Official lance armstrong thread, part 2 (from september 2012)

[mastersracer]

Link? ......or did you just make it up?

His speaking fee WAS $200k......now, not so much. Soon it will be shopping malls and car dealerships.

I don't make stuff up. Here's the links (Washington Post, CBS, Baltimore Sun):

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...2f7f4e-10ba-11e2-be82-c3411b7680a9_story.html

http://www.cbssports.com/general/story/20502118/lance-armstrong-competes-in-triathlon-in-maryland

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/20...oundation-ulman-cancer-fund-testicular-cancer

FWIW, I'm in no way defending Armstrong. I simply doubt the view that people treat evidence with any sort of rational assessment. I can offer ample evidence, from behavioral to neural, in support, but it should be pretty obvious. There's even a comparison betweeen Armstrong and Muhammad Ali by one of the participants.

 

[Ferminal]

What is his speaking fee?

 

[thehog]

What is his speaking fee?

There's claiming you're 200k and actually being booked for that amount.

You will never know what the final price is.

John the cable guy is at 200k as well: http://www.allamericanspeakers.com/sportspeakers/searchfee.php?fee=6

 

[mewmewmew13]

Regarding what Ashenden is saying. This graph, which circulated the internet in late 2009 and which was based on the figures Armstrong published (and them withdrew) clearly illustrates what he was up to in the 2009 Tour.

Oh yeah, the blood values...
BroDeal posted that before..

 

[Kernel]

I wonder if the USADA report will become public immediatly after it has been given to the UCI. Or does the UCI have its little private time with it until they release their verdict?

 

[Race Radio]

I don't make stuff up. Here's the links (Washington Post, CBS, Baltimore Sun):

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...2f7f4e-10ba-11e2-be82-c3411b7680a9_story.html

http://www.cbssports.com/general/story/20502118/lance-armstrong-competes-in-triathlon-in-maryland

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/20...oundation-ulman-cancer-fund-testicular-cancer

FWIW, I'm in no way defending Armstrong. I simply doubt the view that people treat evidence with any sort of rational assessment. I can offer ample evidence, from behavioral to neural, in support, but it should be pretty obvious. There's even a comparison betweeen Armstrong and Muhammad Ali by one of the participants.

You do realize that none of those links support your claims right?

2011 they had 34 Pro's and 197 age groupers. 2012 they had 11 Pro's and 221 age groupers. So that is 1 extra entry.....wow. It is no surprise that the race director is trying to support his poor decision to let a disgraced doper in his race, but that does not mean it was base on fact

 

[Galic Ho]

A very reputable Australian current affairs show, 4 Corners will be doing a comprehensive report into the 'breathtaking and wide spread doping scandal' involving Lance Armstrong on Monday 15/10 http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/.
It would have to involve major criminal activity before 4 corners would do a report into doping in sports.

ABC is not reputable. But Four Corners is about the best show they offer.

I might watch. Probably won't though. Four Corners is doing the report now, to follow trends. They know the USADA report will either be out that day or slightly before. Would they have taken a stance months ago, let alone a year back? No...they don't have the nads to do any quality investigative journalism. They rely on the work of others and report post hoc. What else would I expect from the ABC?

 

[Jalina]

ABC is not reputable. But Four Corners is about the best show they offer.

I might watch. Probably won't though. Four Corners is doing the report now, to follow trends. They know the USADA report will either be out that day or slightly before. Would they have taken a stance months ago, let alone a year back? No...they don't have the nads to do any quality investigative journalism. They rely on the work of others and report post hoc. What else would I expect from the ABC?

Agreed. Unfortunately the majority of the public in this country view ACA and TT as the standard for current affairs, so what hope do we have of achieving journalistic excellence?
At least it will be a step up from foot-in-the-door journalism. I doubt if anyone in current affairs at any of the commercial networks has even a passing familiarity with the LA case. I'll watch and hope for the best.

 

[Tubeless]

I wonder if the USADA report will become public immediatly after it has been given to the UCI. Or does the UCI have its little private time with it until they release their verdict?

The USADA report will be given simultaneously to UCI, WADA & Armstrong - needless to say, someone will leak the details and there's no telling who it was.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/i...investigation-article-1.1167082#ixzz28m7ttrRn

Travis Tygart: "We will provide the reasoned decision addressing the lifetime bans and disqualifications imposed to the UCI and WADA as provided for under the world rules. We expect it to be sent no later than October 15."

 

[Tinman]

I doubt if anyone in current affairs at any of the commercial networks has even a passing familiarity with the LA case. I'll watch and hope for the best.

There's always Rupert. He's swinging and setting himself up as the go-to man once it goes off...

Time for Fairfax to get serious. This is going to be a long term project. It's not just about doping by Lance, it's about corruption in sport. And the fans waking up, and getting fed up. And cycling's hugely increasing popular appeal can bridge this. So its a long term big story that requires a long term investigative commitment.

 

[mastersracer]

You do realize that none of those links support your claims right?

2011 they had 34 Pro's and 197 age groupers. 2012 they had 11 Pro's and 221 age groupers. So that is 1 extra entry.....wow. It is no surprise that the race director is trying to support his poor decision to let a disgraced doper in his race, but that does not mean it was base on fact

The reports state there were nearly 1,000 participants. You're not counting the 400+ finishers in other categories (Olympic, Collegiate, etc). I have only seen results (finishers). The weather was bad, so unclear the # on non-starters, non-finishers. The more salient report, however, is that only 2 participants withdrew in protest of Armstrong's inclusion, so not a huge negative response.

