Official "be nice" Lance Armstrong thread

[BroDeal]

I think Armstrong is the biggest phony of all time. His schpeel about being motivated by the fight against cancer, while on the surface nice, is completely undermined by the fact that he was out campaigning with McCain + Palin last year. (Translation 60 million uninsured Americans is fine with LA so long as he doesn't have to pay a tax hike.) Don't even get me started about what a womanizing, misogynist son of a b this individual is.

And the scary/sad thing is that he thinks he should one day be president of the U.S. Boy wouldn't that be great, a Prez who talks as much crappolo about the non-US, and is dispised in the global community as much as GWB (Lance's great friend, Yeee Haaa!!).

+2 That tells it like it is.

 

[unsheath]

Im still waiting for the JB & Lance handjob/fellatio caricature to turn up. I need a new avatar!

 

[Mont Ventoux]

A well earned 3rd place?? Yah Right!!!

Now this is a good post, because it actually offers some opinion about Lance's performance. Noone can argue that the man is a bloody miracle on the bike. I mean, taking 3+ years off and having a season interrupted by injury, then to place 3rd in the hardest and most prestigious race of all? Come on, that is incredible. Now his off-bike performance, what a disappointment. This great veteran athlete, father, and potential political candidate resorting to childish tweeting and silly mind games? I mean really, could you not afford to hire a car for the missus Lance? That's the great dichotomy that drive so many of us crazy with this guy. Love the ability, could sure live without the attitude.

This guy weasled his way to the podium!!
And did you take note of his command performance on said podium in Paris??
What a self-absorbed megalomaniacal ingrate, the likes that cycling has never seen!
Like Hinault, I want to see Alberto "pistol-whip" LA's backside, AGAIN, next year!!
It's not about the fight for Cancer, it's about Lance and his ever-expanding ego....What a knob...
On the flipside, I've got a stack of calendars, and I'm slowly crossing out the days to his eventual retirement.....AMEN.

 

[Amsterhammer]

It is possible to express your opinion without insulting others. The cyclingnews forums would be a much better place for Cyclists of all types, opinions, and backgrounds, if the Staff here actually made an effort to moderate those who are obviously interested in nothing else but trolling and insulting others.

Otherwise...things quickly descend to the lowest common denominator and keep away many who truly love this sport. And that's the biggest tragedy of all.

Amen +100

My second, and probably last contribution in this topic. The hate community really needs to get a life and stop constantly obsessing about one man. There's so much more worth talking about.

 

[BroDeal]

Amen +100

My second, and probably last contribution in this topic. The hate community really needs to get a life and stop constantly obsessing about one man. There's so much more worth talking about.

Amen +1000

My second, and probably last contribution in this topic. The sniffer community really needs to get a life and stop constantly obsessing about what others write about one man. There's so much more worth talking about.

 

[thehog]

Amen +1000

My second, and probably last contribution in this topic. The sniffer community really needs to get a life and stop constantly obsessing about what others write about one man. There's so much more worth talking about.

I think we know your beef now. I know your game. Your time is up on that front.

I suggest one thread of a non-Lance type for each post you make about Lance/doping/etc.

Agreed?

Bet you can't do it.

 

[BroDeal]

I think we know your beef now. I know your game. Your time is up on that front.

I suggest one thread of a non-Lance type for each post you make about Lance/doping/etc.

Agreed?

Bet you can't do it.

 

[thehog]

Point proven thank you.

Knew you couldn't do it.

I know you.

It ok to cry you know.

 

[thehog]

Point proven thank you.

Knew you couldn't do it.

I know you.

It ok to cry you know.

Excellent article from Psychology Today:

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...ur-children-live-strong-in-victory-and-defeat

 

[Frank71]

I'm just speculating:
A substantial part of LA's personal fortune is based on his 'name'. However, after his 'retirement' he probably noticed that his 'name' lost a lot value. So, to increase the value of the LA brand, he came out of 'retirement'.

The above argument can of course also be used in respect of his cancer campaign. While LA was king of the TdF, the LA cancer campaign went from strength to strength. When he retired the value of the name waned and support for the LA cancer foundation decreased.

Others might argue that if the value of his 'name' increases again after his comeback, the primary result would be an increase again in his wealth, prosperity (increase in appearance fees, advertising income etc) bit also his stature, i.e. being 'the Boss' again. The secondary result, increase in awareness of his cancer foundation, might then just be an excuse for the pursuit of the abovementioned primary result.

We can only deduct from his actions as to what his real goals were.

LA fans might argue that he already is rich enough and therefore we must believe him when he said that he came back for the cancer issue. This would, of course, ignore the importance, for LA, of his stature (fame).

