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[Velodude]

unfortunately, only cheaters do business in Brazil... Soo.. yeah.. you is rigth.. perfect place for Lance do business hahahah

Here is place for a holiday .... If you come here, you will be duped by swindlers in many ways...

hard place to live!

Does Brazil now have in place an extradition treaty with the US?

Actually, I know that they have one in place but quirks can exist in those treaties. The famous Great Train robber, Ronald Biggs, could not be extradited to the UK cos there existed a clause in the treaty that forbid the extradition of a parent of a Brazilian child. Biggs had sowed his wild oats just in time.

LA may be contemplating adding to his offspring!

 

[MacRoadie]

Does Brazil now have in place an extradition treaty with the US?

Actually, I know that they have one in place but quirks can exist in those treaties. The famous Great Train robber, Ronald Biggs, could not be extradited to the UK cos there existed a clause in the treaty that forbid the extradition of a parent of a Brazilian child.

He should definitely choose Brazil over, say, Bolivia.

Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid will tell you things don't end so well for American outlaws holed up in Bolivia...

 

[Polish]

Bill Mitchell's last message on Cyclingnews before he was forced out by the avalanche of hate and harassment when he first dared to ask questions about the myth in 1999:

Comparing Lance Fans to the Ku Klux Klan and McCarthyism

Hmmmmmm, sounds a lot like this:

No Nissan, No Apple, No IBM, No Amgen.
No Michelob Ultra or Hotels by Sheraton.

.

I do not think we sound similiar at all...
Mr Mitchell = whiny and inappropriate hyperbole.
Polish = Lame Dr Suess impersonation

Lame does not equal whiny...

BTW, check out Cyclingnews.com and Livestrong.org numbers.
Very similiar.
Maybe some competition between the two going on?

http://siteanalytics.compete.com/cyclingnews.com+livestrong.org/

 

[MacRoadie]

I do not think we sound similiar at all...

No, you don't sound similar. I didn't say you did and I wouldn't offend Bill by doing so. Mitchell speaks with insight and intelligence. I would agree with you that your ramblings are best described as lame.

What I DID say was that your gleeful recitation of the sponsors that you are suggesting have left Cyclingnews at the behest of Armstrong is eerily similar to the tactic employed back in 1999.

How about you actually quote the corresponding parts:

Gosh, who IS advertising on the website?
No Nissan, No Apple, No IBM, No Amgen.
No Michelob Ultra or Hotels by Sheraton.

Equals:

And lately these nasty types have been trying to encourage my sponsors to stop supporting the site.

In fact, it matches exactly.

Lame would also apply to your latest "attempt" at obfuscation.

 

[Deagol]

I, personally, am glad not to see his mug on the side of the page in those FRS adds.

I think that those adds might have actually had a negative effect for the sponsors, at least here in the Clinic. I know I permanantly stopped considering Oakley purchases due to their association with LA, and especcially the McIlvain thing.

 

[Oldman]

Does Brazil now have in place an extradition treaty with the US?

Actually, I know that they have one in place but quirks can exist in those treaties. The famous Great Train robber, Ronald Biggs, could not be extradited to the UK cos there existed a clause in the treaty that forbid the extradition of a parent of a Brazilian child. Biggs had sowed his wild oats just in time.

LA may be contemplating adding to his offspring!

I think he and the train robber both will have had to bring money along with their semen...

 

[Berzin]

I, personally, am glad not to see his mug on the side of the page in those FRS adds.

I think that those adds might have actually had a negative effect for the sponsors, at least here in the Clinic. I know I permanantly stopped considering Oakley purchases due to their association with LA, and especcially the McIlvain thing.

But Livestrong is still an advertiser on this site. So what's the deal with that?

If Armstrong is indeed pulling sponsors, why is Livestrong still advertising on Cycling News?

Only 18 days left to join the fight against cancer!!! Team Livestrong Challenge Philly!!!

Register NOW!!!

 

[Deagol]

But Livestrong is still an advertiser on this site....

maybe someone else makes those decisions for Livestrong, at least?

I love the wording of that Livestrong add, like they are the only way to fight cancer..a monopoly of "hope".

