Good points Alpe, as usual.
You are mistaken. I understand the athleticism of today’s HS players, having a son who played collegiately and now coaches HS. He has also been to regional (West coast attended by schools like #2 nationally ranked Bishop Gorman, Las Vegas, who just beat #13 DeMatha of Maryland, and plays #1 Mater Dei of Santa Ana on Sept 7) summer football camps and has some interesting observations about HS talent. Whether ‘haves’ or ‘have-nots’, the observation is the same. Yes, there are more athletes playing WR & QB than even 10 years ago. Today’s HS players do not seem to want to play RB and OL, instead preferring WR & QB positions. Makes sense from a standpoint of the available scholorships numbers game.Nomad said:That's plain BS! (pretentious much?). I didn't say the sole reason most colleges run spread is because it's more exciting (though it is far more exciting than the boring pro game). The reason is because, FFS, many high schools are running it with athletes playing QB never seen before in terms of size, speed, arm strength & athleticism. Right now there are tons of dual-threat QBs playing in high schools all over the nation (check Texas for starters). My local HS that I freaking played at 39 yrs ago that historically ran the I-form now even runs spread! Many of these dual-threats with good size who are posting big numbers have already verbally committed.on3m@n@rmy said:There is a reason college FB is running more spread offenses. And it is not because it is more exciting. It is because college coaches know they only have the really good players for 3 years, maybe 4 years if red-shirted. They really good ones don't red-shirt, even some linemen. So how do you get a kid coming out of HS, who has limited knowledge, up to full speed? Use the simplest offense that is easy to teach. That is the spread offense. For every offensive play there is specific defender at risk, the QB (& team) gets the final call from the sideline using hand signals & calling cards, and the QB only has 1 or 2 reads, in particular the defender at risk. In a nutshell that is it.
Now, call it boring, but NFL defenses, with all their athletes (more so than college teams b/c only the cream of the crop make the NFL) are so much more ready to deal with spread offenses that NFL teams really need to run pro-style. NFL offenses play cat and mouse with the defense, and that in part is where NFL is more exciting - what happens pre-snap and just after snap, when all the reads by the QB are taking place. The point is, which is why ALPE mention pro-style, PLAYERS FROM COLLEGE SPREAD OFFENSES ARE NOT READY FOR THE PRO GAME. And it takes time for them to learn. Knock down Alex Smith all you want, but he is cerebral, understands how to study, how to put the offense in the best situation vs what defense is doing, and so is a good veteran for some inexperienced young gun to learn from.
I alluded to Jalen Hurts that you don't seem to understand. He was a 4-star recruit with impressive size, speed, arm strength and mind-blowing stats! (3500p/1700r). He was heavily recruited by almost everyone as a dual-threat. Newsflash: Bama transitioned to the spread last year BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT JALEN HURTS RAN IN HS! Some of these kids are playing in spread as early as the middle-school level. Perhaps, these kids would have been regulated to other skill positions 20 or so years ago, utilizing their size & speed at positions other than QB. But what's happened now is these kids have the arm strength & accuracy needed in the passing game and can play the position with the added dimension of running due to their athleticism (i.e., they can beat you with their arm or feet).
On Smith: What's with all Kool-aid you're drinking on this cat? 2-4 postseason record and NO Super Bowl appearances. He's had some great defenses & some good offensive weapons there at KC and he can't get the team past the 1st rd of the playoffs? (a 12-4 season & division title down the toilet last year! Lol). And cerebral? Big deal...so is Fitzgerald and he's now a backup. Lol. But since you're the resident expert on all matters "NFL" (?), I'll ask you this point blank: Why the hell did KC trade the house away to pick the Texas gunslinger with the *10th OA* to sit the bench??? Additionally, there are currently 7 active SB winning QBs still playing (Brady, Brees, Manning, Wilson, Flacco, Wilson & Big Ben). Some of these guys are getting up there in age and are developing chronic injuries, so, why then haven't these teams drafted any QBs in the first round, like KC and others have?
At 3:51 to play in the 3rd quarter when asked how good the HC/mentor tandem of Reid/Smith is, Fouts said:PRE-GAME - He (Alex Smith) is a winner too. 41 wins since 2013 ranks him just behind Tom Brady (47) & Russ Wilson (45). Has been an accurate passer leading them to a 12-4 record & AFC West title last year. 67.1 completion % in 2016. He realizes KC drafted Mahomes to replace him. Mahomes is not ready yet, but his upside is worth keeping an eye on him.
I’d rather believe Reid & HOF QB Fouts than your line of BS. LOL.Smith has really helped Mahomes as far as what to expect, what Alex sees & thinks on each play. Alex has been very generous on giving that information to Mahomes.
