Teams & Riders Nairo Quintana discussion thread

[ILovecycling]

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What do you want me to say ILovecycling

All the pre tour talk about Quintana being the greatest climber ....How has he improved since Froome beat him in 2013?
Froome was there for the taking today. Pantani would have zoomed off into the distance.
Valverde did look better than Quintana or do you disagree? and why do you disagree ?

Lets hope Nairo can do something but right now he looks the 2nd best rider in movie star.

Now point out to me what is wrong with what I have said?

Okay, I dont know if you are trolling or not..so for the case you are not,there is your answer.

What you said about Porte being better than Quintana and how it is disappointing is a very wrong judgement by you.You forgot that Porte was 40 minutes down by stage 10, so its absolutely irrelevant how good he climbed in comparison with GC guys (the same with Mjaka vs Nibali 2014)

Second point, of course Quintana has improved since 2013, he showed very little so far, but at least today stage was an idication that he will be stronger than in 2013. By this time 2 years ago he was dropped by Froome on Ventoux even with a headstart, today he looked on par with Froome (and put a little digs) which is good considering its a stage 12, where Quintana is not supposed to be on top.

About Valverde...I disagree because only (semi)attack which Froome responded worse was the Quintana one, and as you could see when Froome made the acceleration Quintana hold his wheel pretty good, Valverde was 'dropped' (I know he was only few bike lenghts away, but he wouldnt be with Froome if the attack would have succeded).And of course there is the stage to PSM, where Vlaverde lost a lot of time to Quintana.

I hope you understand my point now.

Why would you think I am a troll. Because I don't agree with you that makes me a troll That's really stupid.
I have made clear concise points.
IMO Quintana has been disappointing.

Porte rode a lot of that climb at the front ...Quintana was sucking wheels with Froome and co.
For Porte to come back and pass Quintana that is not good however you want to look at it.

Froome today was weak other wise he would have attacked. There was a chance today to get some time back but no one could take it.
Of course Quintana could hold Froomes wheel because Froome was not so good today.

Valverde has been used to set up Quintana. He has used more energy. He has put in attacks to soften up Froome for Quintana, who so far has failed to deliver.
If it was the other way round IMO I think Valverde would be better placed than Quintana.

As I said you clearly are clueless about important facts and their importance.Why you didnt you react what I said about Porte, his saved energy from entire 1st week? its surely more saved energy than he used by pacing up that climb
Your points about Valverde are absolutely ridiculous I dont know what to answer on such a stupid point.

I just wanted to you know my opinion, thats all I wanted,as I said I won't discuss it with you in details,its not worth for both of us.

So what , Quintana should have not have got beaten by Porte. He his not the no 1 rider at Sky Froome is.
Froome beat Porte,,,,news alert dot dash dot dash Quintana did not . Quintana is supposed to be racing Froome not Porte. agree?


Why are my points about Valverde ridiculous. explain why ,its no good saying its stupid explain to me why it is? In all honesty who looks the strongest rider at movie so far in this tour, Quintana or Valverde?

Its no good getting angry with me . Quintana is letting you down not me.

you are funny , but ..uhmm no, I won't take the bait

 

[Angliru]

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What do you want me to say ILovecycling

All the pre tour talk about Quintana being the greatest climber ....How has he improved since Froome beat him in 2013?
Froome was there for the taking today. Pantani would have zoomed off into the distance.
Valverde did look better than Quintana or do you disagree? and why do you disagree ?

Lets hope Nairo can do something but right now he looks the 2nd best rider in movie star.

Now point out to me what is wrong with what I have said?

The word "potentially" should always have been put in front of that "the greatest climber" statement. Anyone that stated that as fact had no real grounds for that belief. One day in the mountains of the Tour after the gc had been settled isn't proof enough.

 

[damian13ster]

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What do you want me to say ILovecycling

All the pre tour talk about Quintana being the greatest climber ....How has he improved since Froome beat him in 2013?
Froome was there for the taking today. Pantani would have zoomed off into the distance.
Valverde did look better than Quintana or do you disagree? and why do you disagree ?

Lets hope Nairo can do something but right now he looks the 2nd best rider in movie star.

Now point out to me what is wrong with what I have said?

The word "potentially" should always have been put in front of that "the greatest climber" statement. Anyone that stated that as fact had no real grounds for that belief. One day in the mountains of the Tour after the gc had been settled isn't proof enough.

The words 'unlikely to be' would be even more accurate but potentially is not bad
But look at ILovecycling's signature...... Unless he has a beef with Ryo and wants to humiliate him with every single post reminding how little he knows about cycling and how strong his nationalism is, he actually believes that quote.

 

[Taxus4a]

Quintana and Valverde must keep this way all the Tour... it would be better try to invent something,
the stage was IMo the harder of the Tour, for lenght, climbs and final climb, but if a rider as vanmarcke is with the leaders at 4 km of the finished is that they could have been riden the stage in a harder way...Movistar maybe has not the potential to attack from far, but thay need to do it...That could have the help of Contador, Nibali...

