Official Lance Armstrong Thread **READ POST #1 BEFORE POSTING**

[Oldman]

I await a direct, on-topic response to this with baited breath.

While you're waiting you should get a breath mint. Real responses take some time if ever.

 

[Polish]

Because there aren't any?

Didn't we ask you like three weeks ago for a list of these so-called leaks? Or, at the very least, when the most recent pre-motion leak was?.

C'mon, we have discussed these leaks many times already.
Please to a search and get up to speed.

Leaks from "unnamed sources".
Sorry, don't know their names lol.

Leaks from "people close to the investigation".
Close close very close.

But the "Smoking Gun" leak for me is from the HUGE Sunday Times Front Page story that dimspace linked awhile back.

According to the Hog, it contained this quote:

""What is also clear is that fears about professional cyclists refusing to speak about their doping were misplaced. "The problem" said one source close to the investigation, "was not getting them to talk but to stop them from crying so they could continue talking"

The unnamed source "close to the investigation" sure sounds like Prosecution.
Not something that would come from Lance's Camp.
Not something that would come from a witness.

 

[Polish]

I await a direct, on-topic response to this with baited breath.

Do a Google Search on "Lance Armstrong Grand Jury"

Hundreds of thousands of articles/blogs/smears/etcetcetc.

How many are dated after the Motion was filed?
That are not discussing the motion itself?

Kind of scary.
300,000 google links in this last smear year.
0 since the motion was filed.
yikes.

 

[VeloCity]

C'mon, we have discussed these leaks many times already.
Please to a search and get up to speed.

Leaks from "unnamed sources".
Sorry, don't know their names lol.

Leaks from "people close to the investigation".
Close close very close.

But the "Smoking Gun" leak for me is from the HUGE Sunday Times Front Page story that dimspace linked awhile back.

According to the Hog, it contained this quote:



The unnamed source "close to the investigation" sure sounds like Prosecution.
Not something that would come from Lance's Camp.
Not something that would come from a witness.

A leak would involve substantial information, names, what they testified, and such.

"They couldn't talk because they were crying" is not, by any definition, a leak.

 

[mewmewmew13]

The young Belmondo would have made a good Lance. Not certain who I'd have play his mother.

Barbara Stanwyck when young....

 

[Cal_Joe]

A leak would involve substantial information, names, what they testified, and such.

"They couldn't talk because they were crying" is not, by any definition, a leak.

Actually, in a legal sense, it may very well be. For further reading -

http://www.justice.gov/atr/public/guidelines/206584.htm#IIA4

See the part about "Obligation on Government attorneys and support staff"

Don't know if there is a better link, but the source appears credible.

 

[Cimacoppi49]

Barbara Stanwyck when young....

Bette Davis with Joan Crawford as Frankie's wife, Betsy.

 

[Cimacoppi49]

A leak would involve substantial information, names, what they testified, and such.

"They couldn't talk because they were crying" is not, by any definition, a leak.

I think not. That would likely be a leak unless the person crying said he was crying or told another person that, like his lawyer or a friend.

 

[Cimacoppi49]

Do a Google Search on "Lance Armstrong Grand Jury"

Hundreds of thousands of articles/blogs/smears/etcetcetc.

How many are dated after the Motion was filed?
That are not discussing the motion itself?

Kind of scary.
300,000 google links in this last smear year.
0 since the motion was filed.
yikes.

Do you ever read what you've written before clicking submit reply? What are you really trying to say? Use the Google tools to search the past 24 hours and get back to us.

 

[MacRoadie]

C'mon, we have discussed these leaks many times already.
Please to a search and get up to speed.

Leaks from "unnamed sources".
Sorry, don't know their names lol.

Leaks from "people close to the investigation".
Close close very close.

But the "Smoking Gun" leak for me is from the HUGE Sunday Times Front Page story that dimspace linked awhile back.

According to the Hog, it contained this quote:



The unnamed source "close to the investigation" sure sounds like Prosecution.
Not something that would come from Lance's Camp.
Not something that would come from a witness.

So, as before, you have not a single iota of credible evidence to suggest that anyone other than a witness, never mind anyone required to maintain secrecy under Rule 6(e) of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure, is the source of any information regarding the grand jury or the criminal investigation.

I am up to speed. you know it and I know it. You just need a pathetic ad hominem to get your post beyond the nine words it WOULD contain if you simply answered directly: "I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT".