True. The kid did do some things really well though. And Andy Reid has lots of praise for Mahomes.jmdirt said:If the preseason game tonight is the tryout, Smith got the job. KC's line sucked in the second half, but the kid didn't look too good.
Who's asking you to believe me? You're the pretentious one and the resident expert on all things NFL...right? But this is an example of your imperious attitude on a different opinion offered that doesn't coincide with your position. And you seem so infatuated with Smith's stats. Big deal...that doesn't mean JS if he can't get the team past the 1st rd of the playoffs! Do you really think the KC fans give a crap about his stats if he keeps stinking up the joint in the playoffs? How many more 12-4's and 1st rd playoff losses will the fans put up with? Btw, here's a report on Mahomes that's suggests he could start at some point of the season:on3m@n@rmy said:As for Alex Smith & Mahomes, to answer your question KC drafted Mahomes to be Smith’s heir, and Alex knows it. Again while Mahomes has played well vs vanilla defenses and has lots of potential, he is not ready to be the day-1 starter yet. KC HC Reid has said QB-1 is not Mahomes this season (see TonTon’s post above). Don’t believe me or coach Reid? Then have a look at what HOF QB Dan Fouts (the color commentator on last night’s Seattle-KC game):At 3:51 to play in the 3rd quarter when asked how good the HC/mentor tandem of Reid/Smith is, Fouts said:PRE-GAME - He (Alex Smith) is a winner too. 41 wins since 2013 ranks him just behind Tom Brady (47) & Russ Wilson (45). Has been an accurate passer leading them to a 12-4 record & AFC West title last year. 67.1 completion % in 2016. He realizes KC drafted Mahomes to replace him. Mahomes is not ready yet, but his upside is worth keeping an eye on him.I’d rather believe Reid & HOF QB Fouts than your line of BS. LOL.Smith has really helped Mahomes as far as what to expect, what Alex sees & thinks on each play. Alex has been very generous on giving that information to Mahomes.
Riiiight. Sounds like the pot calling the Kettle black. And those of us here in agreement upthread on Smith all disagree with you. So who's the one with imperious attitude on different opinion? You can check in your HS participation award from 4 decades ago in at your next logon along with your attitude.Nomad said:Who's asking you to believe me? You're the pretentious one and the resident expert on all things NFL...right? But this is an example of your imperious attitude on a different opinion offered that doesn't coincide with your position..
Too bad for JE. Why is it I get the feeling this will not hurt the Patriots?movingtarget said:
What losing JE means for Pats:on3m@n@rmy said:Too bad for JE. Why is it I get the feeling this will not hurt the Patriots?movingtarget said:
Well they are always good at plugging the gaps. Still the way he played last year he will be missed and he's an important motivator for the team. A real team player.on3m@n@rmy said:Too bad for JE. Why is it I get the feeling this will not hurt the Patriots?movingtarget said:
movingtarget said:Well they are always good at plugging the gaps. Still the way he played last year he will be missed and he's an important motivator for the team. A real team player.
I certainly agree with movingtarget above, but I too won't be surprised at that. Cooks for sure could fill the void caused by JE's injury. Maybe someone else?Alpe d'Huez said:That's rough about Edelman. Having watched some of that game, I'm not someone who thinks the Pats will go 16-0, maybe not even 14-2. They do have more offensive weapons than in the past, and the defense is solid, especially the secondary, but I worry about some gaps on the lines. They don't seem to have the best past rush, and if Nate Solder is hurt enough to miss significant time, that will hurt a lot as well. However, Brady looked like an MVP, and very sharp. I won't put it past him to bring any teammate to rise way above their normal ability, and Belicheck can coach any player to a level they never thought they had, or before showed.
I like Rush. Alice Cooper not so much.blutto said:
Rush were the ones. Never got the whole Alice Cooper thing. But he wrote some good songs.on3m@n@rmy said:I like Rush. Alice Cooper not so much.blutto said:
....truth be known think Rush, the uhhh, band, suck , and Alice was a great gag for a while....but this Rush kid may be worth watching....a guy named Witten, who apparently has been around a bit, seems pretty impressed...on3m@n@rmy said:I like Rush. Alice Cooper not so much.blutto said:
....yeah especially when two on the team are screaming arsholes....btw Peart is a sweetheart....Alpe d'Huez said:From what I saw, Rush has played against more scrubs than Moore. But, he will come cheaper, if the Cowboys only want 2 QB's on staff.
Early Alice Cooper (band) had some quite good albums front to back, later Alice (more solo) had some nice hits, but the albums were less solid. Though Welcome to my Nightmare was a pretty good concept album, if a bit of a gimmick, with a TV show to boot, something he basically rode the rest of his career, really. Always thought Ozzy stole some of this when he went solo.
Agree on Rush. Talented musicians, hard to digest a lot of, until you get a taste for it.
Wow. You called it. Just watched the rerun vs Raiders.blutto said: