Official Lance Armstrong Thread **READ POST #1 BEFORE POSTING**

[Race Radio]

You are either being intentionally obtuse or are really really stupid.

Look, We know you are embarrassed but that is no reason for name calling.

Your claim was Novitzky has repeatedly leaked to the press in past cases. Let us no when you can find something, anything, that supports this claim. So far you have just cut and pasted a bunch of fail

 

[JRTinMA]

The knife cuts deep.

I'm still right. Its owned by News Limited and not Sky as the poster had suggested.

Nice Google effort but I'm still right!

Yay for theHog!!!!!

I think even a Florida jury would find you both guilty of being wrong

AND its News Corp not News Limited, which is also owned by News Corp.

 

[sniper]

Lance just twittered this link a couple of hours ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0D0zfB1l1x0

 

[frenchfry]

Armstrong a "victim"?

As Polish might say, wah wah

 

[Benotti69]

Lance just twittered this link a couple of hours ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0D0zfB1l1x0

the only groupies he has left are male.........

 

[elizab]

If Novitzky is so unethical, why thenwhen he was on the stand at the Bonds trial did the defense not go after his alleged unethical and illegal behavior? (Perfect opportunity to lie ala Jose Baez about George Anthony) The defense would've gone after him while he was on the stand with guns ablazing leaving no stone unturned. They didn't. Smear, smear, smear. Lance has gone after Novitzky actually lying about him. Why? The soundbite makes the print. Lance and his paying posse can say, claim, lie whatever they want about the feds, prosecutors because they know the response from them will always be the same i.e. "no comment" because the integrity of the investigation is respected by those conducting it.
Lance, that you're crying "character assassination" is a complete joke. You've not hesitated in your attempts to malign me and blatantly lie about me and try to destroy Frankie's career in the sport as you did Greg's company with Trek. Now you're crying foul? I didn't realize you had such a good sense of humor.

 

[Oldman]

If Novitzky is so unethical, why thenwhen he was on the stand at the Bonds trial did the defense not go after his alleged unethical and illegal behavior? (Perfect opportunity to lie ala Jose Baez about George Anthony) The defense would've gone after him while he was on the stand with guns ablazing leaving no stone unturned. They didn't. Smear, smear, smear. Lance has gone after Novitzky actually lying about him. Why? The soundbite makes the print. Lance and his paying posse can say, claim, lie whatever they want about the feds, prosecutors because they know the response from them will always be the same i.e. "no comment" because the integrity of the investigation is respected by those conducting it.
Lance, that you're crying "character assassination" is a complete joke. You've not hesitated in your attempts to malign me and blatantly lie about me and try to destroy Frankie's career in the sport as you did Greg's company with Trek. Now you're crying foul? I didn't realize you had such a good sense of humor.

I was just going to ask what "character" was being assasinated? He'd have to have some for it to die, wouldn't he? Unfortunately for him the testimony is largely in the can so his team is hoping to save some Michelob Ultra commercial payments. His image is disappearing from public view and that's got to hurt.

 

[D-Queued]

If Novitzky is so unethical, why thenwhen he was on the stand at the Bonds trial did the defense not go after his alleged unethical and illegal behavior? (Perfect opportunity to lie ala Jose Baez about George Anthony) The defense would've gone after him while he was on the stand with guns ablazing leaving no stone unturned. They didn't. Smear, smear, smear. Lance has gone after Novitzky actually lying about him. Why? The soundbite makes the print. Lance and his paying posse can say, claim, lie whatever they want about the feds, prosecutors because they know the response from them will always be the same i.e. "no comment" because the integrity of the investigation is respected by those conducting it.
Lance, that you're crying "character assassination" is a complete joke. You've not hesitated in your attempts to malign me and blatantly lie about me and try to destroy Frankie's career in the sport as you did Greg's company with Trek. Now you're crying foul? I didn't realize you had such a good sense of humor.

LOL - well stated, but they aren't listening.