I like it better when you do the "link to Livestrong" obfuscation thing instead. At least that makes for some humorous reading.

And if:

"The problem" said one source close to the investigation, "was not getting them to talk but to stop them from crying so they could continue talking"

is the best you've got (as it seems to be the only direct quote you use over and over), then an observation of a witness' state of mind with no information about their direct testimony makes for one really poor leak.

No mention of what they testified to, what made them cry, nothing. Just a comment on them crying. Doesn't sound so "inside" to me. Sounds more like an "outsider": a secretary or clerk at best, who was asked to go to the rest room for some tissue.

Lots of wild speculation and inane guessing. As usual.

 

[MacRoadie]

Do you ever read what you've written before clicking submit reply? What are you really trying to say? Use the Google tools to search the past 24 hours and get back to us.

Never mind responding to delusions fabricated from whole cloth.

I'd love to see the size of the saddle on Polish's bike (if he/she actually rides one).

Based on the amount of pure **** he/she simply pulls out of his/her ***, that saddle must be huge.

 

[Polish]

Do you ever read what you've written before clicking submit reply? What are you really trying to say? Use the Google tools to search the past 24 hours and get back to us.

Did you read what I wrote:
"How many are dated after the Motion was filed?
That are not discussing the motion itself?"

Again, google "Lance Armstrong Grand Jury" and show me a story since the motion has been filed that discusses GJ details without mentioning the motion.

The stories have dried up.
Seems weird?

Before the motion....cache cache, Big George, blah blah blah...
After the motion...nothing but the motion itself.

 

[thehog]

That's the Lance effect right there. Even the Feds shut up shop when Lance comes to town.

Did you read what I wrote:
"How many are dated after the Motion was filed?
That are not discussing the motion itself?"

Again, google "Lance Armstrong Grand Jury" and show me a story since the motion has been filed that discusses GJ details without mentioning the motion.

The stories have dried up.
Seems weird?

Before the motion....cache cache, Big George, blah blah blah...
After the motion...nothing but the motion itself.

 

[MacRoadie]

Did you read what I wrote:
"How many are dated after the Motion was filed?
That are not discussing the motion itself?

Well, there's THIS one from five hours ago:

Feds Respond to Leak Allegations by Lance Armstrong’s Attorneys
And this one:

Feds reply to Armstrong leaks in sealed filing

They're about a different motion, so does that count?

Oh, and the Fed's filed their motion under seal. Unlike Armstrong...

P.S. Thanks for suggesting the Google search: I wouldn't have found that without you...

I especially like:

"Each leak has been designed to propagate public support for this investigation by smearing Armstrong and tarnishing his reputation," their initial filing stated. "The tactical nature of these leaks cannot be ignored as it strongly suggests an underlying partisanship inherent in government agents."

Must be required reading material for some in The Clinic.

 

[Velodude]

C'mon, we have discussed these leaks many times already.
Please to a search and get up to speed.

Leaks from "unnamed sources".
Sorry, don't know their names lol.

Leaks from "people close to the investigation".
Close close very close.

But the "Smoking Gun" leak for me is from the HUGE Sunday Times Front Page story that dimspace linked awhile back.

According to the Hog, it contained this quote:



The unnamed source "close to the investigation" sure sounds like Prosecution.
Not something that would come from Lance's Camp.
Not something that would come from a witness.

Polish, you are a glutton for punishment.

You raised the same argument on 20 July in this thread and ended up severely mauled.

Either you (or Fabiani) are working on the misconceived premise that persons external to the LA bunker have the memories of fishes

I suspect the Livestrong cabal has adopted the propaganda of Dr Joseph Goebbels, Hitler's sidekick, which has been paraphrased as: "The bigger the lie, the more it will be believed."

 

[Cal_Joe]

Polish, you are a glutton for punishment.

You raised the same argument on 20 July in this thread and ended up severely mauled.

Either you (or Fabiani) are working on the misconceived premise that persons external to the LA bunker have the memories of fishes

I suspect the Livestrong cabal has adopted the propaganda of Dr Joseph Goebbels, Hitler's sidekick, which has been paraphrased as: "The bigger the lie, the more it will be believed."

Congratulations!!! We have our Godwin's Law winner of the day!

One of the corollaries to Godwin's Law - "there is a tradition in many newsgroups and other Internet discussion forums that once such a comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever debate was in progress".

