The worst thing about all this whole debacle is that it's not just about Armstrong. It has completely devalued cycling in general. I mean nowadays you just know that everyone is doped there anyway (+ at least some probably use that so-called motor doping). What difference does disqualifying one rider make any more?
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Going after the USPS, and just canning Lance and Jphann was BS, although I did see it awesome they went after the doctors. Admittedly Lance is a fraud, a cheat and an A-Hole, however he did a lot, and I mean a lot for US Cycling. Looking at some of the riders implicated and lomgterm doctors, I really wish Tygart went about this in another way, following US anti doping penalties seen in NFL, and MBL. All Travis proved is how cycling is dirty, however I believe less dirty than more popular, and richer sports.
zarnack said:
Going after the USPS, and just canning Lance and Jphann was BS, although I did see it awesome they went after the doctors. Admittedly Lance is a fraud, a cheat and an A-Hole, however he did a lot, and I mean a lot for US Cycling. Looking at some of the riders implicated and lomgterm doctors, I really wish Tygart went about this in another way, following US anti doping penalties seen in NFL, and MBL. All Travis proved is how cycling is dirty, however I believe less dirty than more popular, and richer sports.
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Facts: USA Cycling stopped publishing an annual report. I'm sure it's because of all the good Lance did for the sport. Where are those lucrative pro cycling sponsorships needed to run a decent doping program?
Anyone you talk to about cycling that isn't kissing Lance's a__ has the opinion it is all a doped, corrupt mess. Because it is.
This Charming Man said:
Facts: USA Cycling stopped publishing an annual report. I'm sure it's because of all the good Lance did for the sport. Where are those lucrative pro cycling sponsorships needed to run a decent doping program?
Anyone you talk to about cycling that isn't kissing Lance's a__ has the opinion it is all a doped, corrupt mess. Because it is.
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Lance got singled out as the fall guy, but they didn't do anything to go after or fix the actual problem in the sport. The fact that he got the brunt of it was complete BS and did absolutely nothing for the long-term prevention of doping in the sport.
But it isn't a doped, corrupt mess because Lance cheated. Lance cheated because it's a doped, corrupt mess.DirtyWorks said:
Lance got singled out as the fall guy, but they didn't do anything to go after or fix the actual problem in the sport. The fact that he got the brunt of it was complete BS and did absolutely nothing for the long-term prevention of doping in the sport.
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The fact that Lance got the brunt of it was REALLY GOOD THEATER. Anybody who doesn't appreciate that drama should take another look at it. It had everything! It was a wonderful balloon-deflater to those who take bike racing way too seriously. It was so entertaining. (But of course, here on this forum, Lance was the worstest human being who ruined lives. LOL)
Saint Unix said:
The fact that Lance got the brunt of it was REALLY GOOD THEATER. Anybody who doesn't appreciate that drama should take another look at it. It had everything! It was a wonderful balloon-deflater to those who take bike racing way too seriously. It was so entertaining. (But of course, here on this forum, Lance was the worstest human being who ruined lives. LOL)
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Uber's IPO joins ranks of Wall Street flops
Uber plunged at the opening of trading, falling as much as 8.8% from its IPO price of $45 per share. The stock closed at $41.57
Uber's IPO got caught in a perfect storm
In all, Uber lost nearly $6 billion in market cap in its first five hours as a public company.
...or maybe not.thehog said:
Uber's IPO joins ranks of Wall Street flops
Uber plunged at the opening of trading, falling as much as 8.8% from its IPO price of $45 per share. The stock closed at $41.57
Uber's IPO got caught in a perfect storm
In all, Uber lost nearly $6 billion in market cap in its first five hours as a public company.
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Whether Uber 'flopped' on IPO misses the point. We need to know how many shares Lance has for his $100k (and on what terms..) before you can even start to calculate how much his holding is worth...
I'll contend that he has done more than very well should he have sold his entire holding on IPO day.
StyrbjornSterki said:
Whether Uber 'flopped' on IPO misses the point. We need to know how many shares Lance has for his $100k (and on what terms..) before you can even start to calculate how much his holding is worth...
I'll contend that he has done more than very well should he have sold his entire holding on IPO day.
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Thanks. Good link. It seems that Lance got in early enough (2009). I wonder if he sold his holding on IPO day?
StyrbjornSterki said:
Thanks. Good link. It seems that Lance got in early enough (2009). I wonder if he sold his holding on IPO day?
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Exactly! I always get a huge laugh whenever someone uses the "they all doped, so what" response. They did? You sure? Have any proof that EVERY SINGLE RIDER during Wonderboys run was in fact doping?
"Well erm...i erm...."..
DirtyWorks said:
Exactly! I always get a huge laugh whenever someone uses the "they all doped, so what" response. They did? You sure? Have any proof that EVERY SINGLE RIDER during Wonderboys run was in fact doping?
"Well erm...i erm...."..
Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 4 (Post-Settlement
Certainly every one of Armstrong's main rivals on Tour de France podium were found doping at some point apart from Escartin. Given Armstrong basically admitted to doping for all wins, would be amateurish of the others to not be. Back in those days the opinion was that doping was being a good professional. EPO not even detectable for 3/4 of Armstrong's wins anyway and half it was as good as legalised by UCI anyway.