Facts? What facts? Lance isn't playing with facts, and definitely not with a full deck.

This is all smear by Lance and the peanut gallery, and all FAIL.

Depending on your viewpoint, it is one step up or down, from asking Novitzky how he liked his hotel and flight to/from Europe.

Perhaps the taunting and baseless allegations are trying to damage the government's case by suggesting that both sides play at the same level. Not.

Pretty clear that Lance's lawyers told him to STFU after the last stupid outburst. This must be their way of appeasing their client - do something, anything if you won't let me do something.

Dave.

 

[thehog]

Maybe this move was more a "block"? Perhaps some more Lance info is about to "leak" this week?

LOL - well stated, but they aren't listening.

Facts? What facts? Lance isn't playing with facts, and definitely not with a full deck.

This is all smear by Lance and the peanut gallery, and all FAIL.

Depending on your viewpoint, it is one step up or down, from asking Novitzky how he liked his hotel and flight to/from Europe.

Perhaps the taunting and baseless allegations are trying to damage the government's case by suggesting that both sides play at the same level. Not.

Pretty clear that Lance's lawyers told him to STFU after the last stupid outburst. This must be their way of appeasing their client - do something, anything if you won't let me do something.

Dave.

 

[D-Queued]

Maybe this move was more a "block"? Maybe some more Lance info it about to "leak" this week?

Maybe there is some organization and planning.

Looks more like chaos and emotional reactivity to me and a client with money burning holes in his pockets.

Dave.

 

[Berzin]

Depending on your viewpoint, it is one step up or down, from asking Novitzky how he liked his hotel and flight to/from Europe.

Perhaps the taunting and baseless allegations are trying to damage the government's case by suggesting that both sides play at the same level. Not.

Pretty clear that Lance's lawyers told him to STFU after the last stupid outburst. This must be their way of appeasing their client - do something, anything if you won't let me do something.

Dave.

Dave, Armstrong has NOT shut up since that crack about Novitzky. I'm sure his lawyers told him to chill, and maybe what we have witnessed is actually a restrained Armstrong, but there was the congratulatory tweet to Ekimov after Hamilton gave up his Olympic gold medal, the Cache Cache incident and I'm sure a few others I don't recall at the moment.

And now this. Armstrong hasn't stopped with his bull. But that's how it is when you're living the Ultra life, isn't it?

 

[D-Queued]

Dave, Armstrong has NOT shut up since that crack about Novitzky. I'm sure his lawyers told him to chill, and maybe what we have witnessed is actually a restrained Armstrong, but there was the congratulatory tweet to Ekimov after Hamilton gave up his Olympic gold medal, the Cache Cache incident and I'm sure a few others I don't recall at the moment.

And now this. Armstrong hasn't stopped with his bull. But that's how you it is when you're living the Ultra life, isn't it?

You are right.

I was thinking, more recently, since Cache Cache, silence has been the SOP.

Dave.

 

[Velodude]

WSJ is published by DJC which is owned by News Corp which is owned by Murdoch. FFS you can't even get the facts straight let alone your predictions.

Your facts also need an overhaul.

The Murdoch "family" own only 29% of the publicly issued and listed shares in News Corp..

Rupert Murdoch's personal holding would be significantly less. His family holding consists personal holdings, corporations and trusts relating to his centenarian mother (widow of the founder, Sir Keith Murdoch), 2 ex wifes, 1 current wife, and at least 5 children and their spouses.

Rupert Murdoch is not personally identified as a stockholder in the list of the top 20 stockholders in the A or B common stock as per the 2010 financial statements (page 99)

 

[Velodude]

Originally Posted by Polish
I remember one of the many leaks a while back by an "unnamed source close to the investigation" that discussed GJ Witnessess crying during their testimonies waawaa.

Multiple witnessess could not hold back their tears boohoo.

That struck me as odd.

How did THAT get leaked?

Got a link?

It appears to have come from her own lawyer...

