Official Lance Armstrong Thread **READ POST #1 BEFORE POSTING**

[Cimacoppi49]

Armstrong's team has no interest in anyone stemming the leaks, nor about the leaks themselves.

They're desperate for disclosure is so they can pillory any and all suspected leak sources. Obviously, the response is sealed because it will contain a list of all witnesses who have testified, and all persons within the prosecution who may have worked on the file.

Of course, the only reason to get the names of the persons in the AUSA's office is so you can try them publicly and attempt to smear the reputation of the attorneys and investigators. Hmmmmm....

BINGO!!! You are our winner! They know an indictment is imminent. They do indeed want to figure out who is lined up against them and what the Feds have, beyond the former teammates who they know have testified. Did the boys at Trek, Oakley and Nike sell him out, too. Has anyone from Livestrong.org testified to the grand jury yet? Have any bankers been called before the grand jury? They just don't want to wait for criminal discovery, plus as you note, the trial in the public eye has already begun--the more they can attack witnesses, the better off they think they will be. If you thought Greg Lemond did a number on you........ BOHICA, Lance. ( BOHICA is a medical school term--Bend Over. Here It Comes Again )

 

[powerste]

Armstrong's team has no interest in anyone stemming the leaks, nor about the leaks themselves.

They're desperate for disclosure is so they can pillory any and all suspected leak sources. Obviously, the response is sealed because it will contain a list of all witnesses who have testified, and all persons within the prosecution who may have worked on the file.

Of course, the only reason to get the names of the persons in the AUSA's office is so you can try them publicly and attempt to smear the reputation of the attorneys and investigators. Hmmmmm....

This is precisely the reason a judge, not Peters or the FABricator, should the be the one to determine whether the response stays sealed.

Straws over there...can't quite reach...if only...fingers were longer...maybe we could...grasp at them.

 

[Damiano Machiavelli]

When are the indictments going to come down? The grand jury must be reaching the end of its eighteen months if it has not already. I am tired of waiting.

 

[MarkvW]

BINGO!!! You are our winner! They know an indictment is imminent. They do indeed want to figure out who is lined up against them and what the Feds have, beyond the former teammates who they know have testified. Did the boys at Trek, Oakley and Nike sell him out, too. Has anyone from Livestrong.org testified to the grand jury yet? Have any bankers been called before the grand jury? They just don't want to wait for criminal discovery, plus as you note, the trial in the public eye has already begun--the more they can attack witnesses, the better off they think they will be. If you thought Greg Lemond did a number on you........ BOHICA, Lance. ( BOHICA is a medical school term--Bend Over. Here It Comes Again )

How does Lance's team "know an indictment is imminent?"

What distinguishes your post from the monotonous litany of "any day now" posts?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Armstrong's team has no interest in anyone stemming the leaks, nor about the leaks themselves.

They're desperate for disclosure is so they can pillory any and all suspected leak sources. Obviously, the response is sealed because it will contain a list of all witnesses who have testified, and all persons within the prosecution who may have worked on the file.

Of course, the only reason to get the names of the persons in the AUSA's office is so you can try them publicly and attempt to smear the reputation of the attorneys and investigators. Hmmmmm....

Correct - that is why I had a chuckle at Fabianis comments "Its' been very quiet".
It was a fishing expedition and the lawyers have little to show for all their billable hours.

The other notable conclusion from all of this is that the Feds did not say "what investigation" nor would they go to the effort of sealing it if their investigations were not fruitful.

 

[Anonymous]

So, after the stage today I understand Levi has reservations at Cache Cache. That should be fun.

 

[thehog]

Straws over there...can't quite reach...if only...fingers were longer...maybe we could...grasp at them.

Lol! Funniest thing I've read in a longtime. Bravo!

Ps why are you the fitness singles chic?

 

[Cimacoppi49]

How does Lance's team "know an indictment is imminent?"

What distinguishes your post from the monotonous litany of "any day now" posts?

1. I'm about to let you in on a secret of American Jurisprudence of which few outside the anointed members of the bar are aware. Every attorney, on admission to the Federal bar, is given a government issue Eight Ball. That Eight Ball will tell you when an indictment of your client is imminent. My Eight Ball says it is and Armstrong's counsel is getting the same info as I am getting.

