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So, today there are more athletes at WR and QB positions. Is that why more college teams are running spreads? I won’t deny it could be one factor. Another is they can be effective, especially picking on defensive weaknesses or where OCs are creative game planners coming up with route combos customized for each team they play. But for reasons I mentioned before, IMO, spreads being easier to teach is the primary driving force when schools only have players for 3 years.
As for Alex Smith & Mahomes, to answer your question KC drafted Mahomes to be Smith’s heir, and Alex knows it. Again while Mahomes has played well vs vanilla defenses and has lots of potential, he is not ready to be the day-1 starter yet. KC HC Reid has said QB-1 is not Mahomes this season (see TonTon’s post above). Don’t believe me or coach Reid? Then have a look at what HOF QB Dan Fouts (the color commentator on last night’s Seattle-KC game):
You are mistaken. I understand the athleticism of today’s HS players, having a son who played collegiately and now coaches HS. He has also been to regional (West coast attended by schools like #2 nationally ranked Bishop Gorman, Las Vegas, who just beat #13 DeMatha of Maryland, and plays #1 Mater Dei of Santa Ana on Sept 7) summer football camps and has some interesting observations about HS talent. Whether ‘haves’ or ‘have-nots’, the observation is the same. Yes, there are more athletes playing WR & QB than even 10 years ago. Today’s HS players do not seem to want to play RB and OL, instead preferring WR & QB positions. Makes sense from a standpoint of the available scholorships numbers game.Nomad said:
So, today there are more athletes at WR and QB positions. Is that why more college teams are running spreads? I won’t deny it could be one factor. Another is they can be effective, especially picking on defensive weaknesses or where OCs are creative game planners coming up with route combos customized for each team they play. But for reasons I mentioned before, IMO, spreads being easier to teach is the primary driving force when schools only have players for 3 years.
As for Alex Smith & Mahomes, to answer your question KC drafted Mahomes to be Smith’s heir, and Alex knows it. Again while Mahomes has played well vs vanilla defenses and has lots of potential, he is not ready to be the day-1 starter yet. KC HC Reid has said QB-1 is not Mahomes this season (see TonTon’s post above). Don’t believe me or coach Reid? Then have a look at what HOF QB Dan Fouts (the color commentator on last night’s Seattle-KC game):
At 3:51 to play in the 3rd quarter when asked how good the HC/mentor tandem of Reid/Smith is, Fouts said:
I’d rather believe Reid & HOF QB Fouts than your line of BS. LOL.
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On Seattle, AGAIN/AGAIN Rawls & Procise were out with minor injuries. Lacey had good vision and ran pretty well. Carson looks really good and does the little things to protect the ball. Tackles Odiambo & Ifedi were better, but I was disappointed in Joeckel, who allowed too much penetration, which created easy lanes for KC's lBs to plug holes. Pass blocking better than last week.
True. The kid did do some things really well though. And Andy Reid has lots of praise for Mahomes.jmdirt said:
On Seattle, AGAIN/AGAIN Rawls & Procise were out with minor injuries. Lacey had good vision and ran pretty well. Carson looks really good and does the little things to protect the ball. Tackles Odiambo & Ifedi were better, but I was disappointed in Joeckel, who allowed too much penetration, which created easy lanes for KC's lBs to plug holes. Pass blocking better than last week.
Nomad, KC moved up because: 1) Smith isn't young, 2) one hit could end his season/career, 3) they liked the gunslinger they saw on tape. I don't think they drafted him to start in '17. I have an itching feeling that you don't like AS, and that is why you're riled up over this. He's not everyone's cup of tea, and he hasn't had the post season success that even he would like, but he is a top 10 QB in the NFL. Asking why other teams didn't move up only opens 1,000 other questions about each of those teams/QBs. NOLA thinks that Daniel is the next man up, NE has Garopp, Seattle likes Boyken, Smith might be the man for the job in NYG. I'm not sure why the Steelers and Ravens didn't make bigger/better moves, but using their strategy to to indicate that PM was drafted to start doesn't make sense IMO. I don't disagree with you that it was strange that they went up to get him, but by the same token if they saw the raw QB that they wanted to build, and didn't want him to slip away, why not go get him.
