Teams & Riders Nairo Quintana discussion thread

[damian13ster]

I have absolutely no clue how they will do on cobbles. Not enough data available. Quintana did ride some this year but was really bad on them, don't remember Froome riding them. Rain, wind... don't see much of a difference here, Froome doesn't get caught up in echelons, and basic bike handling.... although Froome looks bad on a bike he doesn't crash himself on a dry road with noone around him.

And Quintana good on punchy finishes? Sorry but I can't take you seriously after statements like that (not that I could before)

 

[Taxus4a]

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Both equally subjective statements

if you think froome has the edge on quintana on cobbles, rain, wind, basic bike handling or punchy finishes then I don't know where you've been watching cyclign the last few years

Well, maybe you are agree,but there is a fact, froome is one of the stronger rider for the flat in the peloton, and he has the potential to be very strong on the cobbles...everything could happen, but he has the stronger legs for that terrain of the favourites, as wlel for the wind... the problem is that Froome dont use to move well in that situations, he is not tecnich.

 

[Taxus4a]

Froome was 22 in a cobblestone race in belgium in his first year in Europe.

http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=7288

(sorry before I put a wrong link)

I dont know exactly how much cobbletones has, becouse is a race for sprinters, but I know has some sections, and it is a race for strong people in the flat.

The other cobblestone race he rode that year was Gent-Wevelgem, he was in the last group, but difficult to take conclusion as Boonen, Van avermaet, his current team mate Stannard or Roelandt were there with Froome.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

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I have absolutely no clue how they will do on cobbles. Not enough data available. Quintana did ride some this year but was really bad on them, don't remember Froome riding them. Rain, wind... don't see much of a difference here, Froome doesn't get caught up in echelons, and basic bike handling.... although Froome looks bad on a bike he doesn't crash himself on a dry road with noone around him.

And Quintana good on punchy finishes? Sorry but I can't take you seriously after statements like that (not that I could before)

again you didn't see dwars door vlaanderen? lol

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

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Both equally subjective statements

if you think froome has the edge on quintana on cobbles, rain, wind, basic bike handling or punchy finishes then I don't know where you've been watching cyclign the last few years

Well, maybe you are agree,but there is a fact, froome is one of the stronger rider for the flat in the peloton, and he has the potential to be very strong on the cobbles...everything could happen, but he has the stronger legs for that terrain of the favourites, as wlel for the wind... the problem is that Froome dont use to move well in that situations, he is not tecnich.

for cobbles you need to be able to place yourself and have some technical abilities in steering. so how in your world froome has any potential in them at all is beyond me

 

[Taxus4a]

I think Quintana was OK on the coblestones in Dwars door vlaanderen,.. I think that day is more important dont crash than lose 1 minute.

 

[damian13ster]

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I have absolutely no clue how they will do on cobbles. Not enough data available. Quintana did ride some this year but was really bad on them, don't remember Froome riding them. Rain, wind... don't see much of a difference here, Froome doesn't get caught up in echelons, and basic bike handling.... although Froome looks bad on a bike he doesn't crash himself on a dry road with noone around him.

And Quintana good on punchy finishes? Sorry but I can't take you seriously after statements like that (not that I could before)

again you didn't see dwars door vlaanderen? lol

I have. He was decent, not very impressive. I think the gaps on cobbles will be fairly small, and I do not see Froome losing time to Quintana at all

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

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I have absolutely no clue how they will do on cobbles. Not enough data available. Quintana did ride some this year but was really bad on them, don't remember Froome riding them. Rain, wind... don't see much of a difference here, Froome doesn't get caught up in echelons, and basic bike handling.... although Froome looks bad on a bike he doesn't crash himself on a dry road with noone around him.

