Newsflash. Brian Cookson, british cycling, to stand against Pat McQuaid (SUI) for uci

[Eyeballs Out]

i say he looks compromised. i don't know if he is.

Potentially he could be since he is being backed with somebody else's money. It would not be surprising therefore if those backers looked for a return on their investment at some stage. But that's the way democracy works

 

[Dr. Maserati]

this is facepalm stuff, sorry to say, but apparently the doc is on a role again.
could you stop derailing a normal discussion by asking useless questions?

A normal discussion usually involves people asking people questions.
Particularly when the state something.

If you don't want to be asked about something then don't bring it in to the discussion.

 

[sniper]

Also - can you show how he is compromised, thanks.

...
How or why, in your opinion is Cookson an a-hole?

May apologies - how does he "look" compromised then.
Is it his glasses or..what exactly?

this really is facepalm stuff, sorry to say.
once again derailing an otherwise normal discussion by asking people to provide evidence for their opinion? mods, is this reportable as trolling?

check a manual on debating or something. or visit a conference once, or something.
or wait: better you don't visit a conference. you'll ruin it.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

i say he looks compromised. i don't know if he is.

Vortex being vortexed, ole.

@doc Marati:
Cookson has been a very proud member of the UCI inner circle since when again? 1994? 1995? 1996? Not even mentioning his role in British Cycling. The guy withnessed first hand what was going on and kept his mouth shut. Pluche lover. Just like a lot of my fellow countrymen.

That is how it works, and then, my dear friend doc Mas, you are an a-hole first class.

I dont know if u have any knowledge on European Football, we just call it soccer by the way, a girls game in the US, but everytime the FIFA has an election the same thing occurs, just like in the UCI, would that be a coincidence or just a pattern. I bet in athletics, track and field for you fellows, the same happends.

Pluche basta-rdos. Cant put it any different, sorry.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

this really is facepalm stuff, sorry to say.
once again derailing an otherwise normal discussion by asking people to provide evidence for their opinion? mods, is this reportable as trolling?

Report it.

I did not mention evidence (thats you trolling) - you say he is compromised, I asked how.

You seem to think 'discussion' is making statements and not allowing people question them.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

we just call it soccer by the way

You call it soccer in the Netherlands? Shame on you.

 

[fmk_RoI]

You seem to think 'discussion' is making statements and not allowing people question them.

Ironic, really, when you consider that's the way Cookson's run his campaign ...

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

You call it soccer in the Netherlands? Shame on you.

No, just translated it, we call it 'voetjebal'.

 

[sniper]

Report it.

I did not mention evidence (thats you trolling) - you say he is compromised, I asked how.

You seem to think 'discussion' is making statements and not allowing people question them.

tripple facepalm.
1. again: i didn't say he is compromised, i said he looked compromised.
2. in the post in which you made me repeat that, i also provided a quote and a link showing cookson's ties with sky. everybody with a brain understands that that was the reason why i think he is compromised.
3. there is a difference between opinion and statement.

p.s. to resolve issues 1 & 3, a dictionary would come in handy.
issue 2 is ressolvable by actually reading my posts.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

btw FGL, on a side note. I met Greg Lemond at the top of Alp d'Huez. He was just wandering around on his own. Am pleased to report he was one of the nicest guys I met on the Tour. Signed my jersey and hat and was happy to speak at length about all things cycling.

According to a few other people who knew him when he was riding he was always like this (even when he was riding and winning the Tour).

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Vortex being vortexed, ole.

@doc Marati:
Cookson has been a very proud member of the UCI inner circle since when again? 1994? 1995? 1996? Not even mentioning his role in British Cycling. The guy withnessed first hand what was going on and kept his mouth shut. Pluche lover. Just like a lot of my fellow countrymen.

That is how it works, and then, my dear friend doc Mas, you are an a-hole first class.

Thanks for all the personal insults.

Cookson is a member of the Management Committee since 2009, they meet 3 times a year.

Unless you mean just being a member of the UCI means you are an a-hole. Then you are right I have been an a-hole for some time now.
Also, anyone wishing to be Pres of the UCI has to be an a-hole.
So, Cookson is different how?

I dont know if u have any knowledge on European Football, we just call it soccer by the way, a girls game in the US, but everytime the FIFA has an election the same thing occurs, just like in the UCI, would that be a coincidence or just a pattern. I bet in athletics, track and field for you fellows, the same happends.

Pluche basta-rdos. Cant put it any different, sorry.

Sports politics - again, so what?

 

[sniper]

A normal discussion usually involves people asking people questions.

i like your everything-goes maxime, but there is a point where questions stop being relevant to a discussion and therefore only derail that discussion rather than contribute to it.
you're constantly hitting that point.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

No, just translated it, we call it 'voetjebal'.