The so-called 'haters' on the other hand, argue that his conduct during the TdF (towards Contador that stands as GT cyclist head and shoulders above the rest of the peloton) clearly illustrates that LA was not in it for cancer, but personal reasons.

When I weigh such arguments against each other, I must agree that if the overrding objective was for him to ride for cancer, he would have concentrated on advancing such cause and supported the best rider in the team(including moral support).

 

[BroDeal]

Point proven thank you.

Knew you couldn't do it.

I know you.

It ok to cry you know.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Excellent article from Psychology Today:

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...ur-children-live-strong-in-victory-and-defeat

The flaw in their report is that they used the badly phrased quote from Contador and of course failed to go into any of the polemics that had been going on since Lance announced his return in September.

Hereis the proper English translation.

 

[thehog]

Lance is wealthy. He's is not super rich. Shrewd with money and not flash. He did make significant loses with the market crashes. As did all. He was never in debt but he wasn't making the same money he was when he was riding.

He noted that the more he rode in small events the more donations he received. That was what bred the idea to return. Yes – win win. Win for the foundation, win for him. Its natural to want to benefit personally as well as for the foundation.

I'm just speculating:
A substantial part of LA's personal fortune is based on his 'name'. However, after his 'retirement' he probably noticed that his 'name' lost a lot value. So, to increase the value of the LA brand, he came out of 'retirement'.

The above argument can of course also be used in respect of his cancer campaign. While LA was king of the TdF, the LA cancer campaign went from strength to strength. When he retired the value of the name waned and support for the LA cancer foundation decreased.

Others might argue that if the value of his 'name' increases again after his comeback, the primary result would be an increase again in his wealth, prosperity (increase in appearance fees, advertising income etc) bit also his stature, i.e. being 'the Boss' again. The secondary result, increase in awareness of his cancer foundation, might then just be an excuse for the pursuit of the abovementioned primary result.

We can only deduct from his actions as to what his real goals were.

LA fans might argue that he already is rich enough and therefore we must believe him when he said that he came back for the cancer issue. This would, of course, ignore the importance, for LA, of his stature (fame).

The so-called 'haters' on the other hand, argue that his conduct during the TdF (towards Contador that stands as GT cyclist head and shoulders above the rest of the peloton) clearly illustrates that LA was not in it for cancer, but personal reasons.

When I weigh such arguments against each other, I must agree that if the overrding objective was for him to ride for cancer, he would have concentrated on advancing such cause and supported the best rider in the team(including moral support).

 

[thehog]

You're reaching. I can't hear you. I can't hear you. Can you hear the silence?

Its ok to cry.

 

[BroDeal]

You're reaching. I can't hear you. I can't hear you. Can you hear the silence?

No, you are clueless. You initially responded to a post of mine that had nothing to do with Armstrong. It was mocking Amsterhammer for the way he continually berates others for posting their opinions. Not the content of the opinion, mind you, but just that they post an opinion. In this case, after informing us that he will no longer post to this thread, he feels the need to tell others not to post anything either. Mighty strange that someone would be concerned with what is posted to a thread he no longer wants to participate in.

It is okay to admit that you burst into a tiff between two people, with no knowledge of what was going on, and made a clueless post.

 

[thehog]

No, you are clueless. You initially responded to a post of mine that had nothing to do with Armstrong. It was mocking Amsterhammer for the way he continually berates others for posting their opinions. Not the content of the opinion, mind you, but just that they post an opinion. In this case, after informing us that he will no longer post to this thread, he feels the need to tell others not to post anything either. Mighty strange that someone would be concerned with what is posted to a thread he no longer wants to participate in.

It is okay to admit that you burst into a tiff between two people, with no knowledge of what was going on, and made a clueless post.

I'll stay silent and wait for your supporters to back you up.

 

[SpeedWay]

Amen +100

My second, and probably last contribution in this topic. The hate community really needs to get a life and stop constantly obsessing about one man. There's so much more worth talking about.

Dude, you should know by now they can't help themselves. Armstrong so dominates their psyche that the women in his life are starting to get jealous of them. It's amazing that they can repeat the same thing day after day, week after week, and month after month with post counts well into the thousands. They're the virtual worlds equivalent of a psych Ph.D candidate's thesis wet dream.

 

[Amsterhammer]

I'll stay silent and wait for your supporters to back you up.

Mocking me is clearly the most exciting thing in this very sad person's existence, especially after he himself suggested 'stepping back from the edge'. All he's done since then is 'mock' me and post outright lies. Leave the troll be, he's digging his own grave and showing everybody his true colors.

