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Raiders ticket prices are absurd as well. Seahawk prices for the upper deck aren't so bad. Wait until The Commanders get their new stadium...

Agree on Todd Bowles issues, but I wouldn't put too much stock into an article. There were a lot of "experts" who insisted Josh McDaniels would be, and should be fired at the end of last season, after just one year. But these same experts didn't do much research to see that he was handed a total mess of a team and mess of a locker room courtesy of Jon Gruden and Mike Mayock. Lots of people seemed certain Jerry Jones would fire Mike McCarthy after two horrible playoff losses in a row.

I'm thinking Ron Rivera is almost certainly gone, once new ownership gets in. He may last the season. That's it. Mike Vrabel is probably on a hot seat, unless they start to win, or Will Levis saves the team. Kevin Stefanski may also get fired, simply because Jimmy Haslem is a terrible, meddling owner, and will blame Stefanski if Watson doesn't win enough games. Some people think the Krafts want to put Belicheck out to pasture and get Jerrod Mayo in there as HC as soon as possible.

However, team owners often have as much patience as corporate CEOs or boards of directors. Many don't know what it takes to build a winning organization, and think they can just flip the table and someone that new person will respond to pressure better, wave a magic wand, and all of a sudden the players will be better and win all the time.
 
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Alpe d'Huez said:
Raiders ticket prices are absurd as well. Seahawk prices for the upper deck aren't so bad. Wait until The Commanders get their new stadium...

Agree on Todd Bowles issues, but I wouldn't put too much stock into an article. There were a lot of "experts" who insisted Josh McDaniels would be, and should be fired at the end of last season, after just one year. But these same experts didn't do much research to see that he was handed a total mess of a team and mess of a locker room courtesy of Jon Gruden and Mike Mayock. Lots of people seemed certain Jerry Jones would fire Mike McCarthy after two horrible playoff losses in a row.

I'm thinking Ron Rivera is almost certainly gone, once new ownership gets in. He may last the season. That's it. Mike Vrabel is probably on a hot seat, unless they start to win, or Will Levis saves the team. Kevin Stefanski may also get fired, simply because Jimmy Haslem is a terrible, meddling owner, and will blame Stefanski if Watson doesn't win enough games. Some people think the Krafts want to put Belicheck out to pasture and get Jerrod Mayo in there as HC as soon as possible.

However, team owners often have as much patience as corporate CEOs or boards of directors. Many don't know what it takes to build a winning organization, and think they can just flip the table and someone that new person will respond to pressure better, wave a magic wand, and all of a sudden the players will be better and win all the time.
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Agree on Todd Bowles issues, but I wouldn't put too much stock into an article. There were a lot of "experts" who insisted Josh McDaniels would be, and should be fired at the end of last season, after just one year. But these same experts didn't do much research to see that he was handed a total mess of a team and mess of a locker room courtesy of Jon Gruden and Mike Mayock. Lots of people seemed certain Jerry Jones would fire Mike McCarthy after two horrible playoff losses in a row.
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I honestly thought McDaniels would be fired last season & I'm no expert. Lol. He was 6-11 - just one game better than Hackett at 5-12 who was booted after just one season. Lovie Smith was another one that got his walking papers after just one season with a pretty bad 3-13-1 record - which was unacceptable by ownership even given Houston's lack of a QB.

And with McDaniels this isn't his first coaching gig. He wasn't very good in a little less then 2 seasons with Denver (2009/10) going 8-8 in the 1st season but regressing to 3-9 in the 2nd season (fired with 4 games left). His OA coaching record to date is an unimpressive 17-28 (.378).

McDaniels had a proven, seasoned veteran at QB who was able to stay healthy & play the entire season. He had the league's leading rusher with Jacobs & a top 10 pass catcher in Superstar Adams. That's a pretty solid offense that should have scored more points outscoring their opponents. He's also tied with Shanahan as 8th highest paid coach in the league. Hackett also was handed a mess of the locker room courtesy of Fangio. And this was Hackett's first gig as a HC but yet he was fired.