Ok, you may continue to post then...

I was watching a video with Alistair Overeem (If you know who he is? Am pretty sure he is not doping ) and Ruud Gullit suddenly appeared. That seemed a bit surreal.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

tripple facepalm.
1. again: i didn't say he is compromised, i said he looked compromised.
2. in the post in which you made me repeat that, i also provided a quote and a link showing cookson's ties with sky. everybody with a brain understands that that was the reason why i think he is compromised.

Looks/is compromised - whatever.

Cookson is on the Board of TRL because he is the BC President. Thats part of his role.
If he becomes UCI Pres he will forfeit that.

3. there is a difference between opinion and statement.

p.s. to resolve issues 1 & 3, a dictionary would come in handy.
issue 2 is ressolvable by actually reading my posts.

Opinion, statement, fact, fiction -whatever you write, I am perfectly entitled to question. It is also noteworthy that you don't have a problem when other people ask you questions.

 

[oldcrank]

It was in Holland, dear oldcrank

Yes, of course on that point you are correct.

 

[oldcrank]

here's cookson in 2007 predicting a british tour winner in the next ten years:
http://www.tdfblog.com/2007/07/british-cycling.html
brailsford was looking for a sponsor that year.

as it stands, cookson looks pretty compromised as a uci president.
but let's see if he gets independent testing on the way.

I don't understand how saying Britain could produce a TdF
winner in ten years would possibly compromise Brian Cookson.

In 2007 British Cycling had been receiving lottery funding for
about 10 years and had become the number one track cycling
nation in the world (winning something like 7 gold, 2 silver and
2 bronze at the 2007 World Championships), and Steve Peat had
been winning World Cup downhills and overall titles for a number
of years, and Shanaze Read won the World Jnr. BMX in 2006 and
the Elite title in 2007, and Mark Cavendish had turned pro and
scored 10 wins on the road. Flushed with all that success it is
not surprising that Mr. Michael Brian Cookson OBE predicted the
possibility of a British TdF winner another decade in the future.
However, I don't see how that compromises him in any fashion.

 

[sniper]

I don't understand how saying Britain could produce a TdF
winner in ten years would possibly compromise Brian Cookson.

In 2007 British Cycling had been receiving lottery funding for
about 10 years and had become the number one track cycling
nation in the world (winning something like 7 gold, 2 silver and
2 bronze at the 2007 World Championships), and Steve Peat had
been winning World Cup downhills and overall titles for a number
of years, and Shanaze Read won the World Jnr. BMX in 2006 and
the Elite title in 2007, and Mark Cavendish had turned pro and
scored 10 wins on the road. Flushed with all that success it is
not surprising that Mr. Michael Brian Cookson OBE predicted the
possibility of a British TdF winner another decade in the future.
However, I don't see how that compromises him in any fashion.

I don't either.
My post was a response/addition to a post by Dirtyworks. There (or on the internet: keywords "Cookson" & "Sky") you might find more clues as to why imo Cookson looks a tad compromised.




Disclaimer: he "looks" compromised as in "he might be" compromised. I hope he isn't.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Thanks for all the personal insults.

Uhhhhh, where exactly am I insulting you? The vortex? Well, you deserved that exclusive nickname yourself or didnt ya?

Cookson is a member of the Management Committee since 2009, they meet 3 times a year.

You took the time to look at the specific 2010 video where he basicly stated nothing was wrong in pro - cycling. You know, with dear old Floyd Landis in the panel?

Eyes wide shut our Brian.

Lets ask him on his views on womens cycling.

Unless you mean just being a member of the UCI means you are an a-hole. Then you are right I have been an a-hole for some time now.
Also, anyone wishing to be Pres of the UCI has to be an a-hole.
So, Cookson is different how?

Grasping, straws, you can do better doc.

Sports politics - again, so what?

You are un - vortexing doc, keep the focus.

btw FGL, on a side note. I met Greg Lemond at the top of Alp d'Huez. He was just wandering around on his own. Am pleased to report he was one of the nicest guys I met on the Tour. Signed my jersey and hat and was happy to speak at length about all things cycling.

Monsieur LeMond is a nice guy, at least he was 20 years ago when he rode the Dutch 'kermesses' apres le Tour.

I dont know that football player though, but, still a funny sidenode

 

[LaFlorecita]

I've come to the point where I'd prefer McQuaid over Cookson. A British UCI president while a british team is dominating doesn't seem right to me. Ideally someone else would win but oh well.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Uhhhhh, where exactly am I insulting you? The vortex? Well, you deserved that exclusive nickname yourself or didnt ya?

