MarkvW said:(And I insanely love to ride my bike.)
I have 10'000 km's on the clock for the past 12 months. Missing the point yet again, or obfuscating...
So team Herman or a real fan for change? Game?
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MarkvW said:(And I insanely love to ride my bike.)
MarkvW said:Yeah, somebody oughta ask those "experts" to outline precisely just what doping offense the feds could still charge Lance Armstrong with, along with the facts that would support such a charge. I guarantee you're never going to see that . . .
thehog said:The video here has to be seen. F.brilliant.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...jury-charges-following-USADA-allegations.html
Video compilation (i never doped) is brilliant. God the guy is so brazen. And i like this part:thehog said:The video here has to be seen. F.brilliant.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...jury-charges-following-USADA-allegations.html
Tinman said:I think you miss my point. I am trying to coax our heckler senior poster on this forum to make a positive contribution using his presumed skill set, for the betterment of cycling.
I also have an opinion on jurisdiction by the way. And I got the pre-empt bit. But I wouldn't have a clue how UCI would fight the jurisdiction/discovery bit, and that I would like to know.
JRTinMA said:I'm not sure what you are getting all jammed up about. Did you even read the report? Cycling has been clean since 2006! Sure maybe there was a small relapse of one single person in 2009 and 2010, a little blood doping is all. Why can't we celebrate the clean era of cycling since 2006, all of these good people who brought down the evil doper/pusher have been CLEAN! I read it in the REASONED decision.
Tinman said:Funny that. I was waiting for you folk to pop back in. It's been quiet for several days. We've had some good discussion here meanwhile.
JRTinMA said:It must be hell being so righteous.
Tinman said:It's actually called a backbone. As contrasted to spineless slimes and moulds. And you popped in just to say hi to me?
Armstrong has frequently stated that he passed more than 500 drug-tests during his career. It is another defence exploded by Usada's relentless detail. Not only was that number probably closer to 250, but so easy were the tests to evade or deceive that it appears Armstrong often found it comical.
There was no test for EPO until 2000. The window for detection, when there was, was tiny; when Ferrari advised injection direct into the vein rather than skin, it almost closed entirely.
Blood transfusions remained undetectable. When testers were on their way, Armstrong and his team frequently knew in advance; when they did arrive, saline drips could mask any evidence.
Neither was Armstrong's doping a one-off reaction to unrelenting external pressure. He doped before cancer; he doped after cancer; he doped through his glory years; and he doped in his comeback. His blood values in his valedictory 2009 and 2010 Tours, state an expert, had "less than a one in a million chance" of being natural.
JRTinMA said:It must be hell being so righteous. The report clearly states they have all been clean since 2006, the year that horrible Lance left cycling. I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles. Carry on being righteous, I probably won't be back for three or four days, my usual "pop back in" schedule.
stefank said:Are you SURE Lance left cycling in 2006? Never to come back?
JRTinMA said:I had noted in a prior post that there had been a relapse of doping after 2006 for a short time in 2009 and 2010.
veganrob said:Maybe we all read different USADA report than you. I did not see anywhere that cycling has been clean since 2006. Perhaps you could point out what page that was on.
There was a few riders claiming to be clean since then. Not the same thing as "cycling" And I don't believe they were all clean after 2006.
But really, if you want to make an arguement, have the facts from the report first.
Maxiton said:ASO says it will vacate titles if UCI upholds USADA decision. No winner during Lance years.
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/nati...c819c1ab1a46d382375a88ff981124-173893421.html
JRTinMA said:Maybe this should be in a different thread but if those second place riders were not sanctioned why shouldn't they get the win? Should they go back and take Oscar Pereiro's 2006 win away? Not sure about who was second to lance in all of them but Ullrich would pick up two more wins and I would be cool with that.
JRTinMA said:Maybe this should be in a different thread but if those second place riders were not sanctioned why shouldn't they get the win? Should they go back and take Oscar Pereiro's 2006 win away? Not sure about who was second to lance in all of them but Ullrich would pick up two more wins and I would be cool with that.
Tinman said:Lance already grooming a doping team around him in 1994 at Motorola. That changes a lot with regard to what we have believed and heard from his pals from that time...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ot...d-cyclist-hed-drugs-sacked.html#ixzz295WvcMJ9
Microchip said:This was a good read! Thanks.
Maxiton said:Precisely because they were all doping and everyone knows they were all doping; and, because it was a long time ago now; and, as a testament to a corrupt race and corrupt system; the titles should remain vacant.
However, I would be in favor of subjecting every single blood sample extant for those years to the most rigorous testing, if money can be found to do it.
Maxiton said:ASO says it will vacate titles if UCI upholds USADA decision. No winner during Lance years.
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/nati...c819c1ab1a46d382375a88ff981124-173893421.html
Microchip said:This was a good read! Thanks.