Alex Zülle
Fernando Escartín
Jan Ullrich
Joseba Beloki
Raimondas Rumšas
Alexander Vinokourov
Andreas Klöden
Ivan Basso
Certainly every one of Armstrong's main rivals on Tour de France podium were found doping at some point apart from Escartin. Given Armstrong basically admitted to doping for all wins, would be amateurish of the others to not be. Back in those days the opinion was that doping was being a good professional. EPO not even detectable for 3/4 of Armstrong's wins anyway and half it was as good as legalised by UCI anyway.
Alex Zülle
Fernando Escartín
Jan Ullrich
Joseba Beloki
Raimondas Rumšas
Alexander Vinokourov
Andreas Klöden
Ivan Basso
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Reports 2009-2015DirtyWorks said:
Reports 2015-2017
2018 is not due yet.
Turns out there's Clinic facts, and real facts. Rarely the twain meet.
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Well I assume 'they all dope' we're discussing all the riders that Armstrong beat. 99% of the peloton he isn't having to beat, they are the team mates sacrificing themselves for the GC contenders he did.
As for Sky/Ineos I've no idea what the question is?
lartiste said:
Well I assume 'they all dope' we're discussing all the riders that Armstrong beat. 99% of the peloton he isn't having to beat, they are the team mates sacrificing themselves for the GC contenders he did.
As for Sky/Ineos I've no idea what the question is?
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Indeed, you are correct, his money was/is in a Lowercase Capital venture cap. fund.
fmk_RoI said:
Indeed, you are correct, his money was/is in a Lowercase Capital venture cap. fund.
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Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 4 (Post-Settlement
"I wouldn't change a thing".
There ya go. In case anyone here still thinks he has been rehabilitated or somehow changed. Nope. He's learned nothing. He would still cheat the same, lie the same, ruin lives the same... "wouldn't change a thing".
http://www.startribune.com/nbcsn-to-air-30-minute-interview-with-lance-armstrong/510324372/
"I wouldn't change a thing".
There ya go. In case anyone here still thinks he has been rehabilitated or somehow changed. Nope. He's learned nothing. He would still cheat the same, lie the same, ruin lives the same... "wouldn't change a thing".
Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 4 (Post-Settlement
I think, from the excerpts, that's somewhat misrepresenting what he meant. I took it to mean that he's not unhappy with the person he is today, and doping and subsequent takedown are all part of him now. Where I think he shows that he has indeed learned nothing is that he seems to say that he wouldn't change the way he acted toward others (although he suggests there's more to it than that).
None of this is really cycling or doping related but it's been shown time and again that contrition is a winning strategy. I think we all can agree that an apology for doping would be pretty meaningless, especially from him, but to say, "I was an ass, I acted like an ass, I treated friends and enemies alike horribly. I don't expect you to forgive me for doping, I'm working every day on being a better person." -- that might win him a few points.
But, clearly, that's not in his makeup. I'm looking forward to the whole interview.
Ninety5rpm said:
I think, from the excerpts, that's somewhat misrepresenting what he meant. I took it to mean that he's not unhappy with the person he is today, and doping and subsequent takedown are all part of him now. Where I think he shows that he has indeed learned nothing is that he seems to say that he wouldn't change the way he acted toward others (although he suggests there's more to it than that).
None of this is really cycling or doping related but it's been shown time and again that contrition is a winning strategy. I think we all can agree that an apology for doping would be pretty meaningless, especially from him, but to say, "I was an ass, I acted like an ass, I treated friends and enemies alike horribly. I don't expect you to forgive me for doping, I'm working every day on being a better person." -- that might win him a few points.
But, clearly, that's not in his makeup. I'm looking forward to the whole interview.
Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 4 (Post-Settlement
WTF?
You still don’t understand your roll in all this? :geek:
Ninety5rpm said:
WTF?
You still don’t understand your roll in all this? :geek:
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Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 4 (Post-Settlement
Actually he means that going through all this has changed him and makes him what he is today. You're right the whole thing is taken out of context and used to fuel interest in this tired, dead story.
Bolder said:
Actually he means that going through all this has changed him and makes him what he is today. You're right the whole thing is taken out of context and used to fuel interest in this tired, dead story.
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Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 4 (Post-Settlement
Where's Flandis since all has went down, he's remained relatively quiet & not continually had to keep doing everything to remain relevant, unlike Wonderboy.
Same with Georgy Porgy, Levi, etc...we rarely hear anything about them these days.
But guess who can't help himself in slathering himself as much as he can EVERYWHERE? Wonderboy.
He knows he still has ball washers who STILL feed him attention, and him being an attention w:#!$, he has no problem continuing on. He's STILL yet to apologize to LeMond and Betsy, Frankie, Walsh, etc., doubt he ever will. There are folks who sadly STILL think he's done nothing wrong and what he did was no big deal. These are also the same folks who believe doping isn't going on today.
But keep in mind, it's Wonderboy who continues beating the dead horse and continuing to keep it in the publics view.red_flanders said:
Where's Flandis since all has went down, he's remained relatively quiet & not continually had to keep doing everything to remain relevant, unlike Wonderboy.
Same with Georgy Porgy, Levi, etc...we rarely hear anything about them these days.
But guess who can't help himself in slathering himself as much as he can EVERYWHERE? Wonderboy.
He knows he still has ball washers who STILL feed him attention, and him being an attention w:#!$, he has no problem continuing on. He's STILL yet to apologize to LeMond and Betsy, Frankie, Walsh, etc., doubt he ever will. There are folks who sadly STILL think he's done nothing wrong and what he did was no big deal. These are also the same folks who believe doping isn't going on today.
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