Official Alberto Contador hearing thread

[sniper]

Actually I think the bolded kinda summarize this thread up for 80% of the ppl posting. The ppl who like him wants him to get off while the ppl who dislike him wants him convicted. Shouldnt be like that but seems to be.

not sure about this.

one reason why I dislike him in the first place, is because he's such an obvious cheat, regardless of how the CLEN really entered.
He deserves a lifetime ban for defrauding the public and continuously insulting your and my intelligence, not for being a lame ***.

 

[Publicus]

This delay underscores the complexity of the case presented. I honestly don't think you can (or should) draw any conclusions about the verdict at this point. Literally anything could happen.

 

[Nilsson]

Strict liability + the origin of the meat then?

I'm not sure what you mean, but I guess the answer has to be no...

Since this case is a contamination case (whether it's contaminated meat or a contaminated blood transfusion) it's all about the balance of probabilities. Only if a contaminated transfusion is more likely than food contamination (whether the arguments are stronger or because Contador himself hasn't met the burden of proof/wasn't able to establish his case sufficiently) he will be banned. If not he will get off, and strict liability won't change that...

 

[LaFlorecita]

I'm not sure what you mean, but I guess the answer has to be no...

Since this case is a contamination case (whether it's contaminated meat or a contaminated blood transfusion) it's all about the balance of probabilities. Only if a contaminated transfusion is more likely than food contamination (whether the arguments are stronger or because Contador himself hasn't met the burden of proof/wasn't able to establish his case sufficiently) he will be banned. If not he will get off, and strict liability won't change that...

He means the fact that Alberto didn't eat the meat in China or South-America.

 

[Sciocco]

Anyway, you like AC alot, I sort of dislike the guy.
Since opposites attract, maybe we should hang out together one time?

this time no intended

And birds of a feather flock together.

Social psychologists generally find that opposites attract, but do not last.

 

[Cimber]

not sure about this.

one reason why I dislike him in the first place, is because he's such an obvious cheat, regardless of how the CLEN really entered.
He deserves a lifetime ban for defrauding the public and continuously insulting your and my intelligence, not for being a lame ***.

No u dislike him because he has been so digustingly superior most of the time (or beat your favorite or whatever), and because of that YOU think its obvious that he is a cheater (cos noone can be that good, right?). Personally I disliked him (but didnt label him as cheater fyi) untill his epic crack in Paris-nice 2009. His few but huge losses and the way he always fight back the very next day has made him grow on me.

I am personally disgusted when ppl state as a fact "that he is obviously a cheater" and that if he is cleared by CAS "they must certainly be corrupt". I dont know if he is doped or not. I will safely rely on CAS's judgement on that.... now if only they would speed things up

 

[LaFlorecita]

Anyway, you like AC alot, I sort of dislike the guy.
Since opposites attract, maybe we should hang out together one time?

this time no intended

not sure about this.

one reason why I dislike him in the first place, is because he's such an obvious cheat, regardless of how the CLEN really entered.
He deserves a lifetime ban for defrauding the public and continuously insulting your and my intelligence, not for being a lame ***.

Uhm... No. I don't think we should "hang out". I would probably cut your head off.

 

[ferryman]

From VeloNation, an interesting summary from this guy:

Independent Dutch sports lawyer Maarten Vrolijk. He is currently handling two doping-related cases pending before the European Court of Human rights, has represented a range of sportspeople in the past and was also editor of a sports law magazine for a decade.

VN: Do you have an expectation about the final outcome and what will happen?

MV: It’s always very difficult to say. Contador has always said that the amount they found in his body is so limited that it couldn’t be caused by any doping. But how do prove that that amount have been caused by eating contaminated meat? How can you prove this?

I’d say it’s a 40% chance for Contador and 60% for WADA and the UCI. I think there’s a slight advantage for WADA and the UCI.

As this is such a high-profile case, I do think that if WADA and the UCI loses, that Contador will go all the way to have all the damages paid, all the legal fees, everything.