 

[peterst6906]

...The more salient report, however, is that only 2 participants withdrew in protest of Armstrong's inclusion, so not a huge negative response.

Why should even 1 person who is setting for an event find themselves in a position where they feel the need to withdraw because an officially sanctioned doper is allowed in?

 

[peterst6906]

...The more salient report, however, is that only 2 participants withdrew in protest of Armstrong's inclusion, so not a huge negative response.

Why should even 1 person setting for an event find themselves in a position where they feel the need to withdraw because an officially sanctioned doper is allowed in?

 

[Oldman]

The reports state there were nearly 1,000 participants. You're not counting the 400+ finishers in other categories (Olympic, Collegiate, etc). I have only seen results (finishers). The weather was bad, so unclear the # on non-starters, non-finishers. The more salient report, however, is that only 2 participants withdrew in protest of Armstrong's inclusion, so not a huge negative response.

You are talking about tri-delusionals, aren't you? They seldom give up an opportunity to see themselves as major athletes.

 

[Maillot Vert]

Armstrong must pay for crimes, claims ex-Tour star LeMond

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/...crimes-claims-ex-tour-star-lemond-210305.html

"This is the best thing to happen cycling. But, what I don’t get is why should he [Armstrong] get out of jail? Basically why should he be forgiven while everyone else is paying a price? I mean, [Marco] Pantani is no longer living. He was ostracised for having a high hematocrit. Dopers have had their careers ruined — Tyler [Hamilton], Floyd [Landis], and been penalised for it and they paid the price. Armstrong has gotten caught, he needs to pay the price just like everybody else. That’s the only way justice will be served."

"If this stops at Armstrong [nothing has changed]. I would love to see [UCI president] Pat McQuaid say, ‘let’s separate the drug testing, let’s work and make the sport bulletproof as much as we can and let’s remove ourselves from this task’. Then they’re credible and they can do what they do best and run races and promote the sport.

"But they shouldn’t be in the field of drug testing because that should be done by WADA, USADA and independent bodies. Then they don’t have to defend themselves or worry about somebody calling them corrupt."

"They must work with European governments, there’s got to be a way [to eradicate doping and suspicion of same]. Bring in the best scientists and that’s really what the sport needs. But I will lose all hope if the UCI doesn’t change. I will say, ‘screw this sport’."

 

[Tinman]

You are talking about tri-delusionals, aren't you? They seldom give up an opportunity to see themselves as major athletes.

Yeah, guys who do eg. the Embrunman in France, which is well known for its bike leg at 188km and 5000 m of climbing, including the Col d’Izoard. Only that they preceed that by a 4km swim, and run a marathon afterwards. All in under 10 hours total with a sub 6 hour bike split and sub 3 hour marathon. Would not call that a major athlete of course.

But yes, totally delusional...

 

[Kernel]

The USADA report will be given simultaneously to UCI, WADA & Armstrong - needless to say, someone will leak the details and there's no telling who it was.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/i...investigation-article-1.1167082#ixzz28m7ttrRn

So then RaceRadio, when will we get it?

 

[Ferminal]

I say UCI leak it.

 

[coinneach]

Armstrong must pay for crimes, claims ex-Tour star LeMond

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/...crimes-claims-ex-tour-star-lemond-210305.html

Screw this sport???
European governments working together???

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I say UCI leak it.

Or parts of it, then accuse WADA of doing so, as part of WADA's ongoing vendetta against cycling and the good names of Pat and Heinie.

 

[skk6691]

ABC is not reputable. But Four Corners is about the best show they offer.

I might watch. Probably won't though. Four Corners is doing the report now, to follow trends. They know the USADA report will either be out that day or slightly before. Would they have taken a stance months ago, let alone a year back? No...they don't have the nads to do any quality investigative journalism. They rely on the work of others and report post hoc. What else would I expect from the ABC?

My feeling is that the USDA may have given out information that we are not privy to to media organisations on the condition that is not to be published before a certain date. In regards to the ABC, I am not sure of any other news agency that is more reputable especially compared to commercial stations and their programs TDT and ACA and as was pointed out no other media organisation in Oz has done an in-depth story on Lance.

 

[Tinman]

My feeling is that the USDA may have given out information that we are not privy to to media organisations on the condition that is not to be published before a certain date.

Interesting. Why do you feel this may be the case?

 

[skk6691]

Interesting. Why do you feel this may be the case?

I am hoping this maybe the case but this is purely a guess and the timing of the 4 corners report may be completely coincidental. I just cant imagine that they would rehash Tyler's book without adding something new to it but I could be wrong.

 

[thehog]

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...-file-was-ever-sent-to-any-of-us-experts.aspx

Anti-doping scientist Michael Ashenden has confirmed that he raised concerns about Lance Armstrong’s published blood values three years ago, while being part of the UCI’s biological passport expert group.

However the Australian said that as the UCI had first say over which profiles were assessed, that he and the other experts had to rely on the governing body to take first action and give them the passport file for examination. Without that action, they were powerless to do anything.

 

[on3m@n@rmy]

You don't know how good it is to drop into CN this morning and not see any report containing the same old dribble from he who says he's done with doping issues and won't talk about it anymore but continues to use his spokespersons to do his talking, while he squirms in the background on some beach sipping a brew.