Teams & Riders Nairo Quintana discussion thread

[Arredondo]

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yet 2 years later he couldn't follow a contador who had broken his leg, froome who also had an injury and piti who rode the tour.

To be fair, he was in the leaders jersey before the TT. So he was in a good position to win that Vuelta.

Would he have won it? Could be, could not be. But saying he wasn't able to follow Contador at all that Vuelta is stupid to say. At the time he abandoned, the big mountain stages where still to come.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

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are you seriously talking about vuelta 2014? show me in what MOUNTAINstage he was dropped there?

But the vuelta 2012 can be used as an example for his potential but 2014 can't be used as any reference.

Nice one ryo.

he won the giro in 2014

 

[Miburo]

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yet 2 years later he couldn't follow a contador who had broken his leg, froome who also had an injury and piti who rode the tour.

To be fair, he was in the leaders jersey before the TT. So he was in a good position to win that Vuelta.

Would he have won it? Could be, could not be. But saying he wasn't able to follow Contador at all that Vuelta is stupid to say. At the time he abandoned, the big mountain stages where still to come.

He wasn't. Contador dropped him in the 2 relevant stages until that point.

And he had a way better time on the first part of the ITT. But anyway that's not what i'm discussing.

 

[Miburo]

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are you seriously talking about vuelta 2014? show me in what MOUNTAINstage he was dropped there?

But the vuelta 2012 can be used as an example for his potential but 2014 can't be used as any reference.

Nice one ryo.

he won the giro in 2014

I don't consider that as that important, just like with contador in giro 2015 although he faced a really strong astana team so was more valuable. If you don't beat one of the big 4 i don't value the victory that highly. Beating uran and aru don't cut it for me to say he's really that amazing.

We'll see in the tour this year but i think he's overrated, definitely by you.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

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yet 2 years later he couldn't follow a contador who had broken his leg, froome who also had an injury and piti who rode the tour.

To be fair, he was in the leaders jersey before the TT. So he was in a good position to win that Vuelta.

Would he have won it? Could be, could not be. But saying he wasn't able to follow Contador at all that Vuelta is stupid to say. At the time he abandoned, the big mountain stages where still to come.

He wasn't. Contador dropped him in the 2 relevant stages until that point.

And he had a way better time on the first part of the ITT. But anyway that's not what i'm discussing.

lol. this is like saying kwiatkowski is better than quintana because he finished ahead of him in e3 and dwars door vlaanderen

 

[Miburo]

LOL never change ryo. I'm done.

 

[Mr.White]

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Andy showed amazing performances, but I dont think he was more talented than Quintana...

Schleck could be painful to watch and with more discipline and tactical sense would have been an even better rider but I don't rate him below Quintana. And Quintana will never win a monument. Schleck was a young talent that stood out from an early age. Quintana has yet to hit his peak and it will be interesting to see how far he can go. If he climbs at his best, he has a real shot at the Tour this year. I would be surprised if Contador managed to do the double but it all depends on the form of his three major rivals. I think TJVG would by my choice for fifth place.

As is well known Andy never won a major stage race on the road. Quintana has at 25 surpassed Andy's record in overall wins in major stage races. There isn't much of an argument here.

I think Schleck's five podium's in GTs and a monument have to mean something and as for the race that was not won on the road well that's another argument completely. Many people would argue differently. Last time I checked Quintana had two podiums in GTs.

it's 4 podiums. But I agree Schleck is ahead of Quintana as things stands right now. It could soon change, though

 

[SeriousSam]

Quintana fans, take the 2014 Giro Quintana, put him in this year's Giro. What would have happened iyo? His poor ITT skills would have made victory all but impossible but where would he have been climbing wise?

 

[Bushman]

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Quintana fans, take the 2014 Giro Quintana, put him in this year's Giro. What would have happened iyo? His poor ITT skills would have made victory all but impossible but where would he have been climbing wise?

Of course the only possible outcome is that Quintana would have put minutes into all of his competitors on litterally EVERY single mountain finish. There's no other way.

 

[Mozart92]

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Quintana fans, take the 2014 Giro Quintana, put him in this year's Giro. What would have happened iyo? His poor ITT skills would have made victory all but impossible but where would he have been climbing wise?

Quintana won with 3 minutes of advantage on Uran and 4 on Aru. Contador won with 1:58 on Aru.

Maybe Aru was stronger this year and maybe Contador was saving a bit of energies but Quintana will win the Tour at some point, maybe not this year because Nibali Contador and Froome are at their best but in a few years all of these three will start declining while Quintana has still at least 7/8 years of room to improve.

 

[Taxus4a]

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Quintana fans, take the 2014 Giro Quintana, put him in this year's Giro. What would have happened iyo? His poor ITT skills would have made victory all but impossible but where would he have been climbing wise?

Quintana climbs better than Landa, and TT better than Landa, so he will have finished about 2-4 minutes better than Contador, and Landa would have been second.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Quintana fans, take the 2014 Giro Quintana, put him in this year's Giro. What would have happened iyo? His poor ITT skills would have made victory all but impossible but where would he have been climbing wise?

Quintana climbs better than Landa, and TT better than Landa, so he will have finished about 2-4 minutes better than Contador, and Landa would have been second.

