Official Lance Armstrong Thread **READ POST #1 BEFORE POSTING**

[hrotha]

Fortunately she doesn't talk about his own doping causing cancer as being a fact but a probability.

(And she's probably talking about Fignon anyway)

 

[Angliru]

Ms. Jouanno has credibility, and I am sure she is a noble woman, with the best of intentions, however, until, as she insinuates that PEDs caused Mr. Armstrongs' cancer, she really does not have a pulpit to preach from.

It wasn't clear whether she was referring to Fignon or Armstrong and its more likely it was Fignon since he is quoted as stating he believes the use of PED'S were the cause of his cancer.

 

[Fausto's Schnauzer]

You are meaning me ? I am just adjusting to the niveau.
I just ignore you meaning me, while leading you to madame again for a while.
Yes, you are right. But thats not a new low. Kimmage still has lanterne rouge.
Madame is just another low I would say.


Well, I once told you that you Lance-haters would actually just look like Lance-lovers, if I would hate Lance.
Could you feel the great disturbance in the Force (tm) ?
You should watch and learn.

It's so frustrating that Google Translate doesn't recognize Cobblestonian.

 

[flicker]

It wasn't clear whether she was referring to Fignon or Armstrong and its more likely it was Fignon since he is quoted as stating he believes the use of PED'S were the cause of his cancer.

Could be with Fignon, Meaning PEDs causing Fignons cancer. It is also the opinion of many of my carpenter friends that cocaine caused the demise of many of their carpenter friends, many of the carpenters dying from cancer in their 30s. In their cases the cancer spread very quickly.
Since Fignon admitted to using cocaine and PEDs it could have been either or a combination of. Or it could have been genetic, or some stress, environmental, etc. Think of Anquentil dead in his 50s.

 

[thehog]

Could be with Fignon, Meaning PEDs causing Fignons cancer. It is also the opinion of many of my carpenter friends that cocaine caused the demise of many of their carpenter friends, many of the carpenters dying from cancer in their 30s. In their cases the cancer spread very quickly.
Since Fignon admitted to using cocaine and PEDs it could have been either or a combination of. Or it could have been genetic, or some stress, environmental, etc. Think of Anquentil dead in his 50s.

Lance loves his coke as well. I hope lap dances don't cause cancer.

 

[flicker]

Lance loves his coke as well. I hope lap dances don't cause cancer.

I don't believe that for a minute. Cocaine causes confusion and lack of focus.(See Boonens recent mechanical at PR) Cocaine users, Boonen, the ex-mayor of Washington DC, Lawrence Taylor, Charlie Sheen.
If Lance or Fignon did coke I am sure they have stopped by now.

 

[Fausto's Schnauzer]

If Lance or Fignon did coke I am sure they have stopped by now.

Well at least Fignon for sure.

News alert: Laurent Fignon, 12 August 1960 – 31 August 2010

 

[Cobblestoned]

It's so frustrating that Google Translate doesn't recognize Cobblestonian.

Uhhh, the language card.
How lame.

 

[patricknd]

Uhhh, the language card.
How lame.

consider the source.

 

[Polish]

I am a huge Armstrongs fan, I will always be as long as I live. I just dont understand why some people hate him? Raised by a poor woman working two jobs, has been through hell because of cancer, loses his job because of his illness, comes back after all that, wins 7 times. No matter race, age and country, millions of people with all kinds of difficulties remember this man and say to themselves " I shouldnt give up, there is hope" but still some have nothing but hate for this man, i dont get it.

I used to be an Armstrong fan. Up until the Simeoni chase down.
That was the turning point for me. Revealed Lance's true character.
Then all the profiting from cancer patients. Massive fraud.
And the way he treated Alberto.

Anyway, now I am an Alberto fan.
Bang bang

 

[BroDeal]

Ms. Jouanno has credibility, and I am sure she is a noble woman, with the best of intentions, however, until, as she insinuates that PEDs caused Mr. Armstrongs' cancer, she really does not have a pulpit to preach from.

No problem. We'll solve this on the field of honor. Ms. Jouanno, twelve time judo champion, versus Armstrong, cowardly d0uchebag who lies to people suffering from cancer. Truth will win out.

 

[Fausto's Schnauzer]

Uhhh, the language card.
How lame.

Perhaps you can repost your thoughts in a coherent manner. Honestly, I'm sure I'm not alone here in wondering what you were trying to communicate with that post.

 

[Granville57]

NPR radio interview

25:30 mark

Caller: "I’m a two-time cancer survivor and someone like Lance Armstrong, he may or may not have taken performance enhancing drugs, I don’t know, but for those of us that have fought cancer, he will always be an inspiration. That man literally got off a death bed, and he did something, whether or not it was helped along a little bit, who knows? But the point is, he succeeded. He’s alive and he did something nobody else has."

