Nibali wants ban on SRM meters

[serfla]

Look closer, I have explained it many times

You remind me on Ryo.
By ridiculing someone you're not able to understand, just makes you look more miserable.
It's not the first time you're trying to mask your ignorance by mocking.
And it's not a manner of polite, mature, attention-worthy interlocutor.

 

[Richeypen]

don't agree, the peloton will go much slower and everybody will be dead in the end, certainly in a stage race. Dull racing will be the result. Just my opinion.

Cut team size, save money and make racing much more dynamic instead.

More teams would get invited to big events as well which should encourage more sponsers

 

[LaFlorecita]

You remind me on Ryo.
By ridiculing someone you're not able to understand, just makes you look more miserable.
It's not the first time you're trying to mask your ignorance by mocking.
And it's not a manner of polite, mature, attention-worthy interlocutor.

I'm sorry I can't handle your trolling anymore. Goodnight.

 

[martinvickers]

If you ban srm but not radios, guys will just start taking their cues from incessent DS's talking in the ear - "Up a bit, hero, up a bit, up a bit, OK, that's it, stay there" ad nauseum

 

[serfla]

I'm sorry I can't handle your trolling anymore. Goodnight.

Someone disagreeing with you and giving firm arguments for that disagreement you can't answer, isn't called trolling.
It's your ignorance.

 

[cineteq]

Great Poll!!

I'm for total elimination of radios for the riders. It's turned racing into this really predictable menagerie of blah. Over and over again, the early break gets a few minutes on the field, then when the bosses figure out the math to close the gap, the radios start humming for the "real" race to start in the last 30k. Same schit every time. Boring, boring, boring....get rid of 'em!!!!! Instinct is DEAD!

This is a great quote from an older thread: Eliminate Race Radios?
You can easily replace 'radios' for 'power meters'.

 

[stefrees]

Best thing about all this, is that sky had compacts fitted today, hence srm's didn't work (courtesy of tweets between cataldo and knees)

 

[SafeBet]

Best thing about all this, is that sky had compacts fitted today, hence srm's didn't work (courtesy of tweets between cataldo and knees)

I don't think Nibbles comments were specifically about today's stage.


As for Sky, when you have the strongest riders you normally win, powermeters or not.
Still, I can't see how powermeters increase the entertainment in this sport
There's something missing. Technology might be democratic (everybody can use it) but sometimes it doesn't really improve our lives.

 

[gerundium]

Best thing about all this, is that sky had compacts fitted today, hence srm's didn't work (courtesy of tweets between cataldo and knees)

hmmm they were all riding the Powercontrol headunits and froome kept up his looking at the headunit every 2 seconds. riding on HR then?

still it's not about todays stage for me, it's just that a pro brought it up again. I posted a plea to ban SRMs a pretty long while ago here already. Power meters really change the game in a way that is seen in no other sport. There's a reason ice skaters do a lot of their summer training on the bike other than the good carryover between the sports, it's that performance is trackable down to the second.

 

[Richeypen]

hmmm they were all riding the Powercontrol headunits and froome kept up his looking at the headunit every 2 seconds. riding on HR then?

that's just the way he rides I think. Headunits were still in place but changed the cranks and chainset.

 

[stefrees]

hmmm they were all riding the Powercontrol headunits and froome kept up his looking at the headunit every 2 seconds. riding on HR then?

still it's not about todays stage for me, it's just that a pro brought it up again. I posted a plea to ban SRMs a pretty long while ago here already. Power meters really change the game in a way that is seen in no other sport. There's a reason ice skaters do a lot of their summer training on the bike other than the good carryover between the sports, it's that performance is trackable down to the second.

I'm going on what was on two sky riders twitter feeds. Fwiw, nibali seems to moans after every stage he never wins, and surely sport is about the strongest and hardest working winning, not those who do suicidal attacks because they have no nous

 

[gerundium]

Best thing about all this, is that sky had compacts fitted today, hence srm's didn't work (courtesy of tweets between cataldo and knees)

Comments like these nag on me, so i had to go in and check it out. First of all it looks like Sky is riding on the new Shimano 9000 Crank now and not on some old stock 7900. So the first error here is that they don't fit compacts anymore. The 9000 crank is supposed to take compact chainrings as well as standards. So they don't have to change cranks at all anymore.

furthermore i checked out some photos and its not entirely clear but i think that they were riding SRMs? The 9000 stuff is apparently still in very short supply (at least it was at TDU where we saw nearly all rigs still on 7900) so it's quite possible Knees and the lesser Doms are still riding 7900 while the pointy end of the team gets the 9000. picture is of Henao's bike btw and it is of CN's stage report pictures.