So, what's Davis' expectations for McDaniels this season? Playoffs? Or...maybe just win a couple of more games over last season? Lol

You have a good point with Jerry Jones because every pre-season over the last several years he makes the rounds on the radio/TV shows & talks about how it's pretty much SB or bust for the team. So, either he's really fond of McCarthy or he's changed his standards to where the new benchmark for the Cowboys is to just make the playoffs?
 
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I honestly thought McDaniels would be fired last season & I'm no expert. Lol. He was 6-11 - just one game better than Hackett at 5-12 who was booted after just one season. Lovie Smith was another one that got his walking papers after just one season with a pretty bad 3-13-1 record - which was unacceptable by ownership even given Houston's lack of a QB.

And with McDaniels this isn't his first coaching gig. He wasn't very good in a little less then 2 seasons with Denver (2009/10) going 8-8 in the 1st season but regressing to 3-9 in the 2nd season (fired with 4 games left). His OA coaching record to date is an unimpressive 17-28 (.378).

McDaniels had a proven, seasoned veteran at QB who was able to stay healthy & play the entire season. He had the league's leading rusher with Jacobs & a top 10 pass catcher in Superstar Adams. That's a pretty solid offense that should have scored more points outscoring their opponents. He's also tied with Shanahan as 8th highest paid coach in the league. Hackett also was handed a mess of the locker room courtesy of Fangio. And this was Hackett's first gig as a HC but yet he was fired.

So, what's Davis' expectations for McDaniels this season? Playoffs? Or...maybe just win a couple of more games over last season? Lol

You have a good point with Jerry Jones because every pre-season over the last several years he makes the rounds on the radio/TV shows & talks about how it's pretty much SB or bust for the team. So, either he's really fond of McCarthy or he's changed his standards to where the new benchmark for the Cowboys is to just make the playoffs?
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Cowboys fans continue to chirp but they can't even get to an NFC final game. Jones looked gutted after the 49ers loss in the playoffs. Mr Irrelevant showed he was more ready than Dak ! It's pretty clear that both the 49ers and Cowboys are all about the SB. They both have strong squads and some of their most talented players aren't getting any younger.. The biggest problem for the NFC winning team is how to get past Kansas who are favourites to win another one.

I'd be surprised if McDaniels survives if the Raiders don't make it to the playoffs. Be interesting to see how Payton goes at Denver with Wilson and the Browns will be expected to do more as well with what they are paying Watson.
 
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I think last year's playoff loss was one of the worst in Dallas history, and they've had some tough ones. I think the fact they appeared completely healthy, and though they laid down in the last game of the season against Washington, they had some impressive offensive performances late, with wins over the Eagles, a thumping of the Vikings, a win over the Giants. Then go into Tampa and finish off Tom Brady. Only to go to SF and flatline against Mr. Irrellevent, looking worse and worse as the game went on. If Jerry didn't fire McCarthy after that...

As to the Raiders, I follow them quite closely, and I think the team is going to only slightly improve in 2023. Maybe 8-9. If they go 10-7 and threaten for the playoffs, I'll be surprised. Garappolo must stay healthy, for one. But they don't have a very good defense, their secondary is going to be one of the worst in the league, they lack inside pressure and the DTs don't stop the run well, they don't have LBs that can cover well. Also, they lack depth on the OL, which is otherwise decent. Their goal is to have JG quickly get the ball into their receivers' hands, and move the ball down the field. Can they? We'll see!

I honestly think the team was a far bigger mess than Dave Ziegler and Josh McDaniels knew when they were hired. A huge problem was that Derrick Carr likes to audible at the line of scrimmage, and find the open guy and hit him, a la Peyton Manning. The problem is, Carr was never as good as Manning, and didn't have a good year at all, was terrible in the red zone, and threw way too many interceptions. His YPA and YPC weren't even very high. McDaniels wants/needs a QB and offense that operates in a more calculated way. Even if you look at Tom Brady, he could improvise, but the fact is, he and McDaniels had the same mindset. Pick the play and run it to precision. If the guy is covered, find the next guy, the next.