Polish, I feel like the experience of another deja vu moment. Weird

PS:
We have exceeded the 500 page milestone. Were not you going to throw a party for this unprecedented attention your idol has received?

 

[uspostal]

Not sure is this the same guy !!!

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=li-novitzky020309

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Not sure is this the same guy !!!

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=li-novitzky020309

When you say "the same guy" - I hope you mean the same reporter whose story 'Davestoller' quoted (but did not link) earlier.

Yes, it's the same single reporter Jonthan Littman.

 

[Trond Vidar]

We have exceeded the 500 page milestone. Were not you going to throw a party for this unprecedented attention your idol has received?

I never understood why people don't go for the max posts per page in the User CP. I am only on page 127. With todays internetspeeds the loadtimes are very low.

 

[Race Radio]

When you say "the same guy" - I hope you mean the same reporter whose story 'Davestoller' quoted (but did not link) earlier.

Yes, it's the same single reporter Jonthan Littman.

You really should put "Reporter" in quotes when it comes to Littman.

Funny thing about that smear campaign....none of it was used at trial. Easy to get a hack reporter to write something, far harder to present it where it would be cross examinded under oath

Despite the best efforts of $900 per hours lawyers to smear himNovitzky was cleared cleared

The investigation, as previously reported in the Daily News, was for the missing evidence and for leaking confidential investigative information. The investigation was apparently closed after six months.

Still waiting for Dave to show us all those examples of Novitzky leaking to the media.

 

[D-Queued]

...
Still waiting for Dave to show us all those examples of Novitzky leaking to the media.

Mr. Stoller appears to have broken away (sic).

Dave.

 

[davestoller]

Not sure is this the same guy !!!

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=li-novitzky020309

Yes, of course its the same guy.
CN has had a bug up its rear end about LA and now we see the posters here are simply water carriers for the bosses and editors. Why, but why, would CN do a "profile" of Novitzky that is not a profile, but a puff piece with absolutely no journalism attached or anywhere to be found?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/lance-armstrongs-new-nemesis-federal-agent-jeff-novitzky

Get over yourselves.
Novitzky is a psychopath.
As for the tone, tenor, intelligence, and logic here on these forums, AMF. THis place is a joke, a bad joke.
http://bungalowbillscw.blogspot.com/2011/07/fda-bureaucrat-jeff-novitzky-gets.html

http://deadspin.com/5821286/despite...-work-cheating-at-sports-is-still-not-a-crime

Meanwhile, Novitzky, who moved to the FDA in 2008 and works for its Office of Criminal Investigations (OCI), has been given wide latitude to work as a free agent with no fixed schedule. According to a source familiar with OCI's workings, "they feel like they report to no one and can do what they want. All the agents want to do is spend all their time on high-profile cases that, at best, tangentially involve the Federal Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act," meant to protect the health and safety of the nation. So nobody is going to call Novitzky off.

As this investigation unfolds, it's important to keep in mind that, on one level, it's not really about crime or indictments. It's about publicly shaming an athlete who Novitzky suspects has broken his covenant with the public. Novitzky is quite capable of committing an unlawful act to complete that mission, just as Conte and Canny suggest.

During the BALCO investigation, Novitzky once asked a judge to approve a search warrant of computer files at a company called Comprehensive Drug Testing. The files were secret, the results of a trial run of dope tests conducted by Major League Baseball. The judge granted the warrant but with clear restrictions. Novitzky could not view any files until a computer-forensics expert had isolated the records of the few players Novitzky claimed were linked to BALCO, and then he was to view only those files.

Novitzky defied that order. He rooted out the files on all the players tested and took the list, an act the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit later called "unlawful." Other judges called it a "callous disregard for the rights of third parties" and "harassment."

The names of players found their way into selected newspapers.