 

[Angliru]

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What do you want me to say ILovecycling

All the pre tour talk about Quintana being the greatest climber ....How has he improved since Froome beat him in 2013?
Froome was there for the taking today. Pantani would have zoomed off into the distance.
Valverde did look better than Quintana or do you disagree? and why do you disagree ?

Lets hope Nairo can do something but right now he looks the 2nd best rider in movie star.

Now point out to me what is wrong with what I have said?

The word "potentially" should always have been put in front of that "the greatest climber" statement. Anyone that stated that as fact had no real grounds for that belief. One day in the mountains of the Tour after the gc had been settled isn't proof enough.

The words 'unlikely to be' would be even more accurate but potentially is not bad
But look at ILovecycling's signature...... Unless he has a beef with Ryo and wants to humiliate him with every single post reminding how little he knows about cycling and how strong his nationalism is, he actually believes that quote.

I think it's the former, but maybe not with the maliscious intent that you stated, more of a teasing jab.

 

[ILovecycling]

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What do you want me to say ILovecycling

All the pre tour talk about Quintana being the greatest climber ....How has he improved since Froome beat him in 2013?
Froome was there for the taking today. Pantani would have zoomed off into the distance.
Valverde did look better than Quintana or do you disagree? and why do you disagree ?

Lets hope Nairo can do something but right now he looks the 2nd best rider in movie star.

Now point out to me what is wrong with what I have said?

The word "potentially" should always have been put in front of that "the greatest climber" statement. Anyone that stated that as fact had no real grounds for that belief. One day in the mountains of the Tour after the gc had been settled isn't proof enough.

The words 'unlikely to be' would be even more accurate but potentially is not bad
But look at ILovecycling's signature...... Unless he has a beef with Ryo and wants to humiliate him with every single post reminding how little he knows about cycling and how strong his nationalism is, he actually believes that quote.

I think it's the former, but maybe not with the maliscious intent that you stated, more of a teasing jab.

Lol, Im quite nice person, I wouldnt never do this to anyone who I havent an rough argument or something.(to use it as a humiliation).Of course I believe that quote, but we had to wait 2 years to confirm it, thats why I have it so long, its only few days away tho. (the confirmation)

 

[sir fly]

Watching him quickly reacting on Froome's accelerations today, keeps me in belief he'll show something in the Alps.

 

[ray j willings]

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Ilovecyling "you are funny , but ..uhmm no, I won't take the bait "


No bait ..you accused me of being "clueless" i'm asking you for your opinion

Explain to me IF YOU CAN ,why are my points about Valverde ridiculous. explain why ? its no good saying its stupid, explain to me why it is? In all honesty who looks the strongest rider at movie so far in this tour, Quintana or Valverde?

 

[SeriousSam]

It's obviously Quintana. Your entire argument so far seems to be "I wish Quintana were stronger"

Brilliant insight.

 

[ray j willings]

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It's obviously Quintana. Your entire argument so far seems to be "I wish Quintana were stronger"

Brilliant insight.

Why the sarcasm? What's your brilliant insight ? It seems to me, most of your posts consist of sarcasm and snide remarks. How about contributing a view or are you afraid someone will take the pis£ out of it like you try to do to other posters.

Valverde is stronger IMO and he would not be behind Quintana if he did not have to do the attacking/softening up.
Quintana know's he's not on top form so there was no need for movie to send Valverde to work and use up energy for nothing.
So your opinion or assumption is pith pa.

 

[Taxus4a]

It is amazing what Quintana is doing with his age
He will be super strong at 30
In the apls if there is hot Quintana will be with Froome alone, and maybe he will drop Froome in Alp Dhuez.

 

[tristecsinamigos]

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In all honesty who looks the strongest rider at movie so far in this tour, Quintana or Valverde?

For a start, Quintana took a minute on Valverde 3 days ago, just as Froome did on him, so...

 

[ray j willings]

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In all honesty who looks the strongest rider at movie so far in this tour, Quintana or Valverde?

For a start, Quintana took a minute on Valverde 3 days ago, just as Froome did on him, so...

That was because Valerde rode at the front and put some attacks to soften up Sky "try " Imagine if Quintana did the same, he would have lost big time.
Valverde has been far more aggressive. Used far more energy in working for Quintana.
Yesterday he attacked twice and still beat Quintana and Froome at the finish.
When we get to the alps or before maybe Quintana will get better and live up to his reputation, [he needs to do something] but at this point in the race Valverde is stronger.

 

[cellardoor]

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In all honesty who looks the strongest rider at movie so far in this tour, Quintana or Valverde?

For a start, Quintana took a minute on Valverde 3 days ago, just as Froome did on him, so...

That was because Valerde rode at the front and put some attacks to soften up Sky "try " Imagine if Quintana did the same, he would have lost big time.
Valverde has been far more aggressive. Used far more energy in working for Quintana.
Yesterday he attacked twice and still beat Quintana and Froome at the finish.
When we get to the alps or before maybe Quintana will get better and live up to his reputation, [he needs to do something] but at this point in the race Valverde is stronger.