If I'm reading Mark Davis correctly, he now realizes that it's going to take a couple seasons for the Raiders to become a complete team and start winning. Anyone can look at the draft picks that Gruden made, the trades and FA signings he made, and see a near total disaster. But the team is still somewhat of a mess, and it's not likely to turn into a quick contender with Jimmy Garappolo, even if he stays completely healthy. Davis has said a few times now the same thing Dave Ziegler has said, that the goal is to build a complete roster of everyone on the same page, and a team that is consistently good. Ziegler even mentioned the Steelers, Packers, Ravens, and yes, Patriots and now Chiefs as examples.

Now, Mark Davis has said one thing, and done another in the past. So he could say he agrees with Ziegler and McDaniels, but if the team goes 6-11 again, figure just wipe the table, and hire someone else. The problem is, you can't just keep hitting that reset button and expect a different result. Teams that just fire coaches and staff every 2-3 years never get anywhere. Look at Cleveland if you want a good example of an owner that does that, or the Raiders for that matter, and the results have spoken for themselves.

As to McDaniels time in Denver, that was 14 years ago. A lot of Raiders fans still judge him on that, but that's a long time. Ask yourself, did you learn anything at all in the last decade+ of your life? Did you not learn a single thing from your mistakes back then?

The Raiders simply don't have the players to upend the Chiefs, that's dreaming. And they don't have the depth or youth to really compete with the Chargers. So if Mark Davis thinks the team should be better than those two and make the playoffs, or he's cleaning house again, I'm sure the 2025, 2026, and 2027 Raiders will then also finish in the cellar as well.
 
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Be interesting to see how Payton goes at Denver with Wilson.
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I think anything short of the playoffs would be considered a colossal failure. Expectations have to be high when a top-10 QB & future HOF is running your offense, and you have thee Sean Payton at the helm who's a SB winning coach & should know thing or two about winning.

And Williams, Patrick & Bolles are all coming back from major injuries after missing most or all of last season. Jeudy showed potential last season at becoming a top receiver in the league. And the defense is solid with one of the best secondaries in the league

So, the stage is set for this season. I don't expect them to win the division - you still have the Gunslinger in control & Denver would be lucky to split with KC. And there's the Chargers that could be an obstacle - but I think overall they have better talent than the Chargers & should finish 2nd in the division.

Bottom line: There's 3 WC spots in the conference. If the Broncos can't secure one of those spots this season with Wilson & Payton running the show - then this franchise is forever lost.

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Denver Broncos safety Justin Simmons has revealed his first impressions of new head coach Sean Payton during the early months of the off-season ahead of the new campaign
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movingtarget said:
Interesting that Lance has been working out with Mahomes and his QB coach. Purdy still not allowed to throw a football yet.
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This is sort of why I've said even though I do think the 49ers will likely end up with Purdy as their QB for some years to come, I really think Lance is going to start the season, and start for the first 2-5 games, depending on how truly healthy Purdy is, and how Lance is playing. If Lance is playing at least good, it gives them options on who to trade. Expect to see a LOT of Sam Darnold in the pre-season, as they both test and shop him.

[Edit - It looks like the NFL has agreed to the Lions proposal to have an emergency "3rd QB" available on game day, like was done in the past. This obviously comes after what happened to the 49ers in the playoffs. I haven't read the fine detail, so I don't know if this is or must be a QB on the practice squad, or how the pay would work with that.]
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I think anything short of the playoffs would be considered a colossal failure. Expectations have to be high when a top-10 QB & future HOF is running your offense, and you have thee Sean Payton at the helm who's a SB winning coach & should know thing or two about winning.
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Good post, and I think you are spot on. KC is going to win that division. I see no one upending them there. But Denver not only has Payton, not only do they get some players back, they poured even more money into free agency. The ownership there is going to expect a return on their money, and expect this team to compete now, and win playoff games, and a Super Bowl soon. Anything less than a 10-7 record with a playoff birth will be considered a total failure. This is why I said what I did before, if Russell Wilson doesn't have a very good year, I expect them to cut bait on him after this coming season. It will be costly, but that will be the best time to rip the band-aid off, and point the ship into another direction. Maybe even doing something like trading for Trey Lance.