Like I posted a while ago, Smith is the perfect mentor for a young gunslinger because his strong points are the weak points for PM.
Like I posted a while ago, Smith is the perfect mentor for a young gunslinger because his strong points are the weak points for PM.
Interesting read on Browns HC Hue Jackson's selection of Kiser as his day-1 starting QB:
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/08/deshone_kizer_wins_browns_star.html
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/08/deshone_kizer_wins_browns_star.html
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https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/sorting-the-preseason-pile-patrick-mahomes-might-force-chiefs-hand-in-2017/
And my point on Mahomes is based on the dynamics of the trade, his performance in the preseason and Smith’s lackluster results in the playoffs. Does Smith have any SB wins? Does he have any AFC/NFC wins? And believing coaches for what they say is a joke & an illusion. They say one thing and do another! They contradict themselves week after week. They even make stupid soundbites at post-game media addresses. Lol. Surely, you should know this by now?
As I mentioned previously, Reid made a QB change in Philly back in 2012. And he was replacing superstud Micheal Vick with a 3rd rounder in Nick Foles. Also back in 06 with the Broncos, Shanny drafted Cutler with the 11th OA, but had indicated that Cutler would learn for a year under Jake Plummer, who was coming off a 13-3 season & trip to the AFC Championship game. Well...11 games into the season and the Broncos sitting at nice 7-4, Shanny benches Plummer for Cutler. So much for the apprenticeship. Lol. And looking at the only two QBs selected with the 10th OA since 1983 (Leinart & Gabbert), both started at some point of their rookie season. Same with the only two 11th OA since 83 (Cutler & Big Ben).
KC made a desperate move drafting up to get the Texas gunslinger (this is the first QB KC has drafted in the 1st rd since 1983!). Recall that Houston was also desperate to get Mahomes (remember Mahomes' outstanding combine & pro-day practices). Buffalo held the 10th, and with Cleveland going for Garrett with the 1st, Chicago locked on Trubisky with the 2nd, and picks 3 thru 10 not needing a QB. And with Buffalo content onTaylor, they held the cards. Houston offered this year's & next year's 1st, but would not give up this year's 3rd, while KC matched the two 1st's plus their 3rd and traded up from 27th for Mahomes (btw, Houston gave up this year's & next year's 1st rd picks for Cleveland's 12th to move up from 25th and grab Watson...another desperation move after that debacle with Osweiler. Lol). So, with desperation moves like this by both KC & Houston, it sounds like both teams are disgusted with their QB situation (who would have thought).
And on Fouts: What do you expect him to say about Smith during a broadcast? Imagine if he was critical of Smith and pointed out his lousy postseason record and all that, I'm sure Smith would would be sending him and the network nasty tweets & emails...and networks don't like that kind of negative attention. It seems like these network analysts who are former QBs aren’t very critical of veteran QBs when broadcasting. Must be a bonding thing or something. Lol.
Lastly, it's probably pointless for me to continue this debate with the resident expert of this thread. It's difficult to offer a different opinion on issues such as this with so much expertise here that it becomes a waste of time. Maybe this will be the year that your guy Smith will take KC to the promised land and whole situation with Mahomes will look foolish when they could have taken Kizer or someone else in the later rounds to serve as a permanent backup to the future hall of famer. Rainbows & marshmallows...all is well & good in KC.
Who's asking you to believe me? You're the pretentious one and the resident expert on all things NFL...right? But this is an example of your imperious attitude on a different opinion offered that doesn't coincide with your position. And you seem so infatuated with Smith's stats. Big deal...that doesn't mean JS if he can't get the team past the 1st rd of the playoffs! Do you really think the KC fans give a crap about his stats if he keeps stinking up the joint in the playoffs? How many more 12-4's and 1st rd playoff losses will the fans put up with? Btw, here's a report on Mahomes that's suggests he could start at some point of the season:on3m@n@rmy said:
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/sorting-the-preseason-pile-patrick-mahomes-might-force-chiefs-hand-in-2017/
And my point on Mahomes is based on the dynamics of the trade, his performance in the preseason and Smith’s lackluster results in the playoffs. Does Smith have any SB wins? Does he have any AFC/NFC wins? And believing coaches for what they say is a joke & an illusion. They say one thing and do another! They contradict themselves week after week. They even make stupid soundbites at post-game media addresses. Lol. Surely, you should know this by now?
