Official Lance Armstrong Thread **READ POST #1 BEFORE POSTING**

[Velodude]

You may want to brush up on Common vs Preferred stock and what a holding company does.

I am professionally conversant with corporation structures.

The salient facts are that Rupert Murdoch does not "own" News Corporation and neither is there a holding company in place controlled by any person to hold controlling voting or non voting stock in News Corporation.

Murdoch personally owns about 1.3% of the voting stock but holds a proxy from the Murdoch Family Trust which permits him to exercise voting rights amounting to 40% of the total voting stock.

The beneficiaries of the Murdoch Family Trust are his children. Murdoch holds no beneficial interest in the stock held by the Murdoch Family Trust and this was a requirement in Australia under media ownership law when Murdoch took up US citizenship.

Here's what the proxy statement has to say about all this:

"Cruden Financial Services LLC, a Delaware limited liability company ("Cruden Financial Services"), the corporate trustee of the Murdoch Family Trust, has the power to vote and to dispose or direct the vote and disposition of the reported Class B Common Stock. In addition, Cruden Financial Services has the power to exercise the limited vote and to dispose or direct the limited vote and disposition of the reported Class A Common Stock. As a result of Mr. K.R. Murdoch's ability to appoint certain members of the board of directors of Cruden Financial Services, Mr. K.R. Murdoch may be deemed to be a beneficial owner of the shares beneficially owned by the Murdoch Family Trust. Mr. K.R. Murdoch, however, disclaims any beneficial ownership of such shares."

 

[JRTinMA]

I am professionally conversant with corporation structures.

The salient facts are that Rupert Murdoch does not "own" News Corporation and neither is there a holding company in place controlled by any person to hold controlling voting or non voting stock in News Corporation.

Murdoch personally owns about 1.3% of the voting stock but holds a proxy from the Murdoch Family Trust which permits him to exercise voting rights amounting to 40% of the total voting stock.

The beneficiaries of the Murdoch Family Trust are his children. Murdoch holds no beneficial interest in the stock held by the Murdoch Family Trust and this was a requirement in Australia under media ownership law when Murdoch took up US citizenship.

Meh, you win...

 

[theswordsman]

Please raise your hand if you're compensated to post here.

The timing is interesting, because the 60 Minutes piece was some time ago. Maybe the Murdoch news inspired someone? He can't successfully sue for libel, since the chances that anything leaked wasn't true is remote.

So basically, instead of waiting to find out who the investigators are, and trying to find some way to discredit each of them, he wants to spend my taxpayer money to investigate the investigators, before he's ever indicted for anything? I agree with what others have suggested, that maybe this is a preemptive strike against a kill shot?

The seven-time Tour de France winner is also asking a judge to order the government to discuss their media contacts, saying the leaks could only have come from someone within the US government. Armstrong says the leaks have sullied his reputation.

His reputation was pretty much lies anyway. In the 60 Minutes piece, they had Tyler speaking on his own, as Landis has done in the past, so the only leak I recall was Hincapie. The fact that he's still allowed to ride suggests that he got a deal from USADA, and someone there could have spoken up.

"The leaker in this case has, from the beginning, acted with the obvious intent of legitimising the government's investigation of a national hero, best known for his role in the fight against cancer," the court papers said.

It's good to see that his main claim to fame is no longer "Seven Time Tour de France Champion".

Armstrong also listed Sports Illustrated and CBS's "60 Minutes" as receiving leaked information and said he hoped he could get the journalists to reveal their sources.

It is tough to bully, threaten, coerce or punish guys if you can't identify them.

Armstrong's lawyers asked the court to consider holding secret hearings to question the US agents.
He also wants the court to consider accessing telephone records and emails of contacts between journalists and government workers with access to grand jury information.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/af...docId=CNG.6ab865f108c0ef8cf298cb5482c5fa7c.71

This whole thing makes me sick again. But I do trust in the investigation. It would be fun if the French Customs or police have some interaction with Armstrong when he pops in to fight cancer.

 

[mewmewmew13]

It makes me sick to think of him as a "national hero".

 

[Semper Fidelis]

at this thread. LMAO

 

[Berzin]

Can anyone confirm the rumor that Leipheimer gave evidence against Armstrong to the Feds?

Because if so, he like Hincapie has also been allowed to race, so one can only surmise that he too got the same deal from USADA that George received.

 

[hfer07]

"character Assassination" that really made me laugh-and the worst part of it is the amounts of dollars he's paying to those lawyers to come up with such ridiculous statement--like he didn't apply "character Assassination" to those opposing to his will & challenging the Omerta back in the day......
I keep saying--money badly invested

 

[Polish]

It makes me sick to think of him as a "national hero".

Me too.

He's International.
Global Cancer Initiative anyone.
Tour de France Champion and World Champion.

But don't get me wrong - USPro Champ was awesome too.
Manayunk Wall Grrrrr.