Wilson can then sign with the Giants and move to NY, like Ciara wants.
 
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The Raiders working with Brady is not as big of news as people think. It's not like he's going to be the QB, or GM. He might give some pep talks. But having a player own part of a team doesn't make them a winner. Especially if that player/owner is involved in decision-making. Look at Michael Jordan owning the Charlotte Hornets, who have the 5th worst record since he became a minority owner. Skip Bayless even called him the worst owner in sports, calling out some personnel decisions MJ (supposedly) made, or pushed onto the GM as terrible.

I see little to no chance Mark Davis makes Tom Brady the GM, or director of player personnel, or anything else like that. In fact, this just cements to me that Josh McDaniels and Dave Ziegler will be with the Raiders for longer than people believe.

Some Raider fans hate Brady, and hate the Patriots, but my thought is if they can turn the team into a winner and bring a SB back to the Raiders, I don't really care where the players came from. Some very loud fans just can't get over the tuck rule, which was bogus, but years ago. I found it amusing in the press conference someone asked Mark Davis if Brady admitted it was a fumble, and Mark said "no comment". :grinning:
 
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Alpe d'Huez said:
The Raiders working with Brady is not as big of news as people think. It's not like he's going to be the QB, or GM. He might give some pep talks. But having a player own part of a team doesn't make them a winner. Especially if that player/owner is involved in decision-making. Look at Michael Jordan owning the Charlotte Hornets, who have the 5th worst record since he became a minority owner. Skip Bayless even called him the worst owner in sports, calling out some personnel decisions MJ (supposedly) made, or pushed onto the GM as terrible.

I see little to no chance Mark Davis makes Tom Brady the GM, or director of player personnel, or anything else like that. In fact, this just cements to me that Josh McDaniels and Dave Ziegler will be with the Raiders for longer than people believe.

Some Raider fans hate Brady, and hate the Patriots, but my thought is if they can turn the team into a winner and bring a SB back to the Raiders, I don't really care where the players came from. Some very loud fans just can't get over the tuck rule, which was bogus, but years ago. I found it amusing in the press conference someone asked Mark Davis if Brady admitted it was a fumble, and Mark said "no comment". :grinning:
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I wonder how much of an active role TB12 will have with the team? I think that he could be a good source, at the very least, to bounce ideas off of.
 
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I wonder how much of an active role TB12 will have with the team? I think that he could be a good source, at the very least, to bounce ideas off of.
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Might be about it. Though obviously he and Josh McDaniels will talk from time to time.

Love Pat McAfee. Loved that when Pacman Jones said "just punt it out of bounds." And Pat's response? "Ok. Sure. Sounds so easy." What a great point. People think punting and kicks are just guys with strong legs, not realizing the strategy and skill involved.
 
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movingtarget said:
Yes Denver have spent big and will expect results. Denver has been a graveyard for QBs of late but Wilson will be hoping to turn it around and he should even though he isn't the player he was three or four years ago.
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This will be a pressure situation.
Watching RW for his career I'd say he went to the well to get through the last two Seahawk years to the Big Payday. There was no more upside...just the dues to pay for getting that far. Physically he will need to change his play to succeed a few more years. And grow 5 inches taller.
 
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I’m not sharing the whole article since it’s very click bait, but one interesting paragraph:
“With that development, Brady will only be allowed to suit up again if all 32 teams vote to let it happen, according to the NFL rule book. Because of the financial interest that inevitably comes with being an owner, they are forbidden to play football, thus making it unlikely that teams around the league who Brady tortured for 23 years would unanimously vote to let him go one more season.”

Would honestly be hilarious if Brady does decide to come back and all the owners vote yes.
 
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