As I mentioned previously, Reid made a QB change in Philly back in 2012. And he was replacing superstud Micheal Vick with a 3rd rounder in Nick Foles. Also back in 06 with the Broncos, Shanny drafted Cutler with the 11th OA, but had indicated that Cutler would learn for a year under Jake Plummer, who was coming off a 13-3 season & trip to the AFC Championship game. Well...11 games into the season and the Broncos sitting at nice 7-4, Shanny benches Plummer for Cutler. So much for the apprenticeship. Lol. And looking at the only two QBs selected with the 10th OA since 1983 (Leinart & Gabbert), both started at some point of their rookie season. Same with the only two 11th OA since 83 (Cutler & Big Ben).
KC made a desperate move drafting up to get the Texas gunslinger (this is the first QB KC has drafted in the 1st rd since 1983!). Recall that Houston was also desperate to get Mahomes (remember Mahomes' outstanding combine & pro-day practices). Buffalo held the 10th, and with Cleveland going for Garrett with the 1st, Chicago locked on Trubisky with the 2nd, and picks 3 thru 10 not needing a QB. And with Buffalo content onTaylor, they held the cards. Houston offered this year's & next year's 1st, but would not give up this year's 3rd, while KC matched the two 1st's plus their 3rd and traded up from 27th for Mahomes (btw, Houston gave up this year's & next year's 1st rd picks for Cleveland's 12th to move up from 25th and grab Watson...another desperation move after that debacle with Osweiler. Lol). So, with desperation moves like this by both KC & Houston, it sounds like both teams are disgusted with their QB situation (who would have thought).
And on Fouts: What do you expect him to say about Smith during a broadcast? Imagine if he was critical of Smith and pointed out his lousy postseason record and all that, I'm sure Smith would would be sending him and the network nasty tweets & emails...and networks don't like that kind of negative attention. It seems like these network analysts who are former QBs aren’t very critical of veteran QBs when broadcasting. Must be a bonding thing or something. Lol.
Lastly, it's probably pointless for me to continue this debate with the resident expert of this thread. It's difficult to offer a different opinion on issues such as this with so much expertise here that it becomes a waste of time. Maybe this will be the year that your guy Smith will take KC to the promised land and whole situation with Mahomes will look foolish when they could have taken Kizer or someone else in the later rounds to serve as a permanent backup to the future hall of famer. Rainbows & marshmallows...all is well & good in KC.
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Riiiight. Sounds like the pot calling the Kettle black. And those of us here in agreement upthread on Smith all disagree with you. So who's the one with imperious attitude on different opinion? You can check in your HS participation award from 4 decades ago in at your next logon along with your attitude.Nomad said:
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Too bad for JE. Why is it I get the feeling this will not hurt the Patriots?movingtarget said:
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http://www.providencejournal.com/sp...edelman-out-for-2017-season-after-knee-injury
What losing JE means for Pats:on3m@n@rmy said:
http://www.providencejournal.com/sp...edelman-out-for-2017-season-after-knee-injury
KCs Spencer Ware's LCL/PCL injuries apparently not as bad as JE's. Ware will just miss time?
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ll-miss-time-with-knee-injury-lcl-pcl-damaged
I had to look up what PCL & LCL are:
Anterior cruciate ligament (ACL) is the most commonly injured knee ligament. It connects the thigh bone to the shin bone.
Posterior cruciate ligament (PCL) also links the thigh bone to the shin bone in the knee. (It’s rarely injured except in car accidents).
Lateral collateral ligament (LCL) connects the thigh bone to the fibula, the smaller bone of the lower leg on the outer side of the knee.
Medial collateral ligament (MCL) links the thigh bone to the shin bone on the inside of the knee.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ll-miss-time-with-knee-injury-lcl-pcl-damaged
I had to look up what PCL & LCL are:
Anterior cruciate ligament (ACL) is the most commonly injured knee ligament. It connects the thigh bone to the shin bone.
Posterior cruciate ligament (PCL) also links the thigh bone to the shin bone in the knee. (It’s rarely injured except in car accidents).