Q: And the inspiration that he’s given to so many millions...well...does that justify almost anything?

A: "Not justify almost anything but...let’s face it, who knows if he took drugs or not, or how much, or whatever? He still...the fact is: That man had a cancer that kills thousands, if not millions. And the fact that he was able to turn his life around and take that devastation and be able to win those races is amazing. It is an inspiration."


Bill Strickland: "I agree with her and I think a lot of people will agree with her."
<snip>
"The night before the story came out, I was exchanging messages with Floyd Landis who said, 'Be sure to give him his due. He was the greatest bike racer I ever saw.'"

"I think we should not forget that. In sporting terms and in terms of inspiration, he’s worth being admired for."

Perhaps this will explain that part in red

I don't remember those being the words used. I thought it was more like "he was one tough son of a ***** on a bike, he was a great bike racer"

I believe Floyd's words were : "He was a total badass on a bike".

But those are the words out of Bill Strickland’s mouth from the linked radio interview. He was self-censoring for the radio audience, but I think it’s noteworthy that he framed Floyd’s quote the way he did. Of course we know how Floyd communicates, but this was to an NPR audience who will take Strickland’s quote as “close enough.”

I was originally trying to convey Strickland's intended message, and the whole thing was getting a bit wordy, but this is the verbatim transcript of his quote:

"The night before the story came out, I was exchanging messages with Floyd Landis who said, 'Be sure to give him his due. He’s uh'—Floyd used an expletive which I won’t repeat but he basically said—'He was the greatest bike racer I ever saw.'"

That little caveat that he threw in would go completely unnoticed by most. But he’s on national radio and his description of Floyd’s quote only creates more of a shimmer around Lance for people like the woman who called in. It’s all there, and the audio file allows you to fast forward to the quoted part.

Strickland’s closing remark shows that he is still enamored with his hero.
Was the seven-in-a-row run at the TdF an awesome display of athletic domination? Sure. Hard to argue that point.

Is it right to admire him for it “in sporting terms”? Uhhhh...I would probably put it a bit differently, myself.

 

[Oldman]

But those are the words out of Bill Strickland’s mouth from the linked radio interview. He was self-censoring for the radio audience, but I think it’s noteworthy that he framed Floyd’s quote the way he did. Of course we know how Floyd communicates, but this was to an NPR audience who will take Strickland’s quote as “close enough.”

I was originally trying to convey Strickland's intended message, and the whole thing was getting a bit wordy, but this is the verbatim transcript of his quote:

"The night before the story came out, I was exchanging messages with Floyd Landis who said, 'Be sure to give him his due. He’s uh'—Floyd used an expletive which I won’t repeat but he basically said—'He was the greatest bike racer I ever saw.'"

That little caveat that he threw in would go completely unnoticed by most. But he’s on national radio and his description of Floyd’s quote only creates more of a shimmer around Lance for people like the woman who called in. It’s all there, and the audio file allows you to fast forward to the quoted part.

Strickland’s closing remark shows that he is still enamored with his hero.
Was the seven-in-a-row run at the TdF an awesome display of athletic domination? Sure. Hard to argue that point.

Is it right to admire him for it “in sporting terms”? Uhhhh...I would probably put it a bit differently, myself.

More physically, intellectually and morally talented American riders opted out of the path Mr. Armstrong, the defendant; chose to pursue.

 

[Benotti69]

Perhaps you can repost your thoughts in a coherent manner. Honestly, I'm sure I'm not alone here in wondering what you were trying to communicate with that post.

Cobbeldy is not here to communicate

 

[skippythepinhead]

Well, if a "cancer survivor" calls in to a radio show and says it's OK to cheat to win, then that's all I need. Wait, I have a cancer survivor here in my house who isn't reading from a Livestrong script. She says the investigation can continue, and I quote (from a past conversation): "I hope they nail him to the wall."

I'm so conflicted.

 

[Cobblestoned]

Cobbeldy is not here to communicate

I try, but it is not easy when the club decides which posts stay and which not, while just getting attacked here and there without substance, and you report each of my posts.

Thats the way of keeping discussions on track into "right" direction.

I know that some of my posts were hammer on nail, when they are not answered and silence appears - or they are just deleted COMPLETELY, without any clarification. So nothing changed. Club has control in clinic.
But since you are free to do whatever you want here - have much fun discussing.
See ya in raceforum. Clinic holiday again now. Nothing changed.
And I won't waste anymore time to deliver good and accurate posts (I admit, not all of them are), or opinions, that then are just deleted completely without any sense - just because they were too good and accurate.
Nothing new here. Censorship and agenda works great.