If you don't have an Eight Ball you can still make an approximation based on experience. When attorneys for grand jury targets (my Eight Ball tells me Lance is a target) start making motions complaining about grand jury leaks, you know that they expect their client to be indicted imminently. When they demand apologies from national news networks, you can smell their desperation knowing an indictment is looming.

2. My posts are different because I have a Federal issue Eight Ball AND experience as an attorney AND I discuss Lance with friends who are former Assistant US Attorneys.

 

[Cimacoppi49]

So, after the stage today I understand Levi has reservations at Cache Cache. That should be fun.

Seriously, I wonder if the owner would give Levi a reservation.

 

[thehog]

1. I'm about to let you in on a secret of American Jurisprudence of which few outside the anointed members of the bar are aware. Every attorney, on admission to the Federal bar, is given a government issue Eight Ball. That Eight Ball will tell you when an indictment of your client is imminent. My Eight Ball says it is and Armstrong's counsel is getting the same info as I am getting.

If you don't have an Eight Ball you can still make an approximation based on experience. When attorneys for grand jury targets (my Eight Ball tells me Lance is a target) start making motions complaining about grand jury leaks, you know that they expect their client to be indicted imminently. When they demand apologies from national news networks, you can smell their desperation knowing an indictment is looming.

2. My posts are different because I have a Federal issue Eight Ball AND experience as an attorney AND I discuss Lance with friends who are former Assistant US Attorneys.

Makes you wonder why Lance just didn't get Floyd onto Radioshack.

Agree with your summation btw.

 

[mewmewmew13]

So, after the stage today I understand Levi has reservations at Cache Cache. That should be fun.

With Lance and Big George?

...a celebration of sorts...

 

[Polish]

Do you have any facts to support a linkage between your alleged silence of the smears and the Keker motion? I thought not.

Of course I have facts duh.

Even a first year law student appreciates the flawless TIMING and exquisite EFFECTIVENESS of the ingenious motion filed by Keker.
Beauty in motion.

Hey, were'nt you just saying the case is "very complex" and not to expect indicments until Christmas time.
But now you are saying the indictments are "imminent"?

How often do you shake that "Eight Ball" of yours?
Every day?

 

[Polish]

This would be if Lance himself were doing the casting. Joan the villainous female...


I might cast Katherine Hepburn as Betsy! *****.....independent...

John Goodman and Roseanne Barr.


You guessed it.
Greg and Betsy.
BraHa.
BraHaHa.
Just kidding, just kidding yikes

 

[Cimacoppi49]

Of course I have facts duh.

Even a first year law student appreciates the flawless TIMING and exquisite EFFECTIVENESS of the ingenious motion filed by Keker.
Beauty in motion.

Hey, were'nt you just saying the case is "very complex" and not to expect indicments until Christmas time.
But now you are saying the indictments are "imminent"?

How often do you shake that "Eight Ball" of yours?
Every day?

You don't have facts. As for imminent and what the word means, try

: ready to take place; especially : hanging threateningly over one's head <was in imminent danger of being run over>
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/imminent

From the point of view of speed with which criminal grand jury investigations proceed, anything before the 2012 Tour is imminent. And it's certainly hanging threateningly over the Uniballer's head.

I don't use my Eight Ball as much as I once did. BTW, the proper technique is not to shake it, but spin it as a good lawyer is trained to do.

 

[MarkvW]

1. I'm about to let you in on a secret of American Jurisprudence of which few outside the anointed members of the bar are aware. Every attorney, on admission to the Federal bar, is given a government issue Eight Ball. That Eight Ball will tell you when an indictment of your client is imminent. My Eight Ball says it is and Armstrong's counsel is getting the same info as I am getting.

If you don't have an Eight Ball you can still make an approximation based on experience. When attorneys for grand jury targets (my Eight Ball tells me Lance is a target) start making motions complaining about grand jury leaks, you know that they expect their client to be indicted imminently. When they demand apologies from national news networks, you can smell their desperation knowing an indictment is looming.

2. My posts are different because I have a Federal issue Eight Ball AND experience as an attorney AND I discuss Lance with friends who are former Assistant US Attorneys.