Lateral collateral ligament (LCL) connects the thigh bone to the fibula, the smaller bone of the lower leg on the outer side of the knee.
Medial collateral ligament (MCL) links the thigh bone to the shin bone on the inside of the knee.
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Well they are always good at plugging the gaps. Still the way he played last year he will be missed and he's an important motivator for the team. A real team player.
on3m@n@rmy said:
Well they are always good at plugging the gaps. Still the way he played last year he will be missed and he's an important motivator for the team. A real team player.
That's rough about Edelman. Having watched some of that game, I'm not someone who thinks the Pats will go 16-0, maybe not even 14-2. They do have more offensive weapons than in the past, and the defense is solid, especially the secondary, but I worry about some gaps on the lines. They don't seem to have the best past rush, and if Nate Solder is hurt enough to miss significant time, that will hurt a lot as well. However, Brady looked like an MVP, and very sharp. I won't put it past him to bring any teammate to rise way above their normal ability, and Belicheck can coach any player to a level they never thought they had, or before showed.
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Update on KC's RB Spencer Ware: out for season.
And Bears WR Cameron Meredith Carted off vs Titans with knee injury. Reportedly tore ACL.
Too many injuries.
movingtarget said:
I certainly agree with movingtarget above, but I too won't be surprised at that. Cooks for sure could fill the void caused by JE's injury. Maybe someone else?Alpe d'Huez said:
Update on KC's RB Spencer Ware: out for season.
And Bears WR Cameron Meredith Carted off vs Titans with knee injury. Reportedly tore ACL.
Too many injuries.
on3m@n@rmy said:I like Rush. Alice Cooper not so much.blutto said:
Rush were the ones. Never got the whole Alice Cooper thing. But he wrote some good songs.
on3m@n@rmy said:I like Rush. Alice Cooper not so much.blutto said:
....truth be known think Rush, the uhhh, band, suck , and Alice was a great gag for a while....but this Rush kid may be worth watching....a guy named Witten, who apparently has been around a bit, seems pretty impressed...
Cheers
Yeah, i heard QB Rush was pretty good. Will have to watch them b4 preseason is over. Does this mean it's curtains for Kellen Moore?
Band Rush can be like learning to like coffee or saki, particularly Geddy Lee's voice. Actually learned to love coffee, out of necessity sorta.
Band Rush can be like learning to like coffee or saki, particularly Geddy Lee's voice. Actually learned to love coffee, out of necessity sorta.
From what I saw, Rush has played against more scrubs than Moore. But, he will come cheaper, if the Cowboys only want 2 QB's on staff.
Early Alice Cooper (band) had some quite good albums front to back, later Alice (more solo) had some nice hits, but the albums were less solid. Though Welcome to my Nightmare was a pretty good concept album, if a bit of a gimmick, with a TV show to boot, something he basically rode the rest of his career, really. Always thought Ozzy stole some of this when he went solo.
Agree on Rush. Talented musicians, hard to digest a lot of, until you get a taste for it.
Early Alice Cooper (band) had some quite good albums front to back, later Alice (more solo) had some nice hits, but the albums were less solid. Though Welcome to my Nightmare was a pretty good concept album, if a bit of a gimmick, with a TV show to boot, something he basically rode the rest of his career, really. Always thought Ozzy stole some of this when he went solo.
Agree on Rush. Talented musicians, hard to digest a lot of, until you get a taste for it.
Hoyer looked pretty good. I was surprised when SF went all in for him, but if he can play like that, they'll be OK. SF looks like a better team.
I think that stat they had up about his play greatly increasing in play action was telling. Obviously something not lost in Shanahan. But what happens if he plays well all year, and next season Kirk Cousins becomes available?
In other QB news around the league, Broncos are fortunate Paxton Lynch only has shoulder sprain. Is expected to miss at least few weeks, but no surgery. Team is exploring options at QB.
Kaep?
Maybe someone else released in the cut down somewhere around September 2?
Kaep?
Maybe someone else released in the cut down somewhere around September 2?
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....yeah especially when two on the team are screaming arsholes....btw Peart is a sweetheart....
Cheers
Alpe d'Huez said:
....yeah especially when two on the team are screaming arsholes....btw Peart is a sweetheart....
Cheers
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