 

[D-Queued]

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Get over yourselves.
Novitzky is a psychopath.
As for the tone, tenor, intelligence, and logic here on these forums, AMF. THis place is a joke, a bad joke.
http://bungalowbillscw.blogspot.com/2011/07/fda-bureaucrat-jeff-novitzky-gets.html

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ROTFLMAO

From the omniscient one that can speak for all "sentient beings"... we get this?

Novitzky a psychopath?

You don't like it here?

Solution = go away.

...

Anyway, is there a public filing?

Yes, it is - though I don't know exactly how/where. (and nothing material about Italy or France)

The Notice reads:

"To be filed publicly - not to be placed under seal"

It is 24 pages worth of nonsense.

Here is the bit on Hincapie:

“Hincapie's testimony in front of the grand jury. Hincapie and his attorney adamantly denied being the source of the leak, which makes perfect sense given that Hincapie is still racing and would not want to jeopardize his Tour status by publicly admitting to using a perforance-enhancing drug. THus, the only other possible source of this information is people with access to grand jury information; i.e., government agents.”

Oooo Government Agents Ooooo

Right. Did they get George or his attorney to state that under oath?

Were they asking George if he had taken drugs? Or, were they asking him if he observed Lance taking drugs. How could statements about observing Lance taking drugs jeopardize his Tour status?

Here is another great leap of logic:

"...Sports Illustrated reporter Selena Roberts cited a "source familiar with the government's investigation of Armstrong." (snipped reference to Armstrong's lawyer) The fact that Novitzky, the lead investigator in the Armstrong case, works for the FDA strongly suggests that the source of this leak was a government agent."

What connection does Novitzky have to the SI article???? So you are saying that Novitzky is the only person "familiar with the government's investigation"? Not. even. possible.

Pure Steely Dan -> pretzel logic

All conjecture and innuendo. No facts.

There are four attorneys who signed the document, but it looks like another Vrijman newspaper clipping hack job.

Dave.

 

[Anonymous]

Me too.

He's International.
Global Cancer Initiative anyone.
Tour de France Champion and World Champion.

But don't get me wrong - USPro Champ was awesome too.
Manayunk Wall Grrrrr.

WTF are all those Saturn guys doing hanging with the his Awesomeness on the Wall?? Grrrr Arghhhh.

Is that Paolinetti on the left of Armstrong??? Grrrr. lol.

 

[Velodude]

Can anyone confirm the rumor that Leipheimer gave evidence against Armstrong to the Feds?

Because if so, he like Hincapie has also been allowed to race, so one can only surmise that he too got the same deal from USADA that George received.

I cannot see how USADA could give GH a leave pass to compete as USADA would not have available the secret GJ testimony to proceed to convict and ban GH in the first place.

It could only act on GH's alleged GJ admission or confession when his testimony is unsealed. Otherwise they have no admissible evidence.

 

[MacRoadie]

WTF are all those Saturn guys doing hanging with the his Awesomeness on the Wall?? Grrrr Arghhhh.

Is that Paolinetti on the left of Armstrong??? Grrrr. lol.

I believe you are correct sir...

 

[MacRoadie]

I cannot see how USADA could give GH a leave pass to compete as USADA would not have available the secret GJ testimony to proceed to convict and ban GH in the first place.

It could only act on GH's alleged GJ admission or confession when his testimony is unsealed. Otherwise they have no admissible evidence.

Quit stating the blatantly obvious. You'll take all the wind out of their sails..

 

[Velodude]

Journalists will risk incarceration rather than disclose their sources.

Happened in BALCO case when 2 journalists from the San Francisco Chronicle refused to reveal the source of their information of GJ witness testimonies.

However, FBI were tipped off by a former defence investigator it was BALCO founder Conte's lawyer, Troy Ellerman, and a plea deal was arranged and charges against the journalists dropped.

Ellerman was a piece of work as at the time he was the source of the leaks and a complainant that because of the leaks the charges should be dismissed as his client could not have a fair trial. Mmmmm, just wondering...

While he was secretly leaking the transcripts, Ellerman acknowledged Wednesday, he was publicly complaining to a federal judge about the leaks, and even filed a motion in October 2004 to dismiss charges, arguing that the disclosures made a fair trial "practically impossible.''
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/02/14/BAGPRO4RVR3.DTL

 

[D-Queued]

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Ellerman was a piece of work as at the time he was the source of the leaks and a complainant that because of the leaks the charges should be dismissed as his client could not have a fair trial. Mmmmm, just wondering...

No way.

Lance might pay off the UCI, lie about being a Board member of Tailwind, intimidate witnesses, horde and distribute HemAssist - a controlled and non-FDA approved drug, threaten other riders in front of TV cameras, pay off other athletes and teams, be the single largest user of water in Austin... but would never, ever stoop to something like that.

No way. Not our Lance.

Dave.

 

[BillytheKid]

The knife cuts deep.

