Andy Schleck, few would question whether he was over-hyped. And Nairo has bucketloads more talent than Andy.

 

[roundabout]

Re: Re:

I just hope there are no accidents and that it can be seen if Quintana is for real or not. There's a lot of people hyping him up as a semi god, but, I don't know why. He won the Giro only because of the neutralization fiasco.

And a fake Tour de L'avenir
And a fake País Vasco 2013
And a fake 2013 Tour de France
And a fake Vuelta a Burgos 2013
And a fake Tirreno Adriatico 2015
And a fake Vuelta a España 2012
And a fake Dauphine Libere 2012
And a fake Route Du Sud

And his entire fake climbing throughout his life. You must be onto something!

And a real Aosta

And a real Circuito Montanes

And a real Regioni

And a real defense of his Avenir win

 

[qwer]

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I just hope there are no accidents and that it can be seen if Quintana is for real or not. There's a lot of people hyping him up as a semi god, but, I don't know why. He won the Giro only because of the neutralization fiasco.

And a fake Tour de L'avenir
And a fake País Vasco 2013
And a fake 2013 Tour de France
And a fake Vuelta a Burgos 2013
And a fake Tirreno Adriatico 2015
And a fake Vuelta a España 2012
And a fake Dauphine Libere 2012
And a fake Route Du Sud

And his entire fake climbing throughout his life. You must be onto something!

Good post. Quintana has already solidly proven himself. If he had these palmares and looked like Andy Schleck, few would question whether he was over-hyped. And Nairo has bucketloads more talent than Andy.

What? Andy had a great palmares, he never trained hard except for le tour and he was the main rival of contador. Quintana trains hard and he is strong mentally, andy never was. Quitana is not more talented than contador, and andy is more talented than contador. I am a contador fan!!!