 

[Damiano Machiavelli]

Yes, of course its the same guy.
CN has had a bug up its rear end about LA and now we see the posters here are simply water carriers for the bosses and editors. Why, but why, would CN do a "profile" of Novitzky that is not a profile, but a puff piece with absolutely no journalism attached or anywhere to be found?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/lance-armstrongs-new-nemesis-federal-agent-jeff-novitzky

Get over yourselves.
Novitzky is a psychopath.
As for the tone, tenor, intelligence, and logic here on these forums, AMF. THis place is a joke, a bad joke.
http://bungalowbillscw.blogspot.com/2011/07/fda-bureaucrat-jeff-novitzky-gets.html

http://deadspin.com/5821286/despite...-work-cheating-at-sports-is-still-not-a-crime

Meanwhile, Novitzky, who moved to the FDA in 2008 and works for its Office of Criminal Investigations (OCI), has been given wide latitude to work as a free agent with no fixed schedule. According to a source familiar with OCI's workings, "they feel like they report to no one and can do what they want. All the agents want to do is spend all their time on high-profile cases that, at best, tangentially involve the Federal Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act," meant to protect the health and safety of the nation. So nobody is going to call Novitzky off.

As this investigation unfolds, it's important to keep in mind that, on one level, it's not really about crime or indictments. It's about publicly shaming an athlete who Novitzky suspects has broken his covenant with the public. Novitzky is quite capable of committing an unlawful act to complete that mission, just as Conte and Canny suggest.

During the BALCO investigation, Novitzky once asked a judge to approve a search warrant of computer files at a company called Comprehensive Drug Testing. The files were secret, the results of a trial run of dope tests conducted by Major League Baseball. The judge granted the warrant but with clear restrictions. Novitzky could not view any files until a computer-forensics expert had isolated the records of the few players Novitzky claimed were linked to BALCO, and then he was to view only those files.

Novitzky defied that order. He rooted out the files on all the players tested and took the list, an act the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit later called "unlawful." Other judges called it a "callous disregard for the rights of third parties" and "harassment."

The names of players found their way into selected newspapers.

I might have a little sympathy if this was not cheats complaining about other people breaking the rules. Cry me a river.

 

[JRTinMA]

Your facts also need an overhaul.

The Murdoch "family" own only 29% of the publicly issued and listed shares in News Corp..

Rupert Murdoch's personal holding would be significantly less. His family holding consists personal holdings, corporations and trusts relating to his centenarian mother (widow of the founder, Sir Keith Murdoch), 2 ex wifes, 1 current wife, and at least 5 children and their spouses.

Rupert Murdoch is not personally identified as a stockholder in the list of the top 20 stockholders in the A or B common stock as per the 2010 financial statements (page 99)

You may want to brush up on Common vs Preferred stock and what a holding company does.

 

[Race Radio]

Ramble

Oh, I get it. This is all just shtick. I didn't get it at first but once you linked Bungalow Bob's blog as a source I see you are just playing the part of the clueless fanboy. Had me going there.

Of course most people know by now that original subpoena called for all the names of Baseball players to be handed over. We also know that Novtizky had nothing to do with the leak.

 

[JRTinMA]

Race, is there anyplace you can point me so I can read the alleged leaks the LA lawyers are claiming? Is this a public document? If its just stuff about Floyd and Tyler and GH then its just lawyer posturing BS. If its significant to case process it could be anybody including the notorious leaky countries of France and Italy. In which case I don't think LA lawyers would even have a real claim, I assume our courts can't worry about leaks in France.

Anyway, is there a public filing?

 

[rata de sentina]

Yes, of course its the same guy.
CN has had a bug up its rear end about LA and now we see the posters here are simply water carriers for the bosses and editors.

Actually it is precisely the reverse of this. Your comment applies more accurately to your own situation. Excepting of course that the water has a lot of E. coli in it.

As this investigation unfolds, it's important to keep in mind that, on one level, it's not really about crime or indictments. It's about publicly shaming an athlete who Novitzky suspects has broken his covenant with the public.

You need to try a lot harder than this material.