And Quintana good on punchy finishes? Sorry but I can't take you seriously after statements like that (not that I could before)

again you didn't see dwars door vlaanderen? lol

I have. He was decent, not very impressive. I think the gaps on cobbles will be fairly small, and I do not see Froome losing time to Quintana at all

he was one of the riders actually making the race. he was incredibly strong with amador. froome could never do anything like that. also quintana isn't scared of rain

 

[damian13ster]

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I have absolutely no clue how they will do on cobbles. Not enough data available. Quintana did ride some this year but was really bad on them, don't remember Froome riding them. Rain, wind... don't see much of a difference here, Froome doesn't get caught up in echelons, and basic bike handling.... although Froome looks bad on a bike he doesn't crash himself on a dry road with noone around him.

And Quintana good on punchy finishes? Sorry but I can't take you seriously after statements like that (not that I could before)

again you didn't see dwars door vlaanderen? lol

I have. He was decent, not very impressive. I think the gaps on cobbles will be fairly small, and I do not see Froome losing time to Quintana at all

he was one of the riders actually making the race. he was incredibly strong with amador. froome could never do anything like that. also quintana isn't scared of rain

You seriously should lay off the hyperbole... it is getting ridiculous

 

[Taxus4a]

Froome is not an expert at handle a bike as Nibali or Sagan but he doesnt have special problem with rain, just his phisiology works better with hot, as Valverde, and for Quintana that is the same.

There are some riders that prefer rain, for his phisiology: Nibali, Spilak, Zakarin, Nordaugh, Gilbert, Samu, etc...

 

[Taxus4a]

I think I was wrong about that race...

78. COL QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander MOV 07'02" 0

This is not superstrong, he was weaker than Froome in his first year in Europe, he was already 23, was he was almost new in cycling.

 

[Flamin]

Quintana completely sucks in the wind (obviously) and there's nothing at all that suggests he's better on the cobbles than Froome. In Dwars I remember Quintana dancing all over the cobbles on Oude Kwaremont. That's the only image of him on cobbles. Besides, Movistar has very little experience on cobbles, meanwhile Froome at least has Thomas who did an amazing job for Porte last year (though he tends to crash sometimes).

Of course rain could change a lot since Quintana is clearly better in it.

 

[Ryaguas]

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Quintana fans, take the 2014 Giro Quintana, put him in this year's Giro. What would have happened iyo? His poor ITT skills would have made victory all but impossible but where would he have been climbing wise?

Quintana climbs better than Landa, and TT better than Landa, so he will have finished about 2-4 minutes better than Contador, and Landa would have been second.

Yeah, both much better climbers than Contador, who is the best climber by far in last 15 years! Guess Quintana is the best climber ever, then comes Landa, and then by some margin Bartali, Coppi, Bahamontes, Gaul, Fuente, Van Impe, Herrera, Delgado, Pantani, Heras and Contador

Contador the better climber in last 15 years? Wellake the results along those years, yes.. if yu analize better, that is no so clear, and today, NO.

The era previous to his santion is away.
he has won later lot of things, 2 Vuelta, one Giro...but in one of the Vuelta was droped by Purito, in the other was droped sometimes by Froome, and in the Giro was droped by Landa. For me that is like to say frank schleck was one of the best climbers in some tours the past era, we are in other time.

Even in one os this years he was droped by Kreuziger, Quintana, Froome, Purito, etc...

We will see in this Tour how good climber is he...

He is the one of the best, but no more.

In this Giro if Quintana is there (Giro is not the mountain of the Vuelta, better for Contador) Landa will follow him but no Contador...and there was enough mountain for the 3 minutes Quintana could lost in the ITT, but he is not worse than Aru in ITT, so maybe 2...

Quintana droped Hejedal in the Quen stage, hesjedal get Contador in Ologno.

Quintana was sick last year and he put some minutes on Aru, Contador, with a 60 Km ITT just put 2 on him, no time in the mountains, everything in the ITT.

So many baits in just one post...

 

[Escarabajo]

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I predicted quintana in early 2010 when I came here. can't say I had anything wrong at all. neither about my colombian predictions. they are now one of the top 3 countries in world tour for a few years now

You got that one right. I was skeptical like I was for so long with many of the Colombians. It was a big hole since the 80's.

I hope you make another Colombian bold prediction like you did with Quintana.