Indeed, and the only people that use it do so to deflect.

I didn't insult you - I asked why you think he's an a-hole, don't blame me that your 90s inner circle thing fell apart easily.

You took the time to look at the specific 2010 video where he basicly stated nothing was wrong in pro - cycling. You know, with dear old Floyd Landis in the panel?

Eyes wide shut our Brian.

Lets ask him on his views on womens cycling.

Grasping, straws, you can do better doc.

You are un - vortexing doc, keep the focus.

Monsieur LeMond is a nice guy, at least he was 20 years ago when he rode the Dutch 'kermesses' apres le Tour.

I dont know that football player though, but, still a funny sidenode

I do remember watching the Cookson/Landis video when it was first posted here.
It would (surely) assist your point to find it and link to it again and perhaps quote him, rather than you paraphrasing.

But from memory, I don't believe he said there was nothing wrong with Pro cycling - but I remember he was vocal (almost upset/hurt) because when it was claimed the UCI were corrupt or crap.

I was actually quite impressed that he went to that Landis conference on his own free time, as well as speaking up (even if ultimately wrong) where was the rest of the UCI?


As for football/soccer - whatever you wish to call it, I couldn't give a flying monkey about it, rarely watch it, and it has nothing to do with cycling.
If your point is that the UCI can be better ran politically, I might broadly agree - but then that has zero to do with Cooksons bid.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

I do remember watching the Cookson/Landis video when it was first posted here.
It would (surely) assist your point to find it and link to it again and perhaps quote him, rather than you paraphrasing.

But from memory, I don't believe he said there was nothing wrong with Pro cycling - but I remember he was vocal (almost upset/hurt) because when it was claimed the UCI were corrupt or crap.

Getting lazy? Í will help you though, I am very altruistic:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=GtZRitztqzU#t=214s

In Holland we have a saying 'petje op, petje af', you might call it flip - flop in English. Thats how I see Cookson.

 

[sniper]

Getting lazy? Í will help you though, I am very altruistic:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=GtZRitztqzU#t=214s

In Holland we have a saying 'petje op, petje af', you might call it flip - flop in English. Thats how I see Cookson.

interesting
he's not saying anything extremely controversial there (well, nothing other than the usual UCI propaganda), although statements such as
"much more realistic set of performances this year",
"clear change in performance levels"
"I'm very optimistic about the future of cycling"
were rather unfortunate statements to make only a few days before the contador positive went public...

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Getting lazy? Í will help you though, I am very altruistic:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=GtZRitztqzU#t=214s

In Holland we have a saying 'petje op, petje af', you might call it flip - flop in English. Thats how I see Cookson.

No, sadly for you, I am not lazy.

But I or anyone else certainly was not going to look wade through 11 different segments for a point you were making. Which of course is often why people do not link or attribute things.

So - you wrote upthread" You took the time to look at the specific 2010 video where he basicly stated nothing was wrong in pro - cycling. You know, with dear old Floyd Landis in the panel?"

Brian says:

Having spent most of the last year in Professional Cycling and having seen a clear change in the performance levels of the riders that to me indicate that the Biological Passport is working, that the UCIs anti-doping efforts are working, despite the flaws in the system.

And about the UCI, Brain says:

The UCI is owned by the National Federations, so everyone that is a member of a National Federation, as many people im this room would be, have a stake in the UCI. It’s a difficult democratic system, but it is a democratic system and I think there have been some unnecessary slurs against the UCI this afternoon. I don’t think it’s a perfect body, but I do think it is doing a responsible job.

 

[oldcrank]

Why not include Australian rider Cadel Evans

Well of course I would have included Mr. Cadel Lee Evans AM,
except I was replying to a post that was referencing the last
two years, and it is well known that it is Sir Bradley Marc Wiggins
and Mr. Christopher Froome that have won the 'biggest races' in
the last two years, i.e. the 2012 TdF and the 2013 TdF.

note to Mods: not trying to derail thread, just replying to a question

 

[gooner]

McQuaid is locked in an ugly election wrangle with challenger Brian Cookson, with the pair exchanging accusations for months as they seek control of the International Cycling Union (UCI) at elections later this month.

"It has overshadowed it, yes," McQuaid, also a member of the International Olympic Committee (IOC), told Reuters at the IOC session in the Argentine capital. "Cycling has had a good year. It is unfortunate that it (campaign) has done that."

"My campaign is going well and much of the information going out (from Cookson) is unfounded," said McQuaid, who has been at the helm since 2005.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013...=401&feedType=RSS&feedName=sportsNews&rpc=401