To be fair, I think I counted 3 attacks by Quintana yesterday, so he attacked about the same number of times as Valverde.

 

[ray j willings]

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In all honesty who looks the strongest rider at movie so far in this tour, Quintana or Valverde?

For a start, Quintana took a minute on Valverde 3 days ago, just as Froome did on him, so...

That was because Valerde rode at the front and put some attacks to soften up Sky "try " Imagine if Quintana did the same, he would have lost big time.
Valverde has been far more aggressive. Used far more energy in working for Quintana.
Yesterday he attacked twice and still beat Quintana and Froome at the finish.
When we get to the alps or before maybe Quintana will get better and live up to his reputation, [he needs to do something] but at this point in the race Valverde is stronger.

To be fair, I think I counted 3 attacks by Quintana yesterday, so he attacked about the same number of times as Valverde.

Yesterday yes and so did Valverde attack as well. But the previous days Valverde has attacked and used more energy Quintana.
Quintana has been nursed along this whole tour so far and by Valverde for a lot of it.
He has so far been very poor. I can't believe all the excuses. He his 2nd best rider in his team at the moment and his performance so far has been a disappointment.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Valverde is weaker than Quintana. You'd be blind to not see that

 

[ray j willings]

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Valverde is weaker than Quintana. You'd be blind to not see that

Tell me ,,,how is Quintana stronger ? What has he done? how come Valverde has attacked on numerous occasions was stronger yesterday ? Valverde beat all the main GC Contenders.

Valverde is having a good tour Quintana so far is not.

 

[Arredondo]

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Valverde is weaker than Quintana. You'd be blind to not see that

Tell me ,,,how is Quintana stronger ? What has he done? how come Valverde has attacked on numerous occasions was stronger yesterday ? Valverde beat all the main GC Contenders.

Valverde is having a good tour Quintana so far is not.

He rode the Pierre Saint-Martin climb a minute faster then Bala.

 

[ray j willings]

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Valverde is weaker than Quintana. You'd be blind to not see that

Tell me ,,,how is Quintana stronger ? What has he done? how come Valverde has attacked on numerous occasions was stronger yesterday ? Valverde beat all the main GC Contenders.

Valverde is having a good tour Quintana so far is not.

He rode the Pierre Saint-Martin climb a minute faster then Bala.

After Valverde did all the work trying to soften up Sky.

 

[Arredondo]

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Valverde is weaker than Quintana. You'd be blind to not see that

Tell me ,,,how is Quintana stronger ? What has he done? how come Valverde has attacked on numerous occasions was stronger yesterday ? Valverde beat all the main GC Contenders.

Valverde is having a good tour Quintana so far is not.

He rode the Pierre Saint-Martin climb a minute faster then Bala.

After Valverde did all the work trying to soften up Sky.

He attached two times rather soft. Don't exaggerate his work.

 

[Escarabajo]

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Valverde is weaker than Quintana. You'd be blind to not see that

Tell me ,,,how is Quintana stronger ? What has he done? how come Valverde has attacked on numerous occasions was stronger yesterday ? Valverde beat all the main GC Contenders.

Valverde is having a good tour Quintana so far is not.

He rode the Pierre Saint-Martin climb a minute faster then Bala.

After Valverde did all the work trying to soften up Sky.

Like Arredondo said, you are exaggerating.

 

[ray j willings]

Ok then , let's say Quintana did the softening up, do you think he would have got a minute on valverde...of course not. Who was stronger yesterday ? Quintana is getting a easy ride compared to valverde and so far he has been disappointing,

 

[Jspear]

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Ok then , let's say Quintana did the softening up, do you think he would have got a minute on valverde...of course not. Who was stronger yesterday ? Quintana is getting a easy ride compared to valverde and so far he has been disappointing,

Call it whatever you want. The way he is riding has put him higher in the gc than Valverde. I'm sure Quintana isn't trying to "look" stronger than Valverde. As long as he beats him in the end (which he most likely will); I'm sure he doesn't mind if people call him weaker.

 

[ray j willings]

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Ok then , let's say Quintana did the softening up, do you think he would have got a minute on valverde...of course not. Who was stronger yesterday ? Quintana is getting a easy ride compared to valverde and so far he has been disappointing,

Call it whatever you want. The way he is riding has put him higher in the gc than Valverde. I'm sure Quintana isn't trying to "look" stronger than Valverde. As long as he beats him in the end (which he most likely will); I'm sure he doesn't mind if people call him weaker.

Quintana is not Stronger than Valverde at this time. Valverde his riding great and looks up for it.
Quintana needs to step up. No Quintana fan can be happy with his performance so far. He could lose more time before he gets to the alps.
We all expect Quintana to finish ahead of Valverde as do the team, Quintana is the no 1 rider but he his not riding like the no 1 rider. He has that time gap thanks to Valverde.

 

[ILovecycling]

Ok, first person on ignore.