 

[Taxus4a]

Erviti and Ventoso have some experience and not bad results in the cobbles, Ventoso was 4th in Wevelgen.It is not like Thomas, but it is more than others.

 

[Flamin]

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Erviti and Ventoso have some experience and not bad results in the cobbles, Ventoso was 4th in Wevelgen.It is not like Thomas, but it is more than others.

Is Ventoso even doing the Tour? Nevertheless Contador, Froome and Nibali all have better support.

 

[Popchu]

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Froome was 22 in a cobblestone race in belgium in his first year in Europe.

http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=7288

(sorry before I put a wrong link)

I dont know exactly how much cobbletones has, becouse is a race for sprinters, but I know has some sections, and it is a race for strong people in the flat.

The other cobblestone race he rode that year was Gent-Wevelgem, he was in the last group, but difficult to take conclusion as Boonen, Van avermaet, his current team mate Stannard or Roelandt were there with Froome.

Scheldeprijs... "cobblestone race"...

Anyway, racing on cobbles has nothing, or maybe 10% or so, do to with specific "cobble skills" or something like that. Most important are bike handling skills (positioning) and confidence on your bike (like Nibali last year in TdF).

 

[ILovecycling]

http://velonews.competitor.com/2015/06/news/quintana-returns-to-europe-after-colombian-stay_373885

Good to see that Quintana respects ALL Contador wins

 

[Beech Mtn]

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Erviti and Ventoso have some experience and not bad results in the cobbles, Ventoso was 4th in Wevelgen.It is not like Thomas, but it is more than others.

Is Ventoso even doing the Tour? Nevertheless Contador, Froome and Nibali all have better support.

Yes, he should be. These days, Ventoso goes where Nairo goes.

 

[damian13ster]

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http://velonews.competitor.com/2015/06/news/quintana-returns-to-europe-after-colombian-stay_373885

Good to see that Quintana respects ALL Contador wins

Seriously, get that crap to the clinic.
Wasn't there already discussion about it?

 

[Jspear]

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http://velonews.competitor.com/2015/06/news/quintana-returns-to-europe-after-colombian-stay_373885

Good to see that Quintana respects ALL Contador wins

A good sensible young man.
Of course I want AC to do the double, but if he fails, I really hope Quintana wins.

 

[Flamin]

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Erviti and Ventoso have some experience and not bad results in the cobbles, Ventoso was 4th in Wevelgen.It is not like Thomas, but it is more than others.

Is Ventoso even doing the Tour? Nevertheless Contador, Froome and Nibali all have better support.

Yes, he should be. These days, Ventoso goes where Nairo goes.

I know Nairito respected his efforts in il giro last year, but Ventoso wasn't part of the Vuelta armada..

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

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Froome was 22 in a cobblestone race in belgium in his first year in Europe.

http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=7288

(sorry before I put a wrong link)

I dont know exactly how much cobbletones has, becouse is a race for sprinters, but I know has some sections, and it is a race for strong people in the flat.

The other cobblestone race he rode that year was Gent-Wevelgem, he was in the last group, but difficult to take conclusion as Boonen, Van avermaet, his current team mate Stannard or Roelandt were there with Froome.

Scheldeprijs... "cobblestone race"...

Anyway, racing on cobbles has nothing, or maybe 10% or so, do to with specific "cobble skills" or something like that. Most important are bike handling skills (positioning) and confidence on your bike (like Nibali last year in TdF).

thank you!! you are one of very few on this forum who understand these basic things.

 

[ILovecycling]

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http://velonews.competitor.com/2015/06/news/quintana-returns-to-europe-after-colombian-stay_373885

Good to see that Quintana respects ALL Contador wins

Seriously, get that crap to the clinic.
Wasn't there already discussion about it?

I never visit clinic.

 

[damian13ster]

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http://velonews.competitor.com/2015/06/news/quintana-returns-to-europe-after-colombian-stay_373885

Good to see that Quintana respects ALL Contador wins

Seriously, get that crap to the clinic.
Wasn't there already discussion about it?

I never visit clinic.

Well then, do not post things related to the clinic in here. Your post had nothing else but the clinic reference