 

[stefrees]

Comments like these nag on me, so i had to go in and check it out. First of all it looks like Sky is riding on the new Shimano 9000 Crank now and not on some old stock 7900. So the first error here is that they don't fit compacts anymore. The 9000 crank is supposed to take compact chainrings as well as standards.

furthermore i checked out some photos and its not entirely clear but i think that they were riding SRMs? picture is of Henao's bike btw.

Go and discuss that with cataldo and knees then....

 

[Cyivel]

Cataldo and Knees are known trolls

 

[Winterfold]

Technology is neither good, nor bad, nor is it neutral.

 

[serfla]

Technology is neither good, nor bad, nor is it neutral.

So it's either good or bad?

 

[gerundium]

I'm going on what was on two sky riders twitter feeds. Fwiw, nibali seems to moans after every stage he never wins, and surely sport is about the strongest and hardest working winning, not those who do suicidal attacks because they have no nous

If the sport turns into robots riding the front all day long with nobody able to make an attack stick until we get into VO2max level efforts at the end of stages it will soon start losing popularity. it's just boring. Why do you think the classics get so much praise here? Because there we can see the competitors going after each other from 50k out sometimes. Creating epic drawn out battles where tactics and rider prowess become far more critical.

Riding tempo at 5 W/kg on the front for the first climb, then the next dom rides 5.2 W/kg for the second climb and for the third climb of the day we start at 5.5 W/kg and ramp it up by 0.1 every 2 kilometers until we can get our leader into the 3 minute barrier where the leaders will test each others remaining capacity for VO2max level efforts on the last kilometer of the stage. It's admirable for sure and the strongest steady state rider who can conserve the most for his VO2max effort will win. but is it any good for the fan / the sport? not in my opinion.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

I am starting to like Mr Nibali more and more.
Guy understand the core concept of racing.

the core concept of racing is to attack and not whine. nibali is acting ridiculous

 

[SafeBet]

Go and discuss that with cataldo and knees then....

Who cares about this?
This thread should be taken as an opportunity to discuss the utility of powermeters in pro cycling.
It seems like every discussion must turn to a pro sky vs anti sky forum war which brings us nowhere.

 

[Parrot23]

Ban the gear boxes!
2 gears are perfectly fine, just like in the old days!
One for the flat and one for the mounatin, cycling would be ****ing epic again!

LOL, no food and drink either. Time penalties for natural breaks too. 50 lb bikes as the new standard, also.

(Think Nibali's got a good point, but it's also sour grapes on his part...he's getting outfoxed by others using the very same technology)

 

[serfla]

If the sport turns into robots riding the front all day long with nobody able to make an attack stick until we get into VO2max level efforts at the end of stages it will soon start losing popularity. it's just boring. Why do you think the classics get so much praise here? Because there we can see the competitors going after each other from 50k out sometimes. Creating epic drawn out battles where tactics and rider prowess become far more critical.

Riding tempo at 5 W/kg on the front for the first climb, then the next dom rides 5.2 W/kg for the second climb and for the third climb of the day we start at 5.5 W/kg and ramp it up by 0.1 every 2 kilometers until we can get our leader into the 3 minute barrier where the leaders will test each others remaining capacity for VO2max level efforts on the last kilometer of the stage. It's admirable for sure and the strongest steady state rider who can conserve the most for his VO2max effort will win. but is it any good for the fan / the sport? not in my opinion.

Power peters have nothing to do with that concept of racing... It's present for a long time. They just make it more accurate.
Power meters per se won't ruin racing. You can select 9 members of this forum, study their limits, attach power meters on their machines, throw them in the race and they won't beat the worst pro team there is. You still have to find talents and train them in order to make the technology effective.
The ones who complain are the ones who don't have the knowledge.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

the core concept of racing is to attack and not whine. nibali is acting ridiculous

acting not the same thing as understanding is it?
And noone were able to attack the Sky train at any distance.
The result is exciting racing, but only for a short while, 1-3km. Somewhat better than a bunch sprint.

 

[Beech Mtn]

Best thing about all this, is that sky had compacts fitted today, hence srm's didn't work (courtesy of tweets between cataldo and knees)

Yet still Froome kept looking at it all day?

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

acting not the same thing as understanding is it?
And noone were able to attack the Sky train at any distance.
The result is exciting racing, but only for a short while, 1-3km. Somewhat better than a bunch sprint.

last years vuelta was great and sky's train was nowhere

besides it's not forbidden for other teams to also ride on their power meters. this is clean cycling and it sucks. we see mostly cyrbors that can't do any serious attack. every riders falls back etc. only hope is the colombians who are naturally doped.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Yet still Froome kept looking at it all day?

I wouldn't trust what cyclists say, particularly when they are blamed for something negative.