I think I understand your reasoning. The Attorneys are making their motions because Lance is about to be charged and we know that Lance is about to be charged because the attorneys are making their motions.

Whatever.

 

[Cobblestones]

Seriously, I wonder if the owner would give Levi a reservation.

I wonder whether they have booster seats.

 

[Oldman]

I wonder whether they have booster seats.

Odessa travels with one. She got tired of being pulled over by the State Patrol for not having the little one strapped in.

 

[MacRoadie]

Odessa travels with one. She got tired of being pulled over by the State Patrol for not having the little one strapped in.

It wasn't that, it was for driving alone in the car pool lane: they could only see one head through the back window...

 

[function]

1. I'm about to let you in on a secret of American Jurisprudence of which few outside the anointed members of the bar are aware. Every attorney, on admission to the Federal bar, is given a government issue Eight Ball. That Eight Ball will tell you when an indictment of your client is imminent. My Eight Ball says it is and Armstrong's counsel is getting the same info as I am getting.

If you don't have an Eight Ball you can still make an approximation based on experience. When attorneys for grand jury targets (my Eight Ball tells me Lance is a target) start making motions complaining about grand jury leaks, you know that they expect their client to be indicted imminently. When they demand apologies from national news networks, you can smell their desperation knowing an indictment is looming.

2. My posts are different because I have a Federal issue Eight Ball AND experience as an attorney AND I discuss Lance with friends who are former Assistant US Attorneys.

Do you have any facts to back up this position?

 

[peterst6906]

Do you have any facts to back up this position?

No. He only has keywords "experienced" and "former".

Unfortunately those are not "practicing" and "current".

What sounds better:

"experienced as an attorney" or
"practicing attorney"

and

"former Assistant US attorneys" or
"current Assistant US Attorneys"

Words say a lot.

Unfortunately, while he may be closer to the chopping block than many, previous work experience or internship doesn't mean much.

 

[Velodude]

Do you have any facts to back up this position?

Hasn't Cimacoppi49 presented the facts?

Consider yourself lucky you have been brought into his confidence.

 

[Cimacoppi49]

Tweet a Link to Lance

It's a movement in the making.
http://www.stfu.se/

 

[Merckx index]

Has this been posted? Seems to support the contention that a major purpose of the complaint about leaks was to try to find out exactly what the prosecution has.

http://news.yahoo.com/lawyers-battle-over-lance-armstrong-evidence-053147775.html

US federal prosecutors are asking a judge to prevent cyclist Lance Armstrong's lawyers from seeing documents which detail the grand jury case into allegations he used performance-enhancing drugs.

Prosecutors filed their request to federal judge Jacqueline Nguyen on Wednesday after Armstrong's lawyers asked to see details of the case against him.

Armstrong's lawyers filed a motion in July, claiming leaks in the grand jury inquiry have hurt the reputation of the seven-time Tour de France winner.

For more than a year, a grand jury in California has been probing claims the cyclist used performance-enhancing drugs during his run of Tour de France wins.

 

[powerste]

Ps why are you the fitness singles chic?

1. These days I'm really struggling to pick one cyclist I wold like to use.

2. I just always sort of snicker when I see her on here with that "Hey, wanna go riding, big boy?" look. Plus, she used to stalk me on bikely.com as well.

But with the new (completely pointless BTW) "Around the web" footer ads here on CN I am considering becoming "Biking in a skirt" chick...or maybe Blake Lively

 

[MacRoadie]

What sounds better:

"experienced as an attorney" or
"practicing attorney".

I'll take a former attorney with many years of experience over a practicing "baby lawyer" any day. Seems law schools prefer it too. Lots of "experienced" lawyers, no longer practicing law.

What sounds better:

"former Assistant US attorneys" or
"current Assistant US Attorneys".

Don't know, but both sound better than "random internet critic who's never even practiced law, but would rather attempt to discredit a poster than than provide a rational counterpoint to the opinion provided".

Curiously, whenever they need a learned commentator in the media to provide insight into leagal proceedings, they tend to prefer those "former" and "experienced" guys. They too, seem to still have their finger on the pulse of the legal community through these prior associations. Can't remember the last time a major, mainstream news organization cut away to seek expert commentary from the law student, rather than the professor...