 

[TRDean]

I'll stay silent and wait for your supporters to back you up.

I'm with Bro on this one hog...you should have stayed out...I think amster is more worried what other people are posting about LA and he does not like it. Move on!!

 

[TRDean]

Mocking me is clearly the most exciting thing in this very sad person's existence, especially after he himself suggested 'stepping back from the edge'. All he's done since then is 'mock' me and post outright lies. Leave the troll be, he's digging his own grave and showing everybody his true colors.

I thought you were not posting here anymore? Just let it go!!! What is wrong with you?

 

[TRDean]

Dude, you should know by now they can't help themselves. Armstrong so dominates their psyche that the women in his life are starting to get jealous of them. It's amazing that they can repeat the same thing day after day, week after week, and month after month with post counts well into the thousands. They're the virtual worlds equivalent of a psych Ph.D candidate's thesis wet dream.

Is that a personal attack on people who don't like lance? Sorry man...you need to get over it.

 

[pmcg76]

I think this idea that Lance is really popular in the peloton and with team-mates is incorrect. I wonder what Livingston, Hamilton, Landis, Andreu, Vasseur, Swart, Vaughters, Hoj, Vandevelde would say about that and some of them were close friends of his. My own impression is that Lance has never been very popular among the peloton even in his early career but is respected for his achievements.

I have heard through an inside source that people have been falling over themselves to kiss his **** since his return but it is purely to carry favour with his highness rather than any form of popularity. Lance was recently named the most powerful man in cycling by Procycling so you dont want to be on his wrong side(Bassons/Simeoni). This quote from Franco Pellizotti from 2005 says it all and kinda reflects what Contador said

"I think its good for the sport that Lance Armstrong is coming but I like Jan Ullrich better as a person. In fact, in the peloton, only Ivan Basso likes Armstrong"
Franco Pellizotti, May 2005 talking about Armstrongs decision to ride the Tour that year

Gotta love it.

 

[Jonathan]

Armstrong has a lot of authority. Well-liked or not, his team has always been able to forge useful alliances with other teams, something that could account for his general popularity. I think a lot of riders appreciated the stability the US Postal team brought to the race; many different teams could score a small slice of the pie, especially if they could keep the yellow jersey for a few days or wanted sprints. Armstrong has many allies, I think, which is going to be interesting next season, because Radioshack may not be able to automatically operate from the same position.

By the way, isn't he currently good friends with Cavendish?

 

[TRDean]

I think this idea that Lance is really popular in the peloton and with team-mates is incorrect. I wonder what Livingston, Hamilton, Landis, Andreu, Vasseur, Swart, Vaughters, Hoj, Vandevelde would say about that and some of them were close friends of his. My own impression is that Lance has never been very popular among the peloton even in his early career but is respected for his achievements.

I have heard through an inside source that people have been falling over themselves to kiss his **** since his return but it is purely to carry favour with his highness rather than any form of popularity. Lance was recently named the most powerful man in cycling by Procycling so you dont want to be on his wrong side(Bassons/Simeoni). This quote from Franco Pellizotti from 2005 says it all and kinda reflects what Contador said

"I think its good for the sport that Lance Armstrong is coming but I like Jan Ullrich better as a person. In fact, in the peloton, only Ivan Basso likes Armstrong"
Franco Pellizotti, May 2005 talking about Armstrongs decision to ride the Tour that year

Gotta love it.

Yea, I've thought the same thing for a while now...that LA is not really well liked in the peleton. He does way too much show in front of the cameras (arms around guys, chatting away, smiling, laughing). It is all a facade. I think he is respected, but not well liked.

As to the other poster about Cavendish and LA friends...that would seem to be something that was built up by Phil Liggett. "Oh look what friends they are becoming"...nothing more than crap...just because they have talked a little in the peleton does not make them best buds...but heck...maybe they really are?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Yea, I've thought the same thing for a while now...that LA is not really well liked in the peleton. He does way too much show in front of the cameras (arms around guys, chatting away, smiling, laughing). It is all a facade. I think he is respected, but not well liked.

As to the other poster about Cavendish and LA friends...that would seem to be something that was built up by Phil Liggett. "Oh look what friends they are becoming"...nothing more than crap...just because they have talked a little in the peleton does not make them best buds...but heck...maybe they really are?

Actually Cav did feature in one of the Livestrong video's! But overall I would tend to agree that Lance is respected as a Patron as opposed to being popular within the peloton.
He certainly was more chatty this year but again a lot of people would have known that he was setting up a new team.