I'm still right. Its owned by News Limited and not Sky as the poster had suggested.

Nice Google effort but I'm still right!

Yay for theHog!!!!!

Regardless of the News "Limited or Corp" They're both Murdoch.

 

[Oldman]

Yes, of course its the same guy.
CN has had a bug up its rear end about LA and now we see the posters here are simply water carriers for the bosses and editors. Why, but why, would CN do a "profile" of Novitzky that is not a profile, but a puff piece with absolutely no journalism attached or anywhere to be found?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/lance-armstrongs-new-nemesis-federal-agent-jeff-novitzky

Get over yourselves.
Novitzky is a psychopath.


As this investigation unfolds, it's important to keep in mind that, on one level, it's not really about crime or indictments. It's about publicly shaming an athlete who Novitzky suspects has broken his covenant with the public. Novitzky is quite capable of committing an unlawful act to complete that mission, just as Conte and Canny suggest.

Really? You are past logic.

 

[Oldman]

Emma will have something to say.

 

[BillytheKid]

If it is a pattern then it should be easy to provide an example...so far nobody has, just press releases from defendants and their lawyers.

Here's a typical Lance story from VeloNation last year.

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/4...corroborated-by-at-least-two-individuals.aspx

VeloNation sights The Washington Post. Notice the source reference as "with knowledge of the investigation." One can only assume an investigator and staff would have knowledge of an investigation and hence allegations of leaks.

And here's what your looking for form the New York Times:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9803E6DE1538F936A25752C0A9639C8B63

Reference the third paragraph...Barry Bonds etc.

 

[Velodude]

Here's a typical Lance story from VeloNation last year.

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/4...corroborated-by-at-least-two-individuals.aspx

VeloNation sights The Washington Post. Notice the source reference as "with knowledge of the investigation." One can only assume an investigator and staff would have knowledge of an investigation and hence allegations of leaks.

And here's what your looking for form the New York Times:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9803E6DE1538F936A25752C0A9639C8B63

Reference the third paragraph...Barry Bonds etc.

Billy, a witness before the Grand Jury has compartmental knowledge of the investigation. A witness is not legally restrained from communicating his/her testimony outside the GJ room.

The leaks in the BALCO/Barry Bonds GJ testimonies were from the lawyer acting for one of the defendants, Victor Conte - founder of BALCO. Not through the prosecutors, investigators or staff. See my previous post

 

[The Gnome]

So now Armstrong is calling for an investigation of the investigation...interesting considering that one of his ruses is trying to convince joe sixpack public that his hard earned tax dollars are being wasted on investigations by big bad government...

 

[Benotti69]

So now Armstrong is calling for an investigation of the investigation...interesting considering that one of his ruses is trying to convince joe sixpack public that his hard earned tax dollars are being wasted on investigations by big bad government...

Absolutely. If he had nothing to hide he would assist in every way possible to prove he was clean and innocent, but he is hampering it as much as he can. Guilty guilty guilty. End of.

Imagine that people still believe the guy

 

[sniper]

Absolutely. If he had nothing to hide he would assist in every way possible to prove he was clean and innocent, but he is hampering it as much as he can. Guilty guilty guilty. End of.

Imagine that people still believe the guy

yeah.
but what saddens me most is that, with the most clearest pieces of evidence all on the table, and the whistleblowers standing in line, the UCI still doesn't do one single bit to sort it out, and there seem to be no powers from outside to enforce some sort of a revolt.
Bruyneel accused of orchestrating teamdoping? who cares.
Floyd's former supplier now AC's coach? who cares.

 

[thehog]

Responding to the notice, Lou Ferrara, AP's managing editor for sports, said: "The AP has been aggressive in covering this important story. AP reporters will continue to pursue the truth. This action will not stop us."

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-newswire-20110719,0,1470326.story

 

[theswordsman]

After reading the quote below, my first thought was that Lance's legal team is like the guys who helped Charlie Sheen put on those Warlock Ustream shows. They tried to go after 60 Minutes, who pointed out the mistakes in the complaint. This certainly won't slow down the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, or New York Times - if anything they'll be way more enthusiastic in the pursuit.

One immediate problem with the 20-page motion is that it misidentifies some publications as recipients of government leaks in instances when those publications were not the first to publish the news. For example, on July 16, 2010, the Daily News was the first to report that three-time Tour de France champion Greg LeMond had received a grand jury subpoena; Keker's motion attributes the story to the Wall Street Journal, which, like the Daily News and other publications, based its reporting on the subpoena largely on statements made on the record by Greg LeMond's wife, Kathy LeMond.

That fact underlines the second problem with the motion: It implies that recipients of grand jury subpoenas and witnesses who have been interviewed by federal agents are not constitutionally entitled to disclose their involvement with a grand jury investigation, even if their government interviewers are not. They are.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/iteam/2011/07/19/2011-07-19_team_lance_fights_leaks.html