Read more: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...tador-anti-doping-decision.aspx#ixzz1ky80PA8r

 

[cycladianpirate]

I wouldn't be too sure that the delay necessarily signifies a positive finding for Contador. An equally likely hypothesis is that CAS are spending a good deal of time perfecting a watertight judgment against Bertie which would make an appeal difficult.

For those suggesting that 'if it's only strict liability it wouldn't take long' - I'd point out that courts often make judgments on other elements of the case to add 'strings to the bow' of their finding, thus requiring any subsequent appeal to overcome, not only the primary ruling, but any secondary reasons for their coming to their decision.

That said, my 'gut feeling' is that he's walking....

 

[LaFlorecita]

From VeloNation, an interesting summary from this guy:

Independent Dutch sports lawyer Maarten Vrolijk. He is currently handling two doping-related cases pending before the European Court of Human rights, has represented a range of sportspeople in the past and was also editor of a sports law magazine for a decade.

VN: Do you have an expectation about the final outcome and what will happen?

MV: It’s always very difficult to say. Contador has always said that the amount they found in his body is so limited that it couldn’t be caused by any doping. But how do prove that that amount have been caused by eating contaminated meat? How can you prove this?

I’d say it’s a 40% chance for Contador and 60% for WADA and the UCI. I think there’s a slight advantage for WADA and the UCI.

As this is such a high-profile case, I do think that if WADA and the UCI loses, that Contador will go all the way to have all the damages paid, all the legal fees, everything.


Read more: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...tador-anti-doping-decision.aspx#ixzz1ky80PA8r

:/:/:/:/:/

 

[sniper]

Uhm... No. I don't think we should "hang out". I would probably cut your head off.

now that's foxy....

 

[BroDeal]

From VeloNation, an interesting summary from this guy:

Independent Dutch sports lawyer Maarten Vrolijk. He is currently handling two doping-related cases pending before the European Court of Human rights, has represented a range of sportspeople in the past and was also editor of a sports law magazine for a decade.

VN: Do you have an expectation about the final outcome and what will happen?

MV: It’s always very difficult to say. Contador has always said that the amount they found in his body is so limited that it couldn’t be caused by any doping. But how do prove that that amount have been caused by eating contaminated meat? How can you prove this?

I’d say it’s a 40% chance for Contador and 60% for WADA and the UCI. I think there’s a slight advantage for WADA and the UCI.

As this is such a high-profile case, I do think that if WADA and the UCI loses, that Contador will go all the way to have all the damages paid, all the legal fees, everything.


Read more: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...tador-anti-doping-decision.aspx#ixzz1ky80PA8r

I think that if WADA and the UCI loses then Contador will consider himself lucky and walk away. Poking the bear more than he has to is unwise.

 

[Cimber]

I think that if WADA and the UCI loses then Contador will consider himself lucky and walk away. Poking the bear more than he has to is unwise.

Or: a wounded bear is the most dangerous one, so its better to finish it off completely Just messing

 

[Dr. Maserati]

My take on things is that Barak has already made up his mind long ago, but is having problems convincing the other two.
The other two are most likely negotiating a deal with Barak as we speak, urging him to give them a fair share of the deal he made with Riis.

Well - lawyers know how to delay things but you know what worse? Builders.

There is probably a snag list left over from the building in Israel, and then they moved on to Baraks other place in Argentina. Then you have the usual stuff of the plumbers wont work until the paint is dry and the painters don't want to finish until the plumbers are done.

Then Barak is getting it in the ear from herself - constant texts with "builders didn't arrive today", "why are there bikes here", "just checked their facebook, they are off parachuting, WTF!!!"...

Any idea where the other 2 panel members are from so we can work out Conatdors race schedule?

 

[Benotti69]

I think that if WADA and the UCI loses then Contador will consider himself lucky and walk away. Poking the bear more than he has to is unwise.

For sure. The next 'positive' would be a big one. Just ask Landis

 

[offbyone]

This delay underscores the complexity of the case presented. I honestly don't think you can (or should) draw any conclusions about the verdict at this point. Literally anything could happen.