Have fun by talking, echoing and fumbling each other, dear clubmembers.

 

[Race Radio]

I try, but it is not easy when the club decides which posts stay and which not, while just getting attacked here and there without substance, and you report each of my posts.

Thats the way of keeping discussions on track into "right" direction.

I know that some of my posts were hammer on nail, when they are not answered and silence appears - or they are just deleted COMPLETELY, without any clarification. So nothing changed. Club has control in clinic.
But since you are free to do whatever you want here - have much fun discussing.
See ya in raceforum. Clinic holiday again now. Nothing changed.
And I won't waste anymore time to deliver good and accurate posts (I admit, not all of them are), or opinions, that then are just deleted completely without any sense - just because they were too good and accurate.
Nothing new here. Censorship and agenda works great.

Have fun by talking, echoing and fumbling each other, dear clubmembers.

Few would describe your suggestion that Chantal Jouanno be gang raped because she said Armstrong doped as "Good and accurate"

 

[Fausto's Schnauzer]

Few would describe your suggestion that Chantal Jouanno be gang raped because she said Armstrong doped as "Good and accurate"

And since you're likely lurking today dear Mr. C-stoned, having been given a temporary posting hiatus, perhaps you can spend some time re-reading your post pasted below. Maybe, just maybe when you return you could enlighten us on what the hell it's supposed to mean.

You are meaning me ? I am just adjusting to the niveau.
I just ignore you meaning me, while leading you to madame again for a while.
Yes, you are right. But thats not a new low. Kimmage still has lanterne rouge.
Madame is just another low I would say.


Well, I once told you that you Lance-haters would actually just look like Lance-lovers, if I would hate Lance.
Could you feel the great disturbance in the Force (tm) ?
You should watch and learn.

 

[Hugh Januss]

And since you're likely lurking today, having been given a temporary posting hiatus, perhaps you can spend some time re-reading your post pasted below. Maybe, just maybe when you return you could enlighten us on what the hell it's supposed to mean.

It means he's hired Daotec as a ghost writer?

 

[skippythepinhead]

Anyhow--Does anyone know enough about "Bicycling" to know whether there's an intern or janitor who could be entrusted with Strickland's tear-stained notes for the day and a half it would take to do the work he's had on "ignore" for the past 14 years?

 

[Digger]

And since you're likely lurking today, having been given a temporary posting hiatus, perhaps you can spend some time re-reading your post pasted below. Maybe, just maybe when you return you could enlighten us on what the hell it's supposed to mean.

You are meaning me ? I am just adjusting to the niveau.
I just ignore you meaning me, while leading you to madame again for a while.
Yes, you are right. But thats not a new low. Kimmage still has lanterne rouge.
Madame is just another low I would say.


Well, I once told you that you Lance-haters would actually just look like Lance-lovers, if I would hate Lance.
Could you feel the great disturbance in the Force (tm) ?
You should watch and learn.

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[mewmewmew13]

Few would describe your suggestion that Chantal Jouanno be gang raped because she said Armstrong doped as "Good and accurate"

Hey Cobbledy, I will listen to your usual stuff with an open mind, even if I disagree, but your post was offensive and you should be able to see that. Get real....

 

[Dallas_]

Novitzky investigative seeds

From thread - Italy: "After the storm, the Tsunami." hrotha post #78

this link http://www.youkioske.com/prensa-deportiva/la-gazzetta-dello-sport-15-aprile-2011/

From - page 31, Google translate gives

"On the fourth floor of the Public Prosecutor of Padua is the office of the PM Benedict Roberti, the magistrate-amateur cyclist who for three years leading the investigation of doping in Italy hottest."

"Roberti also another commission coordinating the international working group looking Chesta evidence of possible doping by Lance Armstrong. Remember? Afina July, at the headquarters of Interpol in Lyon, sat Jeff Novitzky, the agent of the Federal Food and Drug Administration , Interpol, the Spanish Guardia Civil, the French police, Roberti and his loyal officers of the Carabinieri and Finance Padova Nas of Florence: Historical minds of the battle against doping in Italy."

"The Americans have asked for help to gather evidence against Armstrong, the Europeans have focused on finding useful information to the international ramifications of doping. The two strands come together in the figure of Michele Ferrari, the preparer of the Texan town and its teams"


Novitzky, last seen doing the Toyota jump.
.

 

[Cobblestoned]

Hey Cobbledy, I will listen to your usual stuff with an open mind, even if I disagree, but your post was offensive and you should be able to see that. Get real....

Thank you, but anyway, you should read that.

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=490766&postcount=856