 

[Polish]

But Livestrong is still an advertiser on this site. So what's the deal with that?

If Armstrong is indeed pulling sponsors, why is Livestrong still advertising on Cycling News?

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I think you are confusing the dot org and the dot com.
Common mistake here in the clinic.
But they are different you know.

 

[Polish]

No, you don't sound similar. I didn't say you did and I wouldn't offend Bill by doing so. Mitchell speaks with insight and intelligence. I would agree with you that your ramblings are best described as lame.

What I DID say was that your gleeful recitation of the sponsors that you are suggesting have left Cyclingnews at the behest of Armstrong is eerily similar to the tactic employed back in 1999.

How about you actually quote the corresponding parts:



Equals:



In fact, it matches exactly.

Lame would also apply to your latest "attempt" at obfuscation.

My "recitation" was not gleeful.
No smiley face or lol.

In fact, both Mitchell and I are LAMENTING the lack of advertising.
(Although I did not even notice any decline until in came up in this thread).

But times have changed.
It is not longer the fanboys that are driving business away.
It is the Haters. They are ruining cycling.

Why would an Oakley or a Nissan or an IBM or an Apple or Radioshack even want to advertize here?
Probably get boycotted by the haters sigh.

 

[Velodude]

I think you are confusing the dot org and the dot com.
Common mistake here in the clinic.
But they are different you know.

Intentional set up by Livestrong/LA/Demand Media. Here is noteworthy comment on the profitable "arrangement" for LA at FraudBytes:

Another thing that Lance has done with LiveStrong also looks shady to many people. He essentially took LiveStrong's name and sold it to a for-profit company so that there is now both a LiveStrong.org and LiveStrong.com on the internet. The ".com" site has nothing to do with cancer research. However, if you go there you will see the same yellow bracelets and a link to the Lance Armstrong Foundation at the top of the site.

It has been reported that Lance received millions from selling the LiveStrong name to a for-profit business entity. This is unprecedented from my knowledge in terms of an NPO selling their name to a for-profit business entity. It would be like United Way selling their name so when someone Googled them they would see both organizations and think both the .org and .com were involved in charity work. Or, imagine if the American Red Cross decided to create a new website called "AmericanRedCross.com" and sell the website. On the website they sold vitamins and other health products and used the same logos that the NPO uses. Shady stuff in my book...

In the end, I admit that much of what I'm saying is not clear evidence of any wrong doing with LiveStrong but it also isn't consistent with the organization being a super citizen that we can't afford to lose by prosecuting Lance. Maybe someone like 60 Minutes will get to the bottom of it and we'll see more clearly what's happening inside LiveStrong. In any case, I think the knee jerk reaction for many people is that since Lance is doing charity work, he must be a good guy and we ought to cut him some slack. My reaction to that is he wouldn't be the first fraudster who had people believing that line...Even Bernie Madoff had a stellar reputation in the Jewish community and on Wall Street.

LAF and Armstrong (including his company) received exactly the same consideration in share warrants from Demand Media for the perpetual exclusive rights to use the name "Livestrong" and for sale of "Livestrong.com".

No mention made on this transaction to LA's benefit in the published annual accounts of LAF.

The 2010 audited financial statements have not been published on LAF's website to date. Way, way overdue for transparency as they do exist.

 

[Anonymous]

He should definitely choose Brazil over, say, Bolivia.

Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid will tell you things don't end so well for American outlaws holed up in Bolivia...

It depends, do you want better hookers or do you want better blow?

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

It depends, do you want better hookers or do you want better blow?

Nicely done! Accurate, sarcastic, and pertinent. You may have hit the trifecta!

 

[mewmewmew13]

Charity? 400X$500 ea=one round trip of Gulfstream fuel.

HA! That is exactly what I was thinking.

 

[tockit]

Has there been any new news or rumours to come out of the Novitzky investigation ????

I haven't heard or read anything about it in a while.

Wondering if I might have missed something?

Anyone heard anything lately ???

 

[krebs303]

Has there been any new news or rumours to come out of the Novitzky investigation ????

I haven't heard or read anything about it in a while.

Wondering if I might have missed something?

Anyone heard anything lately ???