Clearly they are making it complex because they are taking on the idea of minimum acceptable limits and other ambiguous issues sans clear evidence. If contador wasn't so high profile this wouldn't be the case. It could be very simple. According to the rules he is in breach, suspend him. Then take on the minimum acceptable concept and allow him to appeal after that.

Either way, the endless delays are ridiculous. The ruling has to have been made, just announce it. It is almost like they are having fun with the publicity. I am not quite sure this is the type of publicity you want.

 

[ferryman]

:/:/:/:/:/

That's a new one to this old(ish) guy

 

[airstream]

Whatever the outcome, I think we all will win. The outcome itself will just come cycling world to equilibrium. If he is free to ride, we'll see an apocryphal duel Contador-Evans-Schleck Evans at the Tour. If he gets ban, we'll clearly see some new gentre, drastically new mountainous battles. Despite the widespread skepticism, I have no clue what they would be and with what surprise us. Possibly it would add to cycling excessive pragmatism or on the contrary excessive recklessness... Plus some fangirls would have more time for their personal life.

 

[LaFlorecita]

That's a new one to this old(ish) guy

What? The :/ - (not so) smiley?

 

[LaFlorecita]

Whatever the outcome, I think we all will win. The outcome itself will just come cycling world to equilibrium. If he is free to ride, we'll see an apocryphal duel Contador-Evans-Schleck Evans at the Tour. If he gets ban, we'll clearly see some new gentre, drastically new mountainous battles. Despite the widespread skepticism, I have no clue what they would be and with what surprise us. Possibly it would add to cycling excessive pragmatism or on the contrary excessive recklessness... Plus some fangirls would have more time for their personal life.

Uhm... no way a ban would be a win for me.

And I have enough time for my personal life, thank you very much. It's just that a fair part of my life consists out of fangirling.

 

[doolols]

His few but huge losses and the way he always fight back the very next day has made him grow on me.

Yeah, brilliant that. I seem to remember Flandis having huge losses one day, and then running away from the peleton the next day.

I dont know if he is doped or not. I will safely rely on CAS's judgement on that

I don't know that the CAS decision will clear up the matter of whether he doped or not.

 

[Sciocco]

fangirling.

Does this imply there is fangirling taking place on things other than Contador as well?



If Contador gets banned I will find racing less exciting, especially GTs.

 

[Havetts]

One thing the ban will do is riders that will stop watching and waiting till Contador makes his move..

 

[therealtimshady]

Whatever the outcome, I think we all will win. The outcome itself will just come cycling world to equilibrium. If he is free to ride, we'll see an apocryphal duel Contador-Evans-Schleck Evans at the Tour. If he gets ban, we'll clearly see some new gentre, drastically new mountainous battles. Despite the widespread skepticism, I have no clue what they would be and with what surprise us. Possibly it would add to cycling excessive pragmatism or on the contrary excessive recklessness... Plus some fangirls would have more time for their personal life.

I would also like to see two cadel Evans challenging for the tour de France. Now that would be some serious doping

 

[Siriuscat]

Whatever the outcome, I think we all will win. The outcome itself will just come cycling world to equilibrium. If he is free to ride, we'll see an apocryphal duel Contador-Evans-Schleck Evans at the Tour. If he gets ban, we'll clearly see some new gentre, drastically new mountainous battles. Despite the widespread skepticism, I have no clue what they would be and with what surprise us. Possibly it would add to cycling excessive pragmatism or on the contrary excessive recklessness... Plus some fangirls would have more time for their personal life.

The bold bit is hilarious.....When did Andy or either member of team Frandy ever involve themselves in an Apocryphal duel with anybody without capitualating shortly afterwards????? Example 1...LBL last year!

If Berto is banned, the racing will deteriorate to a Bruyneel based borefest, a procession exactly the same as it was between 1999 and 2005 because NO-ONE will attack, racing will be a thing of the past. Cycle racing will lose out because the one element that makes racing exciting won't be there. If the doping issues or team Frandy are your priority then you win, those of us interested in racing might as well stop watching for two years!!