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MacRoadie

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JRTinMA said:
Dopers are dopers. I have always defended you for what you did but I see no degrees of cheating. He became a fraud the day he cheated, you apologists can decide the scale. Talk to the guys left behind who didn't dope and see who's right. Doperssuck
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Beautiful. A lecture on cheating from the guy whining because Cobblestoned, a guy with vitriol oozing from every pore and who never met a doper he didn't like, got the ban hammer.

#potmeetkettle
 
JRTinMA

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Beautiful. A lecture on cheating from the guy whining because Cobblestoned, a guy with vitriol oozing from every pore and who never met a doper he didn't like, got the ban hammer.

#potmeetkettle
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I was whining? Try again harder as Betsy would say.
 
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JRTinMA said:
Dopers are dopers. I have always defended you for what you did but I see no degrees of cheating. He became a fraud the day he cheated, you apologists can decide the scale. Talk to the guys left behind who didn't dope and see who's right. Doperssuck
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Yeah, I guess I am "apologist".

In European pro racing from 1993 or 1994 to 2001 when they introduced the EPO test, literally 99% (or more) of the peloton was using EPO. There was no test for it, and if you didn't use it you weren't even pack fodder -- you were so off the back that you couldn't get a contract.

The Festina affair rocked the boat a bit -- but then Lance righted the doping ship. The only people that were really affected were the French. I believe that some laws were passed in France as a result of that. So the French teams were relatively clean after mid-1998.

I still have to laugh (or cry!) at Hinault commentating, saying how the French teams were not training hard enough and that they needed to be more aggressive. "Attack, attack, attack" was Bernard's advice. But it's hard to attack when everybody but you is cheating...

So we had nearly a full decade when virtually the whole peloton was doping. Should we be more angry at someone like Frankie who admitted it in an attempt to clean up the sport, or at someone like Indurain who undoubtedly doped his way to five consecutive TdF's (plus a couple of Giros) and to this day refuses to speak out or even condemn the dopers caught this year?
 
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JRTinMA said:
Schleck dumb ***. It was in response to the fact that FA only used once. Sorry for the confusion on the first names.
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MMmmmm. Got it.

A clue? You need to get one.
 
JRTinMA

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Yeah, I guess I am "apologist".

In European pro racing from 1993 or 1994 to 2001 when they introduced the EPO test, literally 99% (or more) of the peloton was using EPO. There was no test for it, and if you didn't use it you weren't even pack fodder -- you were so off the back that you couldn't get a contract.

The Festina affair rocked the boat a bit -- but then Lance righted the doping ship. The only people that were really affected were the French. I believe that some laws were passed in France as a result of that. So the French teams were relatively clean after mid-1998.

I still have to laugh (or cry!) at Hinault commentating, saying how the French teams were not training hard enough and that they needed to be more aggressive. "Attack, attack, attack" was Bernard's advice. But it's hard to attack when everybody but you is cheating...

So we had nearly a full decade when virtually the whole peloton was doping. Should we be more angry at someone like Frankie who admitted it in an attempt to clean up the sport, or at someone like Indurain who undoubtedly doped his way to five consecutive TdF's (plus a couple of Giros) and to this day refuses to speak out or even condemn the dopers caught this year?
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Who was the first doper caught after Festina affair? Who righted the doping ship? Know your history, I don't mean LA's post dated TUE or Frankie's admission years later. Think Giro 99
 
Dr. Maserati

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JRTinMA said:
Schleck dumb ***. It was in response to the fact that FA only used once. Sorry for the confusion on the first names.
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You are still confused.

Frankie never said he used it "once" - which was clearly stated in the post and the linked article.

I have never heard Schleck being referred to as Frankie - your true colors are showing, quite aptly, they are yellow.
 
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JRTinMA said:
Who was the first doper caught after Festina affair? Who righted the doping ship? Know your history, I don't mean LA's post dated TUE or Frankie's admission years later. Think Giro 99
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You obviously don't know your history - Pantani was not caught for dope.
 
MacRoadie

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JRTinMA said:
I was whining? Try again harder as Betsy would say.
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Ok. How about this.

"A guy asking the mods why Cobblestoned was banned, when the offending post was in that very same thread, on the very same page, and was still pandering and condescending even after it was edited by a mod."
 
D-Queued

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JRTinMA said:
Schleck dumb ***. It was in response to the fact that FA only used once. Sorry for the confusion on the first names.
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Nice rebound.

I'm gonna give you this one. Others may not.

You seem bright enough, however, to realize:

1. That the dialog (initiated by you) was about Frankie Andreu. In fact, it was really a less than thinly veiled attempted character assassination of Betsy.
2. That it is Frank, and not Frankie, Schleck.

I am going to pass on researching your posting record. But, you will likely already have a pretty good idea of how many times you have commented on or otherwise critiqued Frank Scheck. Particularly as that may be compared to how often you have attacked Betsy.

Other than the fact that Betsy told the truth about Lance (Edit to add) WITH LANCE IN THE ROOM WHEN SHE GAVE HER DEPOSITION, and called out her husband for an apparent EPO-enhanced performance, there is really no other reason to cite her in any discussion about doping or alleged dopers.

Anyone that targets Betsy does so with about as wide a willfull ignorance of facts as can be cited.

Dave.
 
JRTinMA

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MacRoadie said:
Ok. How about this.

"A guy asking the mods why Cobblestoned was banned, when the offending post was in that very same thread, on the very same page, and was still pandering and condescending even after it was edited by a mod."
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So what? You said I was whining. Just say "I misrepresented the facts."
 
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ricara said:
Yeah, I guess I am "apologist".

In European pro racing from 1993 or 1994 to 2001 when they introduced the EPO test, literally 99% (or more) of the peloton was using EPO. There was no test for it, and if you didn't use it you weren't even pack fodder -- you were so off the back that you couldn't get a contract.

The Festina affair rocked the boat a bit -- but then Lance righted the doping ship. The only people that were really affected were the French. I believe that some laws were passed in France as a result of that. So the French teams were relatively clean after mid-1998.

I still have to laugh (or cry!) at Hinault commentating, saying how the French teams were not training hard enough and that they needed to be more aggressive. "Attack, attack, attack" was Bernard's advice. But it's hard to attack when everybody but you is cheating...

So we had nearly a full decade when virtually the whole peloton was doping. Should we be more angry at someone like Frankie who admitted it in an attempt to clean up the sport, or at someone like Indurain who undoubtedly doped his way to five consecutive TdF's (plus a couple of Giros) and to this day refuses to speak out or even condemn the dopers caught this year?
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With the official crackdown on doping in France after the Festina affair, USPS moved its training headquarters from France to Girona, Spain for "tax reasons"!

I was watching one TdF broadcast the season or so after during the final stages and Paul Sherwen, sidekick to Phil Liggett, made a blunder in an observation with words to the effect:

"The French riders and teams are suffering from the anti-doping stance in France. Unprecedently not one French rider has won a stage and a French rider holds the "Lanterne Rouge" (last place)."
 
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So how did he score a 50+ doc? Just say it. Was he dehydrated?
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It's pretty simple. Did Pantani test positive for EPO? Did he test positive for any banned substance? Did he need a back dated TUE to keep from getting bounced from the TdF?

Pantani was cleaner than Lance, no? Most tested athlete... never tested positive... all he needed was a charity to rip off those he was charged to help and he could have been a king.
 
JRTinMA

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Dr. Maserati said:
He did have a score over 50% which required a 2 week rest for health reasons - not a failed dope test.
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Answer the question. Something you demand all the time when you're busy derailing threads. How did he score a 52?
 
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