Nibali next year programe giro or tour?

[c&cfan]

That 7th place two years ago when he wasn't nearly as good? Never happened.

don't try to apply logic and facts in a "conversation" with him. it's like raping a 34 year old virgin.

 

[roundabout]

On the crappiest route in years?

He was impressive though on the only big mountain stage.

 

[miguelvazpinto]

Amadio (Liquigas): “Nibali será el capitán en el Tour y Basso será el hombre del Giro” - biciclismo.es

Fresh news - Liquigas confirmed Basso at Giro and Nibali for TdF.

 

[El Pistolero]

That 7th place two years ago when he wasn't nearly as good? Never happened.

But even Wiggins got fourth in the Tour where they rode slowly up the mountains!

 

[hrotha]

But even Wiggins got fourth in the Tour where they rode slowly up the mountains!

But until this Vuelta Wiggins didn't have any other GT results to back it up. Nibali has podiumed the Giro twice (on some pretty tough parcourses I might add) and has won the Vuelta. Surely you can spot the difference?

 

[roundabout]

Liquigas is being sensible. Nibali will get slaughtered on stages to Pampeago and Stelvio.

 

[Kwibus]

nibali don't have a chance for top 5 in tour.

That's what you think, but there is no reason he can't. He has proven himself plenty of times now and we've all underestimated him plenty of times as well. I won't do that anymore. Nibali has a decent TT and he should be able to climb with the best. If he reached the top of the final climb with the better TT/climbers he is able to distance them on the descent. I see no reason he can't top 5. I'm not saying he will top5, but he certainly can.

 

[Kwibus]

Amadio (Liquigas): “Nibali será el capitán en el Tour y Basso será el hombre del Giro” - biciclismo.es

Fresh news - Liquigas confirmed Basso at Giro and Nibali for TdF.

Is this official news or just rumours?

 

[Kwibus]

honestly the guys seem to get along pretty well so they should be able to come to an agreement without many troubles.
i would prefer to see nibali winning the giro but understand the need he and the team have for a good performance in in the tour, after all he hasn't raced the tour since 2009, and basso reaching the end of his career prolly wants another giro win instead of a top 10 at the tour

I know they get along well and they both are very reasonable guys. Well atleast that's the impression they give me. So I'm sure they will reach an agreement, but if both really really really badly want to ride the Giro it's still going to be a tough conversation

 

[El Pistolero]

But until this Vuelta Wiggins didn't have any other GT results to back it up. Nibali has podiumed the Giro twice (on some pretty tough parcourses I might add) and has won the Vuelta. Surely you can spot the difference?

I'm just using sarcasm, because people here always called the Tour of 2009 a soft peddalling Tour and they used Wiggo getting fourth as an argument for that. Which Wiggo disproved this year as he can in fact climb. Not disagreeing with you here.

 

[roundabout]

The one who is likely to do better than the other in the Giro is also the one who is likely to do worse in the Tour. It will be a very short conversation.

 

[Kwibus]

But even Wiggins got fourth in the Tour where they rode slowly up the mountains!

I think we all know by now that Wiggins can climb fine. Not the best out there, but if the a GT has enough TT miles he's definately able to top3. a LOT of tt miles and not too hard mountain stages ofcourse

I know you used sarcasm.

 

[roundabout]

Wiggins could climb 1-climb stages in 2009 (and the long TT-friendly climbs like Petit-Saint-Bernard) and he could climb 1-climb stages in 2011. Nothing has really changed.

 

[miguelvazpinto]

Is this official news or just rumours?

It´s a statement made by Liquig´s manager Roberto Amadio to La Gazzetta dello Sport quoted by biciclismo.es. I suppose that´s official. Amadio says that next year Tour suits Nibali better and also that Basso and Sagan will be at the Tour as Nibali´s supporters.

 

[The Hitch]

That 7th place two years ago when he wasn't nearly as good? Never happened.

And would have been 6th if not for ttt

 

[The Hitch]

Seems to me like Basso is going for GIro Tour then. His best result at the Tour came after winning 2 stages in the Giro.