I think we can all agree on September 5th

 

[mewmewmew13]

I think we can all agree on September 5th

oh definitely september 5th.

 

[9000ft]

Hopefully it will go on an on and on so the officially interesting Lance Armstrong thread can go on and on and on. Keeps the real cycling fans out of trouble and off the streets.

 

[webvan]

From http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/9...renew-with-Team-RadioShack.aspx#ixzz1U20zTFoy

The extension news makes no mention of Levi Leipheimer, who has been racing under Bruyneel for several seasons. Relations are now understood to be tense between himself and Lance Armstrong, who has close ties to Bruyneel

So what's up between Levi and Lance, has he ratted him out or something?

 

[Berzin]

So what's up between Levi and Lance, has he ratted him out or something?

This was mentioned earlier in the thread. It seems that Leipheimer gave testimony to the Feds and Armstrong apparently found out about it. And if Levi told the truth, well, why else would there be a rift between these two?

Why sign Horner and Kloden and leave Leipheimer out in the cold? External pressure from Armstrong is the conjecture, which seems plausible given his behavior towards anyone who goes against him.

 

[Merckx index]

Michael Ball in CN:

Meanwhile, Ball added that he had not been part of any ongoing US investigation led by the FDA. It was reported last year that former professional Floyd Landis had worn a wire in a meeting with Ball in order for the investigators to obtain a warrant.

Asked if he was part of any investigation Ball replied: “There’s no legal action that I’m aware of. I’m so far from that and in such a different place. A lot of stuff for me in the press and the media is often overblown. There are a lot of haters out there and I was just too passionate about some things.”

With all the information that has come out recently from LA's former teammates, it's easy to forget that Novitsky's investigation began with Ball, and only turned to LA after Floyd confessed. I wonder if Novitsky has now dropped Ball completely or just put him on the back burner while he concentrates on LA. At one point last year he did have a warrant to search Ball's home or business, IIRC. If Ball is to be believed, nothing has come of this.

 

[mewmewmew13]

W/r to M Ball, it seems there would be no reason for him to disclose any legal activity or investigations that might involve him. He's a businessman and a hustler..it would be pointless and not at all in his favor to comment or give any indication of what is actually conspiring.

would it make sense to construe anything out of his comments?

 

[MacRoadie]

W/r to M Ball, it seems there would be no reason for him to disclose any legal activity or investigations that might involve him. He's a businessman and a hustler..it would be pointless and not at all in his favor to comment or give any indication of what is actually conspiring.

would it make sense to construe anything out of his comments?

His response is rather carefully worded:

“There’s no legal action that I’m aware of."

He doesn't say there is no or was no investigation, or that he has spoken to or was compelled to speak to investigators, only that there is no "legal action" that he is aware of. He's certainly aware of the FDA/IRS/FBI investigations, so those must not meet his definition of a "legal action".

By "legal action" I assume he means legal action against him. That may very well be an accurate statement, given it's rather narrow scope.


He certainly was questioned, and he's no stranger to law enforcement sniffing around (Mexican wife-shopping?), so it's really a matter of semantics.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

His response is rather carefully worded:



He doesn't say there is no or was no investigation, or that he has spoken to or was compelled to speak to investigators, only that there is no "legal action" that he is aware of. He's certainly aware of the FDA/IRS/FBI investigations, so those must not meet his definition of a "legal action".

By "legal action" I assume he means legal action against him. That may very well be an accurate statement, given it's rather narrow scope.


He certainly was questioned, and he's no stranger to law enforcement sniffing around (Mexican wife-shopping?), so it's really a matter of semantics.

Pretty much how I read his comments and that if indeed he has not been approached, he is a target and not a witness.

 

[goober]

Michael Ball in CN:



With all the information that has come out recently from LA's former teammates, it's easy to forget that Novitsky's investigation began with Ball, and only turned to LA after Floyd confessed. I wonder if Novitsky has now dropped Ball completely or just put him on the back burner while he concentrates on LA. At one point last year he did have a warrant to search Ball's home or business, IIRC. If Ball is to be believed, nothing has come of this.

Oh no.... Lance is the least of this... So many have it soooo wrong...