Yeah, or Contador would have ridden a whole different race and won you can't say this or that would have happened if X because you don't know how the race would have changed if X.

 

[ppanther92]

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Quintana fans, take the 2014 Giro Quintana, put him in this year's Giro. What would have happened iyo? His poor ITT skills would have made victory all but impossible but where would he have been climbing wise?

Quintana climbs better than Landa, and TT better than Landa, so he will have finished about 2-4 minutes better than Contador, and Landa would have been second.

Lol...

Quintana is overhyped right now, maybe he could convince me in the future and comparing him with Schleck, that was another level, only Contador could match and most of the time even exceed his level.

 

[Escarabajo]

Stop the speculation. We are short time from the race. Why not wait and see what happens. And no excuses.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

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Stop the speculation. We are short time from the race. Why not wait and see what happens. And no excuses.

yeah let's just abandon this whole forum while at it! this is what forums are all about

 

[bala v]

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Quintana fans, take the 2014 Giro Quintana, put him in this year's Giro. What would have happened iyo? His poor ITT skills would have made victory all but impossible but where would he have been climbing wise?

Quintana climbs better than Landa, and TT better than Landa, so he will have finished about 2-4 minutes better than Contador, and Landa would have been second.

Yeah, both much better climbers than Contador, who is the best climber by far in last 15 years! Guess Quintana is the best climber ever, then comes Landa, and then by some margin Bartali, Coppi, Bahamontes, Gaul, Fuente, Van Impe, Herrera, Delgado, Pantani, Heras and Contador

 

[Escarabajo]

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Stop the speculation. We are short time from the race. Why not wait and see what happens. And no excuses.

yeah let's just abandon this whole forum while at it! this is what forums are all about

Ok.

I am a little superstitious and your predictions haven’t always been right!!

I don't want to screw up the Quintana win!!

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

I predicted quintana in early 2010 when I came here. can't say I had anything wrong at all. neither about my colombian predictions. they are now one of the top 3 countries in world tour for a few years now

 

[SeriousSam]

What's your Tour prediction Ryo

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

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What's your Tour prediction Ryo

depends on first week. if quintana doesn't lose much time or gets sick he will win the tour. last year he could even win the giro with sickness but that was weaker competition

 

[Taxus4a]

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Quintana fans, take the 2014 Giro Quintana, put him in this year's Giro. What would have happened iyo? His poor ITT skills would have made victory all but impossible but where would he have been climbing wise?

Quintana climbs better than Landa, and TT better than Landa, so he will have finished about 2-4 minutes better than Contador, and Landa would have been second.

Yeah, both much better climbers than Contador, who is the best climber by far in last 15 years! Guess Quintana is the best climber ever, then comes Landa, and then by some margin Bartali, Coppi, Bahamontes, Gaul, Fuente, Van Impe, Herrera, Delgado, Pantani, Heras and Contador

Contador the better climber in last 15 years? Wellake the results along those years, yes.. if yu analize better, that is no so clear, and today, NO.

The era previous to his santion is away.
he has won later lot of things, 2 Vuelta, one Giro...but in one of the Vuelta was droped by Purito, in the other was droped sometimes by Froome, and in the Giro was droped by Landa. For me that is like to say frank schleck was one of the best climbers in some tours the past era, we are in other time.

Even in one os this years he was droped by Kreuziger, Quintana, Froome, Purito, etc...

We will see in this Tour how good climber is he...

He is the one of the best, but no more.

In this Giro if Quintana is there (Giro is not the mountain of the Vuelta, better for Contador) Landa will follow him but no Contador...and there was enough mountain for the 3 minutes Quintana could lost in the ITT, but he is not worse than Aru in ITT, so maybe 2...

Quintana droped Hejedal in the Quen stage, hesjedal get Contador in Ologno.

Quintana was sick last year and he put some minutes on Aru, Contador, with a 60 Km ITT just put 2 on him, no time in the mountains, everything in the ITT.

 

[Taxus4a]

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What's your Tour prediction Ryo

depends on first week. if quintana doesn't lose much time or gets sick he will win the tour. last year he could even win the giro with sickness but that was weaker competition

Quintana is one of the favourites, maybe the main favourite if he is at the begining of stage 10 with just 1 minute lost, but anyway you talk like if he will win for sure, and at the begining I see Froome as better and more favourite, and it will be difficult for quintana to drop Froome. Everybodu talk about tactics that Movistar can do with Valverde there, but SKy has Porte, for me is similar.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

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What's your Tour prediction Ryo

depends on first week. if quintana doesn't lose much time or gets sick he will win the tour. last year he could even win the giro with sickness but that was weaker competition

Quintana is one of the favourites, maybe the main favourite if he is at the begining of stage 10 with just 1 minute lost, but anyway you talk like if he will win for sure, and at the begining I see Froome as better and more favourite, and it will be difficult for quintana to drop Froome. Everybodu talk about tactics that Movistar can do with Valverde there, but SKy has Porte, for me is similar.

movistar is far better than sky. also froome has far more to fear in the first week than quintana

 

[damian13ster]

Both equally subjective statements

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

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Both equally subjective statements

if you think froome has the edge on quintana on cobbles, rain, wind, basic bike handling or punchy finishes then I don't know where you've been watching cyclign the last few years