Whoops, by that corollary you are not a winner. But some kind of congratulations are in order for someone.

 

[MacRoadie]

Congratulations!!! We have our Godwin's Law winner of the day!

One of the corollaries to Godwin's Law - "there is a tradition in many newsgroups and other Internet discussion forums that once such a comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever debate was in progress".

Whoops, by that corollary you are not a winner. But some kind of congratulations are in order for someone.

Well, it is sometimes hard to avoid some reference when you are paraphrasing a man who "wrote the book" on propaganda. A "book" still widely read today.

ANY scholarly discussion on propaganda and cult of personality MUST include Goebbels, whether he was a Nazi, a Communist, a cleric, or activist, the ideology remains.

 

[MacRoadie]

While we're at it, how does this work?

Father
Upstanding community member
Cancer activist
Arts patron
Playboy?

 

[Cal_Joe]

Well, it is sometimes hard to avoid some reference when you are paraphrasing a man who "wrote the book" on propaganda. A "book" still widely read today.

ANY scholarly discussion on propaganda and cult of personality MUST include Goebbels, whether he was a Nazi, a Communist, a cleric, or activist, the ideology remains.

Sorry, LA did not write the book, but he sure learned well from those who did.

And that was the funniest line I have seen here in a while - possibly equating this thread to "scholarly discussion".

 

[MacRoadie]

Sorry, LA did not write the book, but he sure learned well from those who did.

And that was the funniest line I have seen here in a while - possibly equating this thread to "scholarly discussion".

I was merely pointing out that there was nearly a quater of the twentieth century affected by the german Nazi party, and that every single reference in an online discussion that peripherally references that socio-political phenomenon can't be dismissed as "Godwin's Law".

Maybe that subtlety was lost on you. That, and the fact that I was referring to Goebbels writing the book, not Armstrong (though the two are likely confused in many circles).

If every reference to prominent early twentieth century germans will prompt an invocation of Godwin's Law, let's stop talking about NASA since Wernher von Braun was a party member and developed the U2 rocket for Hitler.

Try looking beyond "Ooo, he said Nazi" and appreciate that there will be times when the most appropriate reference or authority on a subject just happens to be a less-than-desireable person. We do it all the time with Ferrari.

In fact, Godwin's law should have it's own law because it derails just as many threads.

 

[Velodude]

Congratulations!!! We have our Godwin's Law winner of the day!

One of the corollaries to Godwin's Law - "there is a tradition in many newsgroups and other Internet discussion forums that once such a comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever debate was in progress".

Whoops, by that corollary you are not a winner. But some kind of congratulations are in order for someone.

I find it impossible to be offended by a poster who holds Polish in awe for the deftness of exposing anti Lance posts.

Ducks fly with ducks, geese fly with geese.

 

[Cal_Joe]

I was merely pointing out that there was nearly a quater of the twentieth century affected by the german Nazi party, and that every single reference in an online discussion that peripherally references that socio-political phenomenon can't be dismissed as "Godwin's Law".

Maybe that subtlety was lost on you. That, and the fact that I was referring to Goebbels writing the book, not Armstrong (though the two are likely confused in many circles).

If every reference to prominent early twentieth century germans will prompt an invocation of Godwin's Law, let's stop talking about NASA since Wernher von Braun was a party member and developed the U2 rocket for Hitler.

In fact, Godwin's law should have it's own law because it derails just as many threads.

The references in your post were a bit unclear to me as to who you were referring to - my apologies. I agree with the rest of your post, but since this thread is hardly discussing socio-political phenomena, I believe Godwin's Law does apply to Velodude's post.

 

[mewmewmew13]

lance is trying to root out the weasels who have testified to the gj. He's going to make sure they never get to work in basement bike shops anywhere in the us.

lol!......

 

[Cimacoppi49]

While we're at it, how does this work?

Father
Upstanding community member
Cancer activist
Arts patron
Playboy?

Male Bimbo?

 

[Cal_Joe]

I find it impossible to be offended by a poster who holds Polish in awe for the deftness of exposing anti Lance posts.

Ducks fly with ducks, geese fly with geese.

No offense intended - did I not offer congratulations?

Too many folks here take Polish's posts quite literally. A lot of people here figured out a long time ago that he has the best "Internet Theater Of The Absurd" gig going.

Not quite sure what is going on with your birdwatching thing.