On this route Basso will only have to peak for 3rd week. Then a month rest, and getting back into shape on the flat and 1 or 2 hilly stages. Hell only need to be on form for 1 or 2 stages in the Tour anyway, then Liqui can play the Nibali Basso double.

Do they leave Sagan out though to go all out in this race?

 

[jens_attacks]

we have the nr 1 favourite for giro 2012 then.basso that is

it will be hard for nibali to get in the top 5 of le tour,but who knows?
no chance for basso to do something for gc in le tour.i'm 100% sure that stage 7 will be a major stage for gc,contador doing a verbier and lots of guys will lose all their hope there.

 

[Sophistic]

Seems to me like Basso is going for GIro Tour then. His best result at the Tour came after winning 2 stages in the Giro.

On this route Basso will only have to peak for 3rd week. Then a month rest, and getting back into shape on the flat and 1 or 2 hilly stages. Hell only need to be on form for 1 or 2 stages in the Tour anyway, then Liqui can play the Nibali Basso double.

Do they leave Sagan out though to go all out in this race?

But he isnt gonna have the recovery aid he back then and with the last 8 days being so touh at next years Giro, im not sure clean riders will even have blood levels to get off the couch by june

 

[karlboss]

Basso for the win in the giro and support nibali at the tour. Nibali would enter the tour as a darkhorse where descents may make the difference and Nibali would see it as a chance to take a risk. Basso has no chance at this tour, but after the Giro could play super dom with Szmyd...please.

 

[cineteq]

Basso for the win in the giro and support nibali at the tour. Nibali would enter the tour as a darkhorse where descents may make the difference and Nibali would see it as a chance to take a risk. Basso has no chance at this tour, but after the Giro could play super dom with Szmyd...please.

Dream team for Nibali, yeah!

 

[Swabian Lass]

Loks like Nibali for the Tour and Basso for the Giro, then. Shame in a way. I don't think that Basso can win the Tour or even podium whereas Nibali can podium and might even win (although only if Contador isn't riding or breaks a leg). . I think Basso might win the Giro, but I think that Nibali would be in with a very good chance.

Oh well, there are other years.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

That 7th place two years ago when he wasn't nearly as good? Never happened.

lol, against what competition? and he hasn't improved much at all. if you can't beat scarponi in a giro then top 5 in the tour, no chance, also because there's many itt km in and nibali will lose quite a bit there to his real competitors, also guys like wiggins can take 4 minutes there total.

 

[maltiv]

lol, against what competition? and he hasn't improved much at all. if you can't beat scarponi in a giro then top 5 in the tour, no chance, also because there's many itt km in and nibali will lose quite a bit there to his real competitors, also guys like wiggins can take 4 minutes there total.

Nibali, 26 years old, has these results in the last 5 GT's he finished: 7th (tdf), 3rd (giro), 1st (vuelta), 3rd (giro), 7th (vuelta). And yet he has "no chance" of a TDF top 5?

I know another rider who couldn't beat Scarponi in the giro in 2010, yet did quite well in the TDF this year. His name is Cadel Evans.

 

[hrotha]

lol, against what competition? and he hasn't improved much at all. if you can't beat scarponi in a giro then top 5 in the tour, no chance, also because there's many itt km in and nibali will lose quite a bit there to his real competitors, also guys like wiggins can take 4 minutes there total.

Against what competition? Who wasn't at that Tour? Evans because he underperformed? The competition was as good as it could get. If anything, the parcours allowed some riders to finish higher up than they would otherwise, but I'm inclined to think Nibali is one of those who would have only improved their standing if the Tour had been raced properly.

Nibali is an alright time-trialist. His real competitors for the top 5 are guys like the Schlecks and Van den Broeck who aren't better time-trialists than him.

And to say that Nibali hasn't improved is ridiculous. Just look at his results if you're too biased to analyze his performances objectively.

 

[theyoungest]

I know another rider who couldn't beat Scarponi in the giro in 2010, yet did quite well in the TDF this year. His name is Cadel Evans.

Yeah, and I know another one who did beat Scarponi at that Giro, but still didn't do that great at the Tour

How on earth will Nibali do what Evans did, that is pull the entire group of favourites closer to Andy Schleck on the Galibier, and nearly beat Tony Martin